Indonesia Defence Forum

[kingwazzuu]

we already had tarantula for fire support. The most concern for ground forces is to adding more helicopter like Apache, Mi 17, Bell 412 EP and maybe chinook, adding more IFV like marder 1A3, adding more artillery like CESAR and Kh 179 and MLRS like grad or astros2.



not that really, to catching illegal fishing and terrorists is domain of Police forces

Polair / Water police has only small coastal patrol ships. Thus, catching illegal fishing will likely involve bigger Navy ships.

 

[nufix]

Polair / Water police has only small coastal patrol ships. Thus, catching illegal fishing will likely involve bigger Navy ships.

thats why we need an integrated coast guard, working hand in hand with BAKORKAMLA and local government guardsmen, you group them together and there you have a big number of patrol ships

Bah! Money should be spent on Social program like the Universal Healthcare Program that will start next year.

Indonesia tries its hand at universal health care | Marketplace.org

Our citizens will need it more than our Armed forces.

healthcare where everyone gets free medicament and treatment is a fantasy and more burden to national budget. What government should do is forcing everybody to buy a life time health plan from any insurance company, especially the one that offers relatively cheap monthly payment. Like Germany do. Health can be commercialized through a good cooperation between government-hospitals-insurance company, but can military be commercialized? No, they only depend on the national yearly budget.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

healthcare where everyone gets free medicament and treatment is a fantasy and more burden to national budget. What government should do is forcing everybody to buy a life time health plan from any insurance company, especially the one that offers relatively cheap monthly payment. Like Germany do. Health can be commercialized through a good cooperation between government-hospitals-insurance company, but can military be commercialized? No, they only depend on the national yearly budget.

Don't you think I know that already. Beside most are already covered in an insurance scheme, I think.

Free healthcare overwhelming Indonesia's Papua

The point is Social program should be prioritized over defense. Taking care of the citizens need will help the country in the long run.

 

[Zarvan]

Don't you think I know that already. Beside most are already covered in an insurance scheme, I think.



The point is Social program should be prioritized over defense. Taking care of the citizens need will help the country in the long run.

Yes and in war this doesn't help Sir defense and social program go hand in hand and the region you live in its the main war zone in upcoming years and if you want to get bombed and want you to be able to do nothing in return than yes don't spend on defense but at least I don't want my Muslim brothers to face that May ALLAH help you in every thing you do but focus on defence

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yes and in war this doesn't help Sir defense and social program go hand in hand and the region you live in its the main war zone in upcoming years and if you want to get bombed and want you to be able to do nothing in return than yes don't spend on defense but at least I don't want my Muslim brothers to face that May ALLAH help you in every thing you do but focus on defence

You forgot to put if in your comment.

 

[Zero_wing]

Still in the prototype stage...



I don't know if it even been tested...

Man well it looks great since you guys have tanks and armored tech from Germany (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH & Co. KG and Rheinmetall) i though you guys were already building but non the less i can see you guys will be just like Britain, France, Germany etc for asian maybe you would be even called ASEAN's Arsenal if you guys keep this up.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Man well it looks great since you guys have tanks and armored tech from Germany (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH & Co. KG and Rheinmetall) i though you guys were already building but non the less i can see you guys will be just like Britain, France, Germany etc for asian maybe you would be even called ASEAN's Arsenal if you guys keep this up.

There's already plan for an "ASEAN Arsenal" Don't know what the hell happened to it exactly, but here's a link: http://www.rsis.edu.sg/publications/Perspective/RSIS2322012.pdf

BRIDEX 2013: Brunei Orders 4 Anoas?
Posted on December 6, 2013 by hafizuddinsulaiman
Indonesian media reports said that Brunei is ordering four PT PINDAD built APS-3 Anoa 6×6 Armoured Personnel Carrier. The announcement was made by the representative of Indonesia’s Minister of Defence, Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin during his visit to BRIDEX 2013. (here)

It has been reported by the Jakarta Post on September 2, 2011, that Brunei is set to purchase 35 Anoas from PT PINDAD.

The report quoting Indonesian Defence Ministry spokesman Sr Comr Hartind Asrin said Brunei ‘s first purchase would comprise 15 units of Pindad’s 6×6 Anoa panzers.

The APC vehicle participated in the land demonstration during BRIDEX 2011 held in July.



The Brunei government has also expressed interests in purchasing weapons including SS2 assault rifles but has decided to test them first, said Hartind.

BRIDEX 2013: Brunei Orders 4 Anoas? | malaysiaflyingherald

BRIDEX 2013: IAe Promotes CN-235-220 PATMAR and CN-295
Posted on December 6, 2013 by hafizuddinsulaiman
Realising the fact that TUDB is one its ASEAN operators for the CN-235 transport aircraft, the Indonesian Aerospace (IAe) has flown in to if its new products namely the CN-235-220 PATMAR maritime patrol aircraft and the CN-295 tactical transport aircraft to Brunei, both of which are being produced in its facility in Bandung, Indonesia, as part of its effort to promote the two aircraft to this country.



The CN-295 which participate in the event is operated by TNI-AU’s SkU 2 “Kuda Terbang” at Halim Perdanakusuma AFB while the CN-235-220 PATMAR is one of those currently operated by TNI-AL’s DISNERBAL squadron, RON 800. This is the first time the PATMAR made its appearance in international event.



“We hope that the quality aircraft that we produce will be able to cater the need of the Royal Brunei Armed Forces,’’ said Budi Santoso, the President Director of IAe.

He explained that during the surveillance activity, the aircraft that can carry a maximum air load capacity of 5.8 tonnes, usually has two sets of air crew comprising 10 to 12 personnel on board.


IAe CN-235-220 PATMAR

CN-235-220 PATMAR is being promoted as the platform which assume the role of border and maritime resource protection, fishery survey, anti-smuggling, and immigration control as well as detecting suspicious activities on rugged and inaccessible land border.

BRIDEX 2013: IAe Promotes CN-235-220 PATMAR and CN-295 | malaysiaflyingherald

 

[Thunder.sea]

An Indonesian soldier, Chief Sgt Wandi Ahmad was shot by a group of armed civilians on Thursday in Papua, Antara news agency reported.

Wandi was shot in the head when he was on duty in the regency of Puncak Jaya at 10 a.m. local time, and right now was hospitalized at the Army Hospital Marthen Indey in Jayapura, said Cendrawasih Military Command spokesman Col. Lismer Lumban Siantar.

Besides Wandi, a driver by the name of David was shot to dead and his car was set on fire by the shooters.

Lismer said that right now a team of detectives had been deployed to hunt the shooters.

Papua remains a hot spot with separatist rebels still hiding in the mountain jungles of Indonesia's easternmost province, which is also underdeveloped.

Papua is our Big Problem

Indonesian soldier shot in Papua | The Jakarta Post

 

[nufix]

An Indonesian soldier, Chief Sgt Wandi Ahmad was shot by a group of armed civilians on Thursday in Papua, Antara news agency reported.

Wandi was shot in the head when he was on duty in the regency of Puncak Jaya at 10 a.m. local time, and right now was hospitalized at the Army Hospital Marthen Indey in Jayapura, said Cendrawasih Military Command spokesman Col. Lismer Lumban Siantar.

Besides Wandi, a driver by the name of David was shot to dead and his car was set on fire by the shooters.

Lismer said that right now a team of detectives had been deployed to hunt the shooters.

Papua remains a hot spot with separatist rebels still hiding in the mountain jungles of Indonesia's easternmost province, which is also underdeveloped.

Papua is our Big Problem

Indonesian soldier shot in Papua | The Jakarta Post

Maybe we should rain them some fire power and shower them some artillery shells and send them 45.000 soldiers like we did to GAM.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Maybe we should rain them some fire power and shower them some artillery shells and send them 45.000 soldiers like we did to GAM.

Mau digigit ama HAM lg?

Papua problem lies in the social not military. When Jakarta finally decide to get serious on developing the Region most of this attack will stop.

Begini2 saya pendukung integrasi papua mas.

 

[nufix]

Mau digigit ama HAM lg?

Papua problem lies in the social not military. When Jakarta finally decide to get serious on developing the Region most of this attack will stop.

Begini2 saya pendukung integrasi papua mas.

HAM? did you ever wonder why HAM thingies aren't really working on us?

Papua problem lies in the social not military.

Oh but they aren't, separatism isn't even similar to terrorism which can be handled through increasing personal welfare. Take GAM for example, of course they said that socio-economic condition of their present conditions at that time was the reason for them to pick arms. But what happened when the Gov was trying to award a peaceful solution like full autonomy? They rejected, they turn down the offer and turn to their leader Hasan di Tiro who resided abroad.

You see, the nature of separatism is not always about food or welfare of the people, but merely a will of one guy to take the power for himself, and the people will always believe to the guy who offer the best hope, especially a guy from their own homeland, regardless the actual reality.

And then ex-Pres. Megawati showered them with firepower until Tsunami brought utter destructions to their homeland. At that point, they were helpless, hopeless and found the truth that the so called GAM couldn't do much to help them. They realized that it is better to stick with Indonesia and accept the offer.

The point is; What we should do is to offer these Papuans peaceful solution like full autonomy with guns pointed at them, because the nature of human being is this, One may not be able to find out who he needs the most, until he feels his helpless-ness. These papuan rebels should be taught a lesson of being helpless until they agree to our conducts. Simple as that.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

HAM? did you ever wonder why HAM thingies aren't really working on us?



Oh but they aren't, separatism isn't even similar to terrorism which can be handled through increasing personal welfare. Take GAM for example, of course they said that socio-economic condition of their present conditions at that time was the reason for them to pick arms. But what happened when the Gov was trying to award a peaceful solution like full autonomy? They rejected, they turn down the offer and turn to their leader Hasan di Tiro who resided abroad.

You see, the nature of separatism is not always about food or welfare of the people, but merely a will of one guy to take the power for himself, and the people will always believe to the guy who offer the best hope, especially a guy from their own homeland, regardless the actual reality.

And then ex-Pres. Megawati showered them with firepower until Tsunami brought utter destructions to their homeland. At that point, they were helpless, hopeless and found the truth that the so called GAM couldn't do much to help them. They realized that it is better to stick with Indonesia and accept the offer.

The point is; What we should do is to offer these Papuans peaceful solution like full autonomy with guns pointed at them, because the nature of human being is this, One may not be able to find out who he needs the most, until he feels his helpless-ness. These papuan rebels should be taught a lesson of being helpless until they agree to our conducts. Simple as that.

What about Aceh? After the armistice the rest of the GAM upper echelon decided to work for Indonesia by joining the Aceh Autonomy. Of course there will be a few stubborn straggler that will pose a nuisance to the Republic. The solution is to find a compromise that the rebel might find pleasing and work on it.

 

[nufix]

What about Aceh? After the armistice the rest of the GAM upper echelon decided to work for Indonesia by joining the Aceh Autonomy. Of course there will be a few stubborn straggler that will pose a nuisance to the Republic. The solution is to find a compromise that the rebel might find pleasing and work on it.

yep, that is the point, because they were losing their popularity among the people who had seen violence for more than 3 decades and in need of help after the Tsunami. They would be risking themselves by being stubbornheads anyway.

You see, people will accept and work a job that suits them the most, but until we arrive at that point, people should be "enlightened" a bit.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

yep, that is the point, because they were losing their popularity among the people who had seen violence for more than 3 decades and in need of help after the Tsunami. They would be risking themselves by being stubbornheads anyway.

You see, people will accept and work a job that suits them the most, but until we arrive at that point, people should be "enlightened" a bit.

By gunning them down, what kind of example we'll be setting then? The unity of the republic is worth killing, but it should not be used too readily & too often.

I prefer to build school, hospital, road, sanitation facility & other infrastructure needed for functioning society. Then the rebel leaders will find difficulty finding recruits to their cause.

 

[nufix]

By gunning them down, what kind of example we'll be setting then? The unity of the republic is worth killing, but it should not be used too readily & too often.

I do not specify the actions that should be taken by Indonesia in order to deal with Papuan rebels, i just took an example from the actions that Indonesia finally took which ended the long lasted GAM movement. But if you ask me what is the alternative,,, well, systematic famine and covert man made disaster could be a start, after all such cases already happened so we don't have to work it too hard to make them look like natural disasters.

When the people of papua gather a big masses and start to make the situation worst, there you have your reason to send thousands of soldiers. We don't have to bother about being accussed of HAM infringement. Because we send them "peace" along with the march of our soldiers.

I prefer to build school, hospital, road, sanitation facility & other infrastructure needed for functioning society. Then the rebel leaders will find difficulty finding recruits to their cause.

Unlike Terrorists that attack specific targets in order to spread their messages and demands which don't involve giving away landmass of a country, Separatism is more than that. Their demand is sovereignity, their goal is not to hurt certain people, but to hurt the country they are combatting. And what is more hurting to a country other than having its infrastructure destroyed, its people scared, its economy stumbled? Giving them more infrastructures more than it should be before having them surrendered is like giving facilities to a bunch of vandals, to be destroyed over and over again.

Now if we are talking about bringing tons of infrastructure to a separatist's territories in order to win their people's heart and mind, we have done that already in East Timor and the question is, why am I not seeing our flag in East Timor besides the one above our embassy building in Dili?