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Indonesia to buy 42 Rafale jets as it boosts ties with France​

Paris is looking to expand geopolitical relations in Indo-Pacific after Australia scrapped a multibillion-dollar deal.

The Rafale aircraft, which is made by Dassault Aviation, entered service in 2004 [File: Stefanos Kouratzis/Reuters]

Published On 10 Feb 202210 Feb 2022

Indonesia has agreed to buy six Rafale fighter jets produced by French manufacturer Dassault Aviation, with the acquisition of 36 more on the way, the governments of the two countries said.

“It’s official: Indonesia orders 42 Rafales,” French Defence Minister Florence Parly said in a Twitter post during a visit to Indonesia on Thursday.

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The two countries signed a series of agreements that also include submarine development and ammunition manufacturing.

Parly said the “strategic partnership will benefit from the deepening of our defence relations”, adding that France was proud to contribute to the modernisation of armed forces within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

For his part, Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto told a news conference: “We started this today with the signing of a contract for six aircraft, to be followed soon with another for 36 with necessary support and simulators.”


Dassault Aviation said the announcement marked the start of a long-term partnership and would allow it to rapidly step up its presence in Indonesia. Its shares climbed about 4 percent on news of the agreement.

The deal comes as France seeks to expand geopolitical ties in the Indo-Pacific, with Indonesia becoming the second country in the region – after India – to acquire the aircraft.

It also follows Australia’s decision last year to cancel a multibillion-dollar submarine deal with France in favour of a new strategic alliance with the United States and the United Kingdom, called AUKUS, that includes nuclear-powered submarines.

Indonesia has expressed concern about AUKUS, wary that the use of such submarines could add to geopolitical tensions in Southeast Asia, a region where China has considerable clout.

Indonesian President Joko Widodo said he hoped the partnership with France would not be limited to munition purchases but include joint production, technological transfer, and investment in defence industries.

The Rafale aircraft, which entered service in 2004, has proved popular in the international market despite competition from the US and other European manufacturers.

The United Arab Emirates signed the biggest-ever deal for the jets in December to buy 80 aircraft for $19bn, while its other foreign clients include Croatia, Egypt, Greece and Qatar.

Indonesia to buy 42 Rafale jets as it boosts ties with France

Paris looking to expand geopolitical relations in Indo-Pacific after Australia scrapped a multibillion-dollar deal.

www.aljazeera.com

 

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42 Rafale! Indonesia chooses French industrial excellence! The know-how of the more than 400 French companies and thousands of workers who design the Rafale is recognized. In the Indo-Pacific, this new step strengthens our partnerships.

 

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Breaking: The US State Department approves Indonesia's planned purchase of the F-15EX!
February 10, 2022 / by Author admin

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – An Airspace Review source in Jakarta said the United States Department of State (Department of Foreign Affairs) has approved the Indonesian government's plan to purchase Boeing F-15EX Eagle II fighter jets .

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at noon United States time (evening Indonesian time), the US Department of Foreign Affairs plans to submit the approval to the Defense and Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) for notification to the United States Congress.



It is estimated that this week or next week at the latest, the DSCA will announce this on its website.

Previously, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia had stated that Jakarta chose to acquire Rafale fighter jets from France and F-15EX from the United States.


On January 20, when asked by reporters after the Defense Ministry's Leadership Meeting (Rapim), Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto said that the development of the acquisition of the Rafale jet from France had progressed and it was just a matter of activating the contract. Meanwhile, the F-15EX is still in the negotiation stage.



Today in Jakarta (10/2/2022), during a meeting between the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly and Prabowo Subianto, the Indonesian government has signed the purchase of 42 units of Rafale made by Dassault Aviation.

The signing of the contract was carried out by the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, with the Head of the Defense Facilities Agency (Kabaranahan) of the Ministry of Defense, Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, witnessed by Florence Parly and Prabowo Subianto.

According to data from sources, the Indonesian Ministry of Defense previously submitted a plan to purchase 24 F-15EXs to the Ministry of National Development Planning/Bappenas.

However, the exact amount submitted by Indonesia to the US government to be purchased, AR sources do not know for sure.

The good news is, if Jakarta is finally granted permission by the US to acquire the F-15EX, then Indonesia will become the first user country of the F-15EX outside the United States.

-admin-

so guys, we got two incoming birds!
cheers everyone

 

[Indos]

Just sick to read Ananda Anti KF21 posts in other forum (DT), the reason he supports Rafale acquisition is because he wants Indonesia participation in KF 21/IFX program death, just see how he said over and over again about KF21 program is 50:50 and wants Indonesian Air Force just stick on the Rafale and let go KF21/IFX program. He still tries to go against the program even until this 2022 year.....

That guy is even not go against crazy 140 billion USD Prabowo defense acquisition plan for just over 5 years period, which is AlhamduliLLAH is not realized since it can kill our local defense industry growth. I still remember how he as finance person try to show some financial route to accomplish that crazy plan that will harm Indonesia long term ambition to be independence in defense acquisition program.

This must be because he hates Indonesia participation in KF 21 program, which I also find in some Indonesian people (very tiny minority) for what ever reason. The clue thing maybe due to Singapore connection. He was in support of Singapore when I debate about Indonesia vs Singapore for future possible military clash and defense industry comparison.

I cannot debate with him anymore there since I get permanent banned by Moderator (New Zealand and Singaporean Moderator) despite what I said is not against forum rule and has been proven true so many times like the acquisition of Russian Naval gun, and others

Well, he said KF 21 cannot give political points for Jokowi because he said the result cannot be seen in Jokowi term. Look like he doesnt know that Indonesia will get the fifth prototype of KF21/IFX inshaAllah soon, the fourth prototype for instant has already been assembled and look like will be completed soon. April roll out in 2021 is already a result of KF21/IFX program. We can see Indonesian people support if we see the comment section of KF21 related news in mainstream media like CNBC Indonesia.

The EMD phase is also started during Jokowi period, since Jokowi comes to power in 2014 while EMD phase started in 2015, including the deal between Indonesian and Korea was done during Jokowi period to start EMD phase. Jokowi will also be remembered as President who stay and commit with long term R&D program despite the start of the program was in SBY period ( 2009-MOU, 2011 contract for first phase )

The fifth prototype for Indonesia will be delivered to Indonesia and tested by Indonesian engineers and Indonesian test pilot in Indonesian Aerospace inshaAllah. The delivery will likely happen within Jokowi period, the most possible time is in 2023, just when the political domestic scene will be quite hot since it will be a campaign period for 2024 Presidential election where the first voting will happen in the month of February.

Even Jokowi present in KF21/IFX roll out ceremony in April 2021 through teleconference has already given him some political score that will improve people support toward him.

 

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Indonesia – F-15ID Aircraft​

PDF Version

Press Release - Indonesia 22-13 CN.pdf

Media/Public Contact

pm-cpa@state.gov

Transmittal No

22-13

WASHINGTON, February 10, 2022 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Indonesia of F-15ID Aircraft and related equipment for an estimated cost of $13.9 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Indonesia has requested to buy up to thirty-six (36) F-15ID aircraft; eighty-seven (87) F110-GE-129 or F100-PW-229 engines (72 installed, 15 spares); forty-five (45) AN/APG-82(v)1 Advanced Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radars (36 installed, 9 spares); forty-five (45) AN/ALQ-250 Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability Systems (EPAWSS) (36 installed, 9 spares); forty-eight (48) Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II digital computers (36 installed, 12 spares); eighty (80) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) (72 installed, 8 spares); ninety-two (92) Embedded Global Positioning Systems (GPS)/Inertial Navigation System (EGI) security devices; forty (40) AN/AAQ-13 LANTIRN navigation pods (36 installed, 4 spares); forty (40) AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) (36 installed, 4 spares); one hundred fifty-six (156) LAU-128 launchers (144 installed, 12 spares); and forty (40) M61A “Vulcan” gun systems (36 installed, 4 spares). Also included are Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation (ACMI) (P5 CTS) training pods and support equipment; MS-110 Recce Pods; AN/ASG-34 Infrared Search and Track International; AN/ALE-47 counter-measures dispenser; AN/PYQ Simple Key Loaders; additional precision navigation, secure communications and cryptographic equipment; Electronic Combat International Security Assistance Program (ECISAP) support; Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS); Night Vision Goggles (NVG) and support equipment and spares; conformal fuel tanks; chaff and flares; aircraft and personnel support and test equipment; pylons, launcher adaptors, weapons interfaces, fuel tanks, and attached hardware; travel pods, precision measurement equipment laboratory, calibration, and simulators; spare and repair parts, repair and return services; maps, publications, and technical documentation; studies and surveys; classified/unclassified software and software support; personnel training and training equipment; facilities and facility management, design and/or construction services; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated total cost is $13.9 billion.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of an important regional partner that is a force for political stability, and economic progress in the Asia-Pacific region. It is vital to U.S. national interest to assist Indonesia in developing and maintaining a strong and effective self-defense capability.
The proposed sale will improve Indonesia’s capability to meet current and future threats by enabling it to provide increased deterrence and air defense coverage across a very complex air and maritime domain. Indonesia will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft and equipment into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be The Boeing Company, St. Louis, MO. The purchaser typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the contractor.
Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of fewer than 20 U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Indonesia to provide technical support for maintenance operations and to conduct flight and maintenance training.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value is for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.
All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

one more step guys

 

[kursed]

36 F-15s and 42 Rafales. This is a serious upgrade in the works. Kudos, folks!

 

[Indos]

Regular Marine soldiers training

 

[Mata Elang]

36 F-15s and 42 Rafales. This is a serious upgrade in the works. Kudos, folks!

The question is whether this purchase will stop China? The answer is 100% no. It is clear that the procurement of these fighter aircraft will take a long time to arrive in Indonesia and hundreds of trillions of rupiah are needed to purchase these two types of fighter aircraft. I'm not saying I don't agree, but to fight a big country like China, we shouldn't use conventional means. China's military and economy is too big compared to Indonesia's. We are better off using asymmetric methods and trying to be independent in making military weapons, even if it's gradual.

 

[Indos]

From Dahnil, Mindef spoke person, he said 56 month from now for the delivery, so the delivery will be in the next administration if what Dahnil said is true.

This is of course Defense Ministry point of view, there is still Planning Minister and Finance Minister point of view.

Parliament wants hearing session with Prabowo over the deal

These Female journalists are more sharp in the question, critical, not just yes boss

 

[Indos]

More information Indonesian members will know about the contract

 

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Naval Group and PT PAL strengthen their cooperation​

On February 10h 2022, Pierre Eric Pommellet, Naval Group’s Chief Executive Officer and Dr Kaharuddin Djenod, PT PAL’s Chief Executive Officer signed a Memorandum of Understanding in presence of General Prabowo Subianto, Indonesian Minister of Defence and Florence Parly, French Minister of the Armed Forces.

Naval Group and PT Pal signed a Memorandum of Understanding seeking to leverage the capabilities of both partners to meet the growing requirements of the Indonesian Navy.

Both companies are leaders in their markets and confirm their willingness to further increase their cooperation to provide solutions to meet the needs of the Indonesian Navy but also by opening a joint R&D center involving other Indonesian companies.

During the signature, Dr. Kaharuddin Djenod, CEO of PT Pal said that “it is an important history for the two countries. The French government is very serious in supporting Indonesia’s capabilities development of defense equipment. And we, PT PAL are proud to be an important part of this historic moment”.

Pierre Eric Pommellet, CEO of Naval Group said “we welcome the declarations of the Minister of Defence of Indonesia to engage cooperation in the submarine domain between PT Pal and Naval Group. We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding for that purpose and are looking forward to working together on the submarine program to meet the needs of the Indonesian Navy and to strengthen the Indonesian naval and defense industry.”

 

[Indos]

Once again Ananda from DT give misleading information about KF21/IFX program.

I need to clarify this once more. Indonesia invest 20 % for the program, along with 20-30% of man power since design process started in 2011 until design process is completed in end of 2019, along with part manufacturing for several prototypes, tandem seat design work package from Indonesian Aerospace home office during 2020 period after all design engineers come home in May 2020, as well as some 35-40 technicians as first batch of Indonesian team come back to South Korea in August 2021-until the number increase into around 100 again in the end of 2022 inshaAllah.

I have posted 2020 Indonesian Aerospce document related to KF21/IFX program in KFX/IFX thread for the year 2020 where since May 2020 all Indonesian engineers have come back to Indonesia. That is the work done in Indonesian Aerospace office (design center) and production facility in Bandung, West Java.

For All population of KF21/IFX

20 % stake also means some fuselage parts for ALL KF 21/IFX program will be produced by Indonesian Aerospace, half of the wing, and other parts as well, there is article I have posted in KFX/IFX thread talking about the parts whether the article with quote from Indonesia KF21/IFX program manager in 2016 news and also recent 2021 news with quote coming from Minister of Planning, Finance Ministry spoke person, and also Foreign Ministry high profile official.

All in here meaning to whole KF21/IFX population, whether for Korean, Indonesian, or other countries ( export). Sorry I need to high light the word since there is one Indonesian member in other forum tries to play down Indonesian role and participation despite he doesnt have any connection to the KF21/IFX program, just some one seeing from the outside with his own speculative idea.

Testing data and fifth prototype for Indonesia

Not to mention Indonesian Aerospace will get all flight data information during the test flight and static test data and also one prototype as vehicle to develop the plane further by the company and the means to learn more on designing STEALTH fighter jet since having the plane means we can now test the plane in real after so many years designing and data being taken from wind tunnel and CFD analysis and also in sector of aerostructure and system integration development.

The designers have been working since 2011, having one prototype and all test data during development is very essential for their expertise development. Having one prototype which is owned by Indonesian Aerospace is very important, while foreign plane used by Indonesian Air Force cannot be used by Indonesian Aerospace legally. The engineers will have freedom to do many kind of test and development using that prototype, this is why having one prototype for PTDI is important and become our demand before making a deal with South Korea in 2009.

Export right issue

The problem on export right is not about exporting the fuselage parts and to become part of supply chain, but whether Indonesia can sell the plane in one complete plane, not just in the form of parts. While based on current agreement complete plane production can only be done for Indonesian own order.

Production

There is statement ( also need confirmation as we need to be critical as person/ not easy to be mislead or cheated by people ) Rafale order offer 20 % local production as offset, but this is still small compared to KF21/IFX local production which not only include significant part production, but also assembling, system integration and produce whole plane in Indonesian Aerospace that include testing as well. Not to mention Indonesian Aerospace will be part of KF21/IFX supply chain with quite significant part production portion for whole KF21/IFX population.

Wingman Program

KF 21/IFX will use wingman drone, thus it will be a more capable fighter and Indonesian Aerospace can use this KF21/IFX capability to design its own Wingman drone and produce it for Indonesian Air Force demand which I believe will be quite many if one KF21/IFX is accompanied with 3 Wingman drone.

Upgrade program

The upgrade of KF21/IFX can be done in the country based on statement from Indonesian KF21/IFX program manager, thus it will reduce the operation and maintenance cost quite significantly while providing jobs and experience to our own engineers, and this privilege can lead into more subsystem produced by Indonesian local companies like PT LEN Industry, PT Info Global, Pindad, Dahana and others

 

[Indos]

Need more post to debunk his misleading post in DT

Indonesian KF21/IFX engineers, Dr Rais Zain, M. Eng , KFX / IFX Configuration Design Leader talking about the period during early development

Non Indonesian can translate it into English

Program KFX/IFX Dilanjutkan, Pemerintah Diminta Segera Memilih Desain

Angkasa Online - Majalah Aviasi dan Militer

web.archive.org

 

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Simulator Multifunction Operationing Consule (MOC) Combat Management System (CMS) for KRI Diponegoro Class Warship. a Damen Schelde corvette
The simulator has been upgraded additional features to support 76 MM Gun, Torpedo, Exocet and Tetral missiles shooting drill,
with 4 MOC Consoles, EW Consoles, Sonar Consoles, Radar Consoles) with Scenario Creation (GSS)

The crew team involved in traning simulator are from KRI Hasanuddin-366 warship combat information center (CIC) and Maintenance

 

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Navy Rheinmetall Submarine Command Team Trainer (SCTT)

KRI Ardadedali-404 submarine crew members in routine weekly training
Simulator SCS (Submarine Control Simulator)