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He is suggested the Army to colab with private industry so the technician can gain more benefit in maintenance
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" Both the Hawk and Scorpion deals were underwritten by the ECGD. Indonesia has never paid for the aircraft and vehicles, as the payments were rescheduled in 1998 following the Asian financial crisis. After 1998, the ECGD paid out £645 million for bad debts relating to arms sales to Suharto—about £400 million to BAE Systems for the Hawks, £93 million to Alvis for the Scorpions, and £150 million to other UK arms companies (Guardian, 20.12.04). Currently, Indonesia owes the UK £551 million in military-related debt (Hansard, 10.1.05). Of this, £80.7 million is for the Scorpion and Stormer vehicles and £382.7 million for the Hawks (Hansard, 13.1.05). Payment of the debt by Indonesia to the ECGD is not expected to finish until 2021, and there is every likelihood the money will never be recovered "
https://publications.parliament.uk/...YOR89crZAfgTuBFpCN_6v1bVZYys5digIq8mO6w6smd9U
From House of Commons, seems alike we never pay our Hawks & Scorpion.
Damn son, those Hawks are starting to retire in few years and haven't paid yet and some people complains about embargo and how UK was not allowed to use Hawks in konflik Aceh
" Both the Hawk and Scorpion deals were underwritten by the ECGD. Indonesia has never paid for the aircraft and vehicles, as the payments were rescheduled in 1998 following the Asian financial crisis. After 1998, the ECGD paid out £645 million for bad debts relating to arms sales to Suharto—about £400 million to BAE Systems for the Hawks, £93 million to Alvis for the Scorpions, and £150 million to other UK arms companies (Guardian, 20.12.04). Currently, Indonesia owes the UK £551 million in military-related debt (Hansard, 10.1.05). Of this, £80.7 million is for the Scorpion and Stormer vehicles and £382.7 million for the Hawks (Hansard, 13.1.05). Payment of the debt by Indonesia to the ECGD is not expected to finish until 2021, and there is every likelihood the money will never be recovered "
https://publications.parliament.uk/...YOR89crZAfgTuBFpCN_6v1bVZYys5digIq8mO6w6smd9U
From House of Commons, seems alike we never pay our Hawks & Scorpion.
Interesting... If we really are not paying, then what's keeping them from suing us in court for failing to pay...? This should be an easy win for them...
Or perhaps, quietly, the Brits actually also prefer not to be scrutinized over this rumored "Hawk seharga Hornet" and "Scorpion seharga Leo2" deal...?
Damn son, those Hawks are starting to retire in few years and haven't paid yet and some people complains about embargo and how UK was not allowed to use Hawks in konflik Aceh
yah setidak nya itu yg saya rasakan saat test drive menggunakan mercy lalu scania dan hino juga ural truck dan renault di ranpur elang terutama saat beban penuh dan menanjak juga saat cruise mereka terasa lebih bertenaga utk kendaaran sehari hari saya pilih pajero saya dan kl ada touring saja pakai ford ranger terutama saat touring dan bawa trailer utk motor trail. itu juga menerangkan kenapa rekan Paskhas memilih turangga yg berbasis ford f 150 dr pada menggunakan basis Hilux atau land cruiser sekali pun nah kl maung ini dalam range dan prospek yg berbeda jadi menggunakan mesin hilux dan basis hilux adalah pilihan yang tepat menurut saya semoga anda paham yang saya maksud regard
Kalau performance mesin memang ga mungkin bisa ngalahkan barang Eropa (apalagi cewe basis Eropa ), tapi yg perlu diketahui dgn mobil Jepang adalah margin toleransi nya jauh lebih besar dibandingkan mobil Eropa atau Amerika sekalipun. Sebenarnya kalau kita buka (bongkar) mesn Eropa, performance mereka dapatnya hanya karena margin toleransi nya sangat kecil yg akibatnya masa pakai bin maintenance jauh lebih berat dibadingkan mobil Jepang. Sebagai contoh mesin mobil Eropa kalau sudah usia dekat 10 tahun siap2x aja "mbubut" itu silinder yg tentunya ngerubah (nurunkan) performance mesin. Dan hal ini juga penyebab yg sering kita lihat mobil Lamborghini yg terbakar. Sebenarnya bukan karena mesin nya jelek, tapi kondisi mesin sudah melewati margin toleransi. Hal yg sama juga dgn F-150, saya kebetulan ga pernah punya mobil Ford jadi ga bisa detail, cuma setau saya F-150 kurang lebih memang margin toleransinya mirip dgn Toyota, sedangkan utk performance mobil Amerika filosofis nya adalah dengan "brute force" alias kapasitas mesin yg dibesarkan.
it just doesnt make any sense, why would they go for less quality, secondhand asset procurement, just so they can say that they reached MEF III target ? its just stupid, the thing is, we have the budget to go for high quality, and new equipment. if they do this because china pressure, then its understandable, but then again, does the pressure is high enough to force us to be reckless ? i dont think so, so far our relationship with China is not as bad as it was in January.Interim readiness program? That's where the point blanks left by the former MoD should be filled by current MoD. What to expect?
1. Submarine
2. Fighter
3. Frigates
4. Helicopters SAR Combat
Anything else?
it just doesnt make any sense, why would they go for less quality, secondhand asset procurement, just so they can say that they reached MEF III target ? its just stupid, the thing is, we have the budget to go for high quality, and new equipment. if they do this because china pressure, then its understandable, but then again, does the pressure is high enough to force us to be reckless ? i dont think so, so far our relationship with China is not as bad as it was in January.
Not yet finished to modernise or even expand the fleet we already lost several ships.it just doesnt make any sense, why would they go for less quality, secondhand asset procurement, just so they can say that they reached MEF III target ? its just stupid, the thing is, we have the budget to go for high quality, and new equipment. if they do this because china pressure, then its understandable, but then again, does the pressure is high enough to force us to be reckless ? i dont think so, so far our relationship with China is not as bad as it was in January.