Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

Emang gaje, trus covid19 dipake buat ngeles narik karyawan DI balik ke Indonesia.

May I know which branch will get this osprey? Or it will be used for all branch?
Ngarep buat pasmar.

Are we also planning to have chinook?

Osprey for Army, as i said before Navy Will provide flat top meanwhile Army and Air Force Will provide the units

Maybe the tactical (basing) advantage of B model STOVL can be considered worth the trade-off?

Indonesia can operate B model from far far more places dotted all around its geography...and make and test out lot of interesting optimised doctrines regarding that (compared to being stuck only in prepared runway bases).

Ofc future flexibility with CV if it happens as well...it cant hurt.

@Nike BTW, what is the projected number requirement for this class of a/c for TNI-AF? I guess you have to soon make decision with sticking with KFX or go with F-35 right?

Don't know, maybe a squadron or two

 

[Raduga]

i have a contradicting emotion now , the price are so ridiculous but understandable because it was also brought with full supporting equipment , CH-47 maybe the best option for now , but perhaps ........ perhaps someone in the army already envision that the future of rotary craft will soon be filled with tilt rotor craft enroaching the market , thus we are preparing when that time comes , we'd pretty much already held the infrastructure and experience for it .

 

[Alex898]

very nice, they're able to spend 2 billion USD on this, but only give 720m for 2 Frigate that supposed to face China in North Natuna. But okay, fine. at least there;s something new in the inventory

 

[Raduga]

very nice, they're able to spend 2 billion USD on this, but only give 720m for 2 Frigate that supposed to face China in North Natuna. But okay, fine. at least there;s something new in the inventory

it's AL problem , they still not had that "visionary" officer , AD already implemented this "Defense is investment" since the almarhum purn general pramono edhie wibowo fought hard with our foolish representative council for upgrading into leopard rather than spending more in pity fv101 scorpion or upgraded AMX .

 

[Nike]

it's AL problem , they still not had that "visionary" officer , AD already implemented this "Defense is investment" since the almarhum purn general pramono edhie wibowo fought hard with our foolish representative council for upgrading into leopard rather than spending more in pity fv101 scorpion or upgraded AMX .

At least Army not shy away from procuring US arms through open source like this one. They had done before with Javelin and Apache acquisition

The problem is Navy seem not familiar enough with US arms...

 

[Cromwell]

Yeah Boeing offers seems the more sensible ones. I don't understand the thought process behind this decision

Yes i thought it wasn't serious but now seeing that the article published in dsca.mil, the army aviation did serious

 

[Nike]

Yes i thought it wasn't serious but now seeing that the article published in dsca.mil, the army aviation did serious

They Will taking heavy lift helicopters budget though

 

[Whizzack]

i have a contradicting emotion now , the price are so ridiculous but understandable because it was also brought with full supporting equipment , CH-47 maybe the best option for now , but perhaps ........ perhaps someone in the army already envision that the future of rotary craft will soon be filled with tilt rotor craft enroaching the market , thus we are preparing when that time comes , we'd pretty much already held the infrastructure and experience for it .

This surely is exciting news! However a reminder... we have had the FMS approved for J Hercs since ages ago and yet for some reason, seems to still fail to pay for even the initial payment installment... So don't hold your breath just yet...

Also other than speed, what are the advantages of an Osprey compared to the Chinook...? Ease of maintenance is definitely not one of it... That being said, if the price for Chinooks are only slightly less than an Osprey then hell yeah we should just get the Osprey... Likewise for F-16Vs, if it's only slightly cheaper than an F35, we should just get that as well...

 

[Raduga]

This surely is exciting news! However a reminder... we have had the FMS approved for J Hercs since ages ago and yet for some reason, seems to still fail to pay for even the initial payment installment... So don't hold your breath just yet...

Also other than speed, what are the advantages of an Osprey compared to the Chinook...? Ease of maintenance is definitely not one of it... That being said, if the price for Chinooks are only slightly less than an Osprey then hell yeah we should just get the Osprey... Likewise for F-16Vs, if it's only slightly cheaper than an F35, we should just get that as well...

operational range

 

[Kansel]

We can buy osprey but keep delaying the payment of KFX IFX program, quite a douchebag

US Government Approved Sale for Eight MV-22 Block C Osprey to Indonesia

07 Juli 2020


MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft (images : Bellflight)

WASHINGTON - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Indonesia of eight (8) MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft and related equipment for an estimated cost of $2 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Indonesia has requested to buy eight (8) MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft. Also included are twenty-four (24) AE 1107C Rolls Royce Engines; twenty (20) AN/AAQ-27 Forward Looking InfraRed Radars; twenty (20) AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems; twenty (20) AN/APR-39 Radar Warning Receivers; twenty (20) AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems; twenty (20) AN/APX-117 Identification Friend or Foe Systems (IFF); twenty (20) AN/APN-194 Radar Altimeters; twenty (20) AN/ARN-147 VHF OmniDirectional Range (VOR) Instrument Landing System (ILS) Beacon Navigation Systems; forty (40) ARC-210 629F-23 Multi-Band Radios (Non-COMSEC); twenty (20) AN/ASN-163 Miniature Airborne Global Positioning System (GPS) Receivers (MAGR); twenty (20) AN/ARN-153 Tactical Airborne Navigation Systems; twenty (20) Traffic Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS II); twenty (20) M-240-D 7.64mm Machine Guns; twenty (20) GAU-21 Machine Guns; Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS) with unique planning components; publications and technical documentation; aircraft spares and repair parts; repair and return; aircraft ferry services; tanker support; support and test equipment; personnel training and training equipment; software; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, logistics, and technical support services; and other elements of technical and program support. The estimated total cost is $2.0 billion.



This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of an important regional partner that is a force for political stability, and economic progress in the Asia-Pacific region. It is vital to U.S. national interest to assist Indonesia in developing and maintaining a strong and effective self-defense capability.

The proposed sale of aircraft and support will enhance Indonesia’s humanitarian and disaster relief capabilities and support amphibious operations. This sale will promote burden sharing and interoperability with U.S. Forces. Indonesia is not expected to have any difficulties absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be Bell Textron Inc., Amarillo, Texas and The Boeing Company, Ridley Park, Pennsylvania. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require travel by the U.S. Government personnel and contractor representatives to Indonesia on a temporary basis to provide program technical support and program management oversight.

(DSCA)

@Nilgiri we Will be the third user after US marine corps and Japan

HELL YEAH

 

[Raduga]

you guys also should see , that $2 billion price tag is like what australia does with their defense procurement , it includes full package supporting equipment and also training ,logistic ,maintenance and technical service support for the chopper , that $2 billion is normal for such contract .

 

[polanski]

KAI aims to export the first korean-made helicopter to Indonesia
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...rt-first-korean-made-helicopter-to-indonesia/

GE Aviation delivers engines to KAI for KFX programme https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...-f414-ge-400k-engine-to-kai-for-kfx-fighters/

 

[Cromwell]

This surely is exciting news! However a reminder... we have had the FMS approved for J Hercs since ages ago and yet for some reason, seems to still fail to pay for even the initial payment installment... So don't hold your breath just yet...

Also other than speed, what are the advantages of an Osprey compared to the Chinook...? Ease of maintenance is definitely not one of it... That being said, if the price for Chinooks are only slightly less than an Osprey then hell yeah we should just get the Osprey... Likewise for F-16Vs, if it's only slightly cheaper than an F35, we should just get that as well...

C-130J procurement went through DCS not FMS, that's why no articles about our C-130 published on dsca.mil

 

[Gundala]

We can buy osprey but keep delaying the payment of KFX IFX program, quite a douchebag

US Government Approved Sale for Eight MV-22 Block C Osprey to Indonesia

07 Juli 2020


MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft (images : Bellflight)

WASHINGTON - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Indonesia of eight (8) MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft and related equipment for an estimated cost of $2 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Indonesia has requested to buy eight (8) MV-22 Block C Osprey aircraft. Also included are twenty-four (24) AE 1107C Rolls Royce Engines; twenty (20) AN/AAQ-27 Forward Looking InfraRed Radars; twenty (20) AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems; twenty (20) AN/APR-39 Radar Warning Receivers; twenty (20) AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems; twenty (20) AN/APX-117 Identification Friend or Foe Systems (IFF); twenty (20) AN/APN-194 Radar Altimeters; twenty (20) AN/ARN-147 VHF OmniDirectional Range (VOR) Instrument Landing System (ILS) Beacon Navigation Systems; forty (40) ARC-210 629F-23 Multi-Band Radios (Non-COMSEC); twenty (20) AN/ASN-163 Miniature Airborne Global Positioning System (GPS) Receivers (MAGR); twenty (20) AN/ARN-153 Tactical Airborne Navigation Systems; twenty (20) Traffic Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS II); twenty (20) M-240-D 7.64mm Machine Guns; twenty (20) GAU-21 Machine Guns; Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS) with unique planning components; publications and technical documentation; aircraft spares and repair parts; repair and return; aircraft ferry services; tanker support; support and test equipment; personnel training and training equipment; software; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, logistics, and technical support services; and other elements of technical and program support. The estimated total cost is $2.0 billion.



This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of an important regional partner that is a force for political stability, and economic progress in the Asia-Pacific region. It is vital to U.S. national interest to assist Indonesia in developing and maintaining a strong and effective self-defense capability.

The proposed sale of aircraft and support will enhance Indonesia’s humanitarian and disaster relief capabilities and support amphibious operations. This sale will promote burden sharing and interoperability with U.S. Forces. Indonesia is not expected to have any difficulties absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be Bell Textron Inc., Amarillo, Texas and The Boeing Company, Ridley Park, Pennsylvania. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require travel by the U.S. Government personnel and contractor representatives to Indonesia on a temporary basis to provide program technical support and program management oversight.

(DSCA)

@Nilgiri we Will be the third user after US marine corps and Japan

Wait, what !?!? With TNI-AD marking? USD 2 billions? I know that this thing will surely come handy, tho I dont see this should be in the priority list. But I love to be educated

 

[mejikuhibiu]

We can buy osprey but still cant installment of ifx/kfx.. maybe its not about a money, its about some tecnical issues, or willingness from our gov.