Kansel
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The contract stipulated that they were to be fixed and refurbished before delivery, but when they arrived they were all literally in such terrible condition that the Cavalry literally put their foot down and complained. However as it was Gatot's work, there wasn't much they could say nor could they complain to the agent (PT. Indocertes). In the end they just gave them to the Infantry.the political General as always, need sum money for his campaign later, and oh yeah did anyone know any known trouble/problems of the m109 and m113 for the Army, kinda curious what happened why the Cavs reject the m113 and m109 are not kinda active, is it inaccurate like kh-179 problems or any?
and oh yeah, here's some today's joke feel free to laugh
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Like? From the Soeharto days?@Chestnut perhaps you have any source about Hawk corrupt Procurement? Thanks beforehand
MBDA has repeatedly tried and offered the shore launched Block 3 Exocet but it kept getting rejected. Idk out of lack of requirements or that the Navy doesn't want the Army to operate shore based AShM batteries.@Chestnut perhaps you have any source about Hawk corrupt Procurement? Thanks beforehand
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Anyway, still no plan for shore based AShM? Also i heard we want to change our AShM products, Is that right?
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It really does tick me off! How does the army brass looking at it thought "yeah black will go better in our operating environment", damn these parade mentality!Got this picture from Molay facebook page
From so many color available our army keep choosing the black ones, meanwhile the police is more tactical in their choice
There was a report by Angkasa circa 2012/2013 to further acquire 80 Marder, turned out the funds "di sulap" for this soapbox, smh.Btw, to whoever was wondering about how the M113/M109 deal is the result of corruption, you can read this link. It's blocked by a paywall but the URL should give you a hint of what happened.
https://yosefardi.com/2018/04/tomy-winata-gatot-nurmantyo-and-pt-indocertes/
Tl;Dr Boomers doing boomer things.
F-35 would be ideal, but Rafale would good too, even more Vipers would be good. Whether or not the failure of KFX will affect other countries dealing with Indonesia? Perhaps, in the future SK or other countries might refer to KFX as leverage to negotiate better contracts for themselves. But to be fair, Indonesia has more successful JV/LA in our portfolio, than those of failed ones. So, hopefully it won't be affecting us too muchwhat should we look for if the IF-X failed ? straightly to the F-35 ?
incase like that happened , would other countries now started to think twice before letting indonesia to co develop / joint their defense project ?
kalo diliat bener bener kelewat ambis sih proyek nya , mau mulai ya kudu dari light fighter dulu , if i remember lapan had light fighter development plan called as Lapan LF-X , that's just my 2cent of opinion .
We should really just forget about the Rafale. I can guarantee if they are adamant in introducing the Rafale, you can say goodbye to not only the Flankers, but the F-16's as well. Setting up the relevant infrastructure for them is going to be REALLY costly, not to mention they don't take any of the weapons we currently have in inventory. If they want to reopen the F-5 replacement program once the Wuhanic Plague ends, then better to just go with a US made jet (I'm banking on the F/A-18 SHornet) and call it a day. A US made jet would at least be able to use a few of the equipment and maintenance infrastructure that we already have.
Maybe it's too much to ask but I genuinely hope that the Air Force sets the gold standard on professionalism and competence.
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I'm inclined to agree with those points. Ah yes, Super Bug, that one escaped me! Yea, SH would be a good alternative for us, it would boost our interoperability with allied players in the region as well. Would be good if we buy it in bulk with other Boeing products (Not sure about KC-46 though).We should really just forget about the Rafale. I can guarantee if they are adamant in introducing the Rafale, you can say goodbye to not only the Flankers, but the F-16's as well. Setting up the relevant infrastructure for them is going to be REALLY costly, not to mention they don't take any of the weapons we currently have in inventory. If they want to reopen the F-5 replacement program once the Wuhanic Plague ends, then better to just go with a US made jet (I'm banking on the F/A-18 SHornet) and call it a day. A US made jet would at least be able to use a few of the equipment and maintenance infrastructure that we already have.
Maybe it's too much to ask but I genuinely hope that the Air Force sets the gold standard on professionalism and competence.
Is that actually an active policy? No wonder our air force brass didn't bat an eye when those ex-RAAF Hornets goes on sale wkwkwkActually no second hand policy is killing much of Air Force options....
If they adamant to pursue heavy fighter class, F 15 is actually much much cheaper to acquire and logical choice for first timer user and also NATO standard follower compared to Rafale or EFT. That's real bomb trucks.
Actually no second hand policy is killing much of Air Force options....
Agreed. Though as much as we have to look towards peer conflict, the Super Tucanos are sorely needed for COIN ops. Like it or not the reality of the life in Indonesia is that because its a very multicultural country, secession and rebellion is going to be very common place, especially with an uncertain economic situation. Maybe in the next 20 years we wouldn't need them, but with things like the OPM currently running amok and (likely) supported by state actors, you're still going to need COIN assets.
Ya, i heard the price has been marked up so bad that one hawk is equivalent with one F18 price.Like? From the Soeharto days?
Where exactly do these go on in Indonesia case? Is it mostly Papua or there is still some spread in other islands?
Agreed. Though as much as we have to look towards peer conflict, the Super Tucanos are sorely needed for COIN ops. Like it or not the reality of the life in Indonesia is that because its a very multicultural country, secession and rebellion is going to be very common place, especially with an uncertain economic situation. Maybe in the next 20 years we wouldn't need them, but with things like the OPM currently running amok and (likely) supported by state actors, you're still going to need COIN assets.
The way I see it until Indonesia has reached a level of economic stability that are not concentrated on Java, secessionist movements would continue to form. They can be formed out of natural resentment at the central government or state-sponsored from abroad.Where exactly do these go on in Indonesia case? Is it mostly Papua or there is still some spread in other islands?
I agree, but again I don't see the situation would only be contained to Papua. Keep in mind that certain people aren't happy that the economic development of the country is contained within the bigger islands. What's there to stop a state actor from profiting from the resentment by financing or arming these groups? We already saw a bunch of Type 56's and Type 81's in the hands of the OPM, it would naive to think that this wouldn't happen anywhere else in the Republic. I agree we need more UAV's and helicopters, but we shouldn't discount having COIN planes when our country is very susceptible to Balkanization given the right amount of support.For COIN ops, especially in papua mountains and jungles, Super Tucano actually doesn't hold the candle. Bad weather, unforgiving terrain, thick folliage of jungle canopy is not suited for Tucano deployment not to mention the lightly armed of Tucano (with .50 cal ) doesn't mean much to spray from higher the enemies hiding among thick woods, unless you want to unleash bombs or rockets . My friend told me, unless you are seasoned veteran of pilot penerbangan perintis in Papua, with high intuition, you are not much welcomed there. Helicopter is the best thing to do the fight there, accompanied by UAV.