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China Chases Indonesia’s Fishing Fleets, Staking Claim to Sea’s Riches
The Indonesian government appears to have backed away from confronting China, its largest trading partner. “Our fishermen feel scared,” one official said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/asia/Indonesia-south-china-sea-fishing.html

Sufficient muscle needed to deal with expansionist country, even after obtaining sudetenland that doesn't stop nazi Germany to expand more and invade other country.

Its already April btw, lets see if there will be any press conference from MoD or it will be postponed because of the pandemic.
 
China Chases Indonesia’s Fishing Fleets, Staking Claim to Sea’s Riches
The Indonesian government appears to have backed away from confronting China, its largest trading partner. “Our fishermen feel scared,” one official said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/asia/Indonesia-south-china-sea-fishing.html

Sufficient muscle needed to deal with expansionist country, even after obtaining sudetenland that doesn't stop nazi Germany to expand more and invade other country.

Its already April btw, lets see if there will be any press conference from MoD or it will be postponed because of the pandemic.

Commies virus outbreak happened during their muscle flexing, always wary of ccp they are not sincere and quite dangerous
 
Readout of Secretary of Defense Dr. Mark T. Esper's Phone Call With Indonesian Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto
MARCH 31, 2020


Secretary of Defense Dr. Mark T. Esper spoke with his Indonesian counterpart, Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto, on the phone today to discuss COVID-19. Both leaders offered sympathies to those affected by COVID-19 in the United States and in Indonesia. Secretary Esper thanked Minister Prabowo and his government for their leadership in responding to COVID-19 and asked how else the United States might help. Minister Prabowo conveyed his government's gratitude to the United States for its first tranche of support to Indonesia, including $2.3 million in funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development and a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisor embedded with the Indonesian government.

Secretary Esper and Minister Prabowo also discussed bilateral defense priorities, including military readiness and defense acquisitions. Both leaders conveyed their desire to meet again soon.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...mark-t-espers-phone-call-with-indonesian-min/
 
This is a good news,
Should Indonesia select side from this time?

there is opportunity for indo extend more defence coorporation with the USA , maybe more price and bireucracy flexibility for indo to buy hi tech Toys, more access for their Arsenals,

the Wuhan coronavirus hamper our progress in all aspect, endanger our economy and killing our peoples at the same time northern commies taking opportunity to harash our fisherman
 
China seems to not only being greedy in claiming SCS, but rather much portion of their personnel too believe in the bullshit ancient fishing ground claim sincerely, which is kinda delusional but expected of such a state.
 
funny to see that there are some people here who still refuse to be siding with USA and be neutral not to anger china.
China is an enemy, yes it is. and if the government refuses to acknowledged so ,there must be something fishy
we must pick side in the SCS while continuing to strengthened the Navy and Air Force.
 
China seems to not only being greedy in claiming SCS, but rather much portion of their personnel too believe in the bullshit ancient fishing ground claim sincerely, which is kinda delusional but expected of such a state.

So... What will you do to the "Mighty" China ?
 
This is a good news,
Should Indonesia select side from this time?

there is opportunity for indo extend more defence coorporation with the USA , maybe more price and bireucracy flexibility for indo to buy hi tech Toys, more access for their Arsenals,

the Wuhan coronavirus hamper our progress in all aspect, endanger our economy and killing our peoples at the same time northern commies taking opportunity to harash our fisherman
China has no friends, only enemies that are the last to be killed.

funny to see that there are some people here who still refuse to be siding with USA and be neutral not to anger china.
China is an enemy, yes it is. and if the government refuses to acknowledged so ,there must be something fishy
we must pick side in the SCS while continuing to strengthened the Navy and Air Force.
Considering a few of our officials in the current administration has vetted private interests in economic dealing with the PRC, you can guess why some are adamant about distancing from China.
 
[Exclusive] Military and Aircraft Carriers Consider to Introduce Supersonic Air-to-Surface Missile
[Kim Dae-Young's Milduk] carriers killer with Mach 2-3 speed , have a High possibility of integrated into KF-X

2020.03.19 (Thu) 14:40:21
[Biz Korea] We are considering the introduction of a supersonic air-to-surface missile capable of neutralizing aircraft carriers in neighboring countries. According to officials of the military, it was confirmed that in the early March of the March, the announcement of a prior research survey analysis was issued under the name of the 'airship missile-2'. It will begin in August of this year, and will be conducted for 4 months until December.


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The supersonic air-to-surface missile, which will be introduced by the Korean military, is highly likely to be installed and operated on the Korean-type fighter KF-X, considering the future business period. Photo = KAI provided

In general, anti-ship missiles fly at subsonic speeds of about 0.5 to 0.7 Mach, while supersonic anti-ship missiles fly at Mach 2 to 3, making it very difficult to intercept from the defending side. It is especially known as a useful weapon for neutralizing aircraft carriers. As an example, the 'Sungfeng (supersonic) -3 supersonic anti-ship missile' developed and deployed by Taiwan independently flies at a speed of Mach 2 or more and has the nickname of 'aircraft killer', that is, the aircraft carrier killer.

In the course of the test, missiles broke through the hull of large tanks, tank landers. Because it is faster than subsonic anti-ship missiles, it produces considerable power with pure kinetic energy alone. For this reason, China, a neighboring country, has developed and transformed various types of supersonic anti-ship missiles that can be launched from the ground, sea, and underwater and air.

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The Shuangfeng-3 supersonic anti-ship missile, developed and deployed by Taiwan independently, flies at Mach 2 or higher and has the nickname of the aircraft carrier killer. Photo = Kim Dae-young

Japan is also known to have developed an ASM-3 supersonic air-to-surface missile equipped and operated by F-2 fighters. In January 2018, it was reported that development was completed in Japan, but instead of going into mass production, it is promoting improvement to extend the range. In this regard, military expert Moon Seung-beom, an issuer of monthly Defense Times Korea, said, "This movement in Japan is interpreted as being highly aware of China's aircraft carrier."

Unlike neighboring countries such as China, Japan, and Taiwan, Korea has not yet used supersonic anti-ship missiles. However, it was reported that development was in progress with the goal of actual deployment this year through media reports last year. Although no detailed information on the supersonic anti-ship missile being developed as a confidential business, that is, as a confidential business, has not been released, developments have been reviewed since 2007 and are expected to operate on land, sea and underwater.

19659-45246-sampleM.jpg
It is known that Japan has developed an ASM-3 supersonic air-to-surface missile mounted and operated by an F-2 fighter jet. Photo = Ministry of Defense of Japan

It is also a matter of how our military will introduce supersonic air-to-air missiles. Prior studies have not yet been conducted, but our main importers of weapons, the United States and Europe, do not have supersonic air-to-air missiles. For this reason, plans to improve the supersonic anti-ship missiles currently being developed in Korea are considered promising.

In the case of supersonic air-to-air missiles, it is planned to be installed and operated on a fighter plane.In the case of F-35A, F-15K, and KF-16 fighter jets operated by the Air Force, the U.S. government and fighter manufacturer's permission are required when integrating domestically developed weapons into U.S. fighters. And a huge budget for test evaluation. For this reason, domestic defense industry officials consider that it is highly likely to be mounted on the KF-X, a Korean fighter, considering the future business period. Particularly, in the case of KF-X, there are no restrictions on the installation of domestic armament since it is progressed by domestic development.

Daeyoung Kim Military Critic writer@bizhankook.com

http://www.bizhankook.com/bk/articl...BXOtfxA2gOwgmzIg579VxJ40-rfGQmOinebSXhC8FtNLI
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i really hope our govt will not backed up from this project , having an aircraft equipped with a carrier deterrent missile would be handy .
 
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Nice to see the awkwardness between US and our MoD already sorted out.

This is a good news,
Should Indonesia select side from this time?
Let's just get close to the US whilst still being 'neutral', no need to choose side. It just that we have intersecting interest with the US, I think the common ground would be having a stronger Indonesia.

Don't forget that there is always udang dibalik bakwan for both Indonesia and US.

there is opportunity for indo extend more defence coorporation with the USA , maybe more price and bireucracy flexibility for indo to buy hi tech Toys, more access for their Arsenals,
That will be good but need a lot of effort depend on what kind of stuff that we want, easier but also good (bidang ekonomi) for us is if we can avoid any tariffs (because of our trade surplus with them).
the Wuhan coronavirus hamper our progress in all aspect, endanger our economy and killing our peoples at the same time northern commies taking opportunity to harash our fisherman
This crisis is a hard slap to the government, our society and our security forces.

China seems to not only being greedy in claiming SCS, but rather much portion of their personnel too believe in the bullshit ancient fishing ground claim sincerely, which is kinda delusional but expected of such a state.
Kita aja ga pernah ngeclaim northern Australian water as our traditional teripang fishing ground on historical basis kok, though our sailor in the past already wandering those area.


installation of new CIWS ? or yearly maintenance ?
Without the well dock and only having a single helipad there will be more room to use for medical needs, I think hospital ship is perfect to treat and quarantine the corona virus patient, just anchor it north of Jakarta no need to worry the virus might spread somewhere, and area with less medical service can be backed with this ship. Mini USNS mercy.

Shinkansen would not cause much problem, without conflicting interest between Indonesia and Japan we don't need to worry about Japanese flexing their soft power here, it would just make Indonesia - Japan way way more closer than ever, but sadly the Japanese got outmaneuvered (ketikung) on the financing scheme, ... extends the line not only for Jakarta - Bandung but also to Semarang - Surabaya that will be very good.

funny to see that there are some people here who still refuse to be siding with USA and be neutral not to anger china.
China is an enemy, yes it is. and if the government refuses to acknowledged so ,there must be something fishy
we must pick side in the SCS while continuing to strengthened the Navy and Air Force.
Let just be 'neutral'. Angering China? Actually that's not that bad, at least we can lessen their soft power on us, we can act tougher in North Natuna Sea in exchange.
If they decrease their investment here we just need to find someone else.

IMO its still one level bellow that, they are still a potential enemy that already creeping to our front yard.
It doesn't hurt to be careful and well prepared, good idea to sharpen our weapons.

[Exclusive] Military and Aircraft Carriers Consider to Introduce Supersonic Air-to-Surface Missile
[Kim Dae-Young's Milduk] carriers killer with Mach 2-3 speed , have a High possibility of integrated into KF-X

2020.03.19 (Thu) 14:40:21
[Biz Korea] We are considering the introduction of a supersonic air-to-surface missile capable of neutralizing aircraft carriers in neighboring countries. According to officials of the military, it was confirmed that in the early March of the March, the announcement of a prior research survey analysis was issued under the name of the 'airship missile-2'. It will begin in August of this year, and will be conducted for 4 months until December.


19659-45244-sampleM.jpg
The supersonic air-to-surface missile, which will be introduced by the Korean military, is highly likely to be installed and operated on the Korean-type fighter KF-X, considering the future business period. Photo = KAI provided

In general, anti-ship missiles fly at subsonic speeds of about 0.5 to 0.7 Mach, while supersonic anti-ship missiles fly at Mach 2 to 3, making it very difficult to intercept from the defending side. It is especially known as a useful weapon for neutralizing aircraft carriers. As an example, the 'Sungfeng (supersonic) -3 supersonic anti-ship missile' developed and deployed by Taiwan independently flies at a speed of Mach 2 or more and has the nickname of 'aircraft killer', that is, the aircraft carrier killer.

In the course of the test, missiles broke through the hull of large tanks, tank landers. Because it is faster than subsonic anti-ship missiles, it produces considerable power with pure kinetic energy alone. For this reason, China, a neighboring country, has developed and transformed various types of supersonic anti-ship missiles that can be launched from the ground, sea, and underwater and air.

19659-45245-sampleM.jpg
The Shuangfeng-3 supersonic anti-ship missile, developed and deployed by Taiwan independently, flies at Mach 2 or higher and has the nickname of the aircraft carrier killer. Photo = Kim Dae-young

Japan is also known to have developed an ASM-3 supersonic air-to-air missile equipped and operated by F-2 fighters. In January 2018, it was reported that development was completed in Japan, but instead of going into mass production, it is promoting improvement to extend the range. In this regard, military expert Moon Seung-beom, an issuer of monthly Defense Times Korea, said, "This movement in Japan is interpreted as being highly aware of China's aircraft carrier."

Unlike neighboring countries such as China, Japan, and Taiwan, Korea has not yet used supersonic anti-ship missiles. However, it was reported that development was in progress with the goal of actual deployment this year through media reports last year. Although no detailed information on the supersonic anti-ship missile being developed as a confidential business, that is, as a confidential business, has not been released, developments have been reviewed since 2007 and are expected to operate on land, sea and underwater.

19659-45246-sampleM.jpg
It is known that Japan has developed an ASM-3 supersonic air-to-air missile mounted and operated by an F-2 fighter jet. Photo = Ministry of Defense of Japan

It is also a matter of how our military will introduce supersonic air-to-air missiles. Prior studies have not yet been conducted, but our main importers of weapons, the United States and Europe, do not have supersonic air-to-air missiles. For this reason, plans to improve the supersonic anti-ship missiles currently being developed in Korea are considered promising.

In the case of supersonic air-to-air missiles, it is planned to be installed and operated on a fighter plane.In the case of F-35A, F-15K, and KF-16 fighter jets operated by the Air Force, the U.S. government and fighter manufacturer's permission are required when integrating domestically developed weapons into U.S. fighters. And a huge budget for test evaluation. For this reason, domestic defense industry officials consider that it is highly likely to be mounted on the KF-X, a Korean fighter, considering the future business period. Particularly, in the case of KF-X, there are no restrictions on the installation of domestic armament since it is progressed by domestic development.

Daeyoung Kim Military Critic writer@bizhankook.com

http://www.bizhankook.com/bk/articl...BXOtfxA2gOwgmzIg579VxJ40-rfGQmOinebSXhC8FtNLI
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i really hope our govt will not backed up from this project , having an aircraft equipped with a carrier deterrent missile would be handy .
Sea skimming high speed missile with low RCS would be a dope a55 anti aircraft carrier weapon.
We definitely need weapons against aircraft carrier battle group, IMO right now the most potent weapon we currently posses is submarine launched torpedoes, aircraft carrier battle group tend to have multi layered air defense against Ashm.

-LRASM / NSM
When?

Ah yakhont baru bisa dipasang dikapal tua.
 
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many people just don't get it, china uses its economic influence to shape the politics of one country, we must make a lessening of economic ties to china a priority , find another partner who view it as equal opportunity between two countries, ChinComs on the other hand will continue to do whatever *** they like either you're angering them or not.
A successful containing of china in the Asia Pacific theater will force them to seek influence elsewhere (maybe Central Asia),and stop its malign activities north of our border and for that we must have some sort of ties (military and political one) with the only country that is able to fight China Head on, in this case the US.
 
There is tendency in some SEA countries to get closer with China, Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar, Laos , Kamboja and even Malaysia, sooner or later they Will fall under China sphere of influence, we have a laverage in SCS conflict since we a have dispute in north Natuna sea, better arms forces compare to old allies in Malacanang, and we are don't have strong tendency to get closer to China well at least for now...
 
many people just don't get it, china uses its economic influence to shape the politics of one country, we must make a lessening of economic ties to china a priority , find another partner who view it as equal opportunity between two countries, ChinComs on the other hand will continue to do whatever *** they like either you're angering them or not.
A successful containing of china in the Asia Pacific theater will force them to seek influence elsewhere (maybe Central Asia),and stop its malign activities north of our border and for that we must have some sort of ties (military and political one) with the only country that is able to fight China Head on, in this case the US.

Both US and China are pretty much the same, they only do it in a different way. The reason are also the same, protecting their national interest. When you have power over things it would be a waste if you not make a toy out of it right? Its in human nature :-) China do it in economic way where US do it via UN, IMF, SWIFT (which suppouse to be neutral) and the lists go on for both of them. SCS is a way to protect their national interest in security and economic stand point. They have billions people to feed and tons of energy to keep the economy going, traditional fishing ground is just a lame excuse to create a cover story.

So we should stop try to differentiate lion over tiger. They both can kill us and will eat us when situation permit. Not to mention our neighbor who always lurking for opportunity to protect their national interest and try to take advantage over us. Sipadan ligitan, Timor leste, papua. So yeah lets just point our finger to our selves and pointing on how thru out our MEF we dont see ANY REAL EFFORTS to create integral part of alutsista for all angkatan as ONE. KCR with China CMS? Different radars and combat sensor in most of our fleet? Different trucks for same purpose? All create logistic nightmare as we all know. For me it wont matters if we go all Russiaans/China/US if the way we build our force and ego amongs angkatan isnt change much. We talk sishankamrata where the US marine preparing to downsizing their tank and went to missiles and drones. The future is here, the war will be fighting over economic assasination and missiles rain shower. For some reason(at least in my point of view) we still focusing on conventional war. Perhaps younger generation in our defense should be given more chances to make decission and positions faster? I stop my rant now :o:
 
IMO right now the most potent weapon we currently posses is submarine launched torpedoes, aircraft carrier battle group tend to have multi layered air defense against Ashm.

-LRASM / NSM
When?

Heavy Weight Torpedo is the only thing that could sink vessel. You don't sink vessel (of any size) by punching hole on it, you sink vessel by pouring water in. And that is why only Heavy Weight Torpedo could bring down ship NOT missile. The best any AShM could do is mission kill a ship but NOT to sink it.
 

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