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You know, I interest to discuss about LHD. Genesis said that China doesn't need LHD, while I think LHD is a must for a navy. And I'm also curious about Izumo and Hyuuga (which is also an LHD, I suspect). But I don't think that it is wise for us to derail this thread furthermore. What are you suggest, Genesis, Nihonjin?

For China, as a continental nation, they don't need an LHD. But for maritime powers such as Indonesia, LHD is imperative since it is imperative to transport troops from Java to the islands that are part of the Indonesian Archipelago. Japan, too, as an archipelagic nation (we are composed of over 6000+ islands) , light carriers and LHDs , AAS are a must. :)
 
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before to acquire an LHD we need to construct and induct the escorts first, if not it will be just a billion dollar floating metal.
 
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before to acquire an LHD we need to construct and induct the escorts first, if not it will be just a billion dollar floating metal.

Induction of 20 missile corvettes , armed with anti ship missiles and anti submarine ROC will make any foreign navy think twice before daring Indonesia
 
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Induction of 20 missile corvettes , armed with anti ship missiles and anti submarine ROC will make any foreign navy think twice before daring Indonesia

missile corvette? i think something even better, maybe frigate of ex European Navy will do to filling the gap

BTW, this kind of unexpected News, Indonesia army going more western than ever

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missile corvette? i think something even better, maybe frigate of ex European Navy will do to filling the gap

I am kinda thanking the european crisis, they quickly put their relatively newly made military equipments in storage, waiting a buyer to purchase them at half the original price, even less.

Anyway, what the..? ga ada angin ga ada hujan kita di shower tracked APC dan IFV
 
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I am kinda thanking the european crisis, they quickly put their relatively newly made military equipments in storage, waiting a buyer to purchase them at half the original price, even less.

Anyway, what the..? ga ada angin ga ada hujan kita di shower tracked APC dan IFV

what ever i think a lot of good news will be happened as long as the new administration doesn't change and meddle too much to current modernization plans.
 
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Marder, Bell-412EP, Apache, Blackhawk, Sherpa, komodo AMV, M113, Leopard2, AMX13, Scorpion light tank, is just a proof if Indonesian army goes to western camp
 
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China is definitely need an LHD, believe me.

Indonesia has a ship that almost a helo carrier. I don't know if it is an LPD or something. I know that it is not as uber as Type 071, but nevertheless it's shiny. You see that, it's shiny :dirol:

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Sure, maybe, couldn't hurt, and I didn't say don't need, I said couldn't handle one. We need more pilots for helicopters, more marines, more officers and NCOs and an academy for them(maybe not a separate one, but they need a place to be able to learn and pass on the knowledge, the navy is still in the process of constructing a naval aviation academy for carrier operations, so maybe this could be included, but it would be years if not a decade before the first graduate rolls out.

Not to mention we need ports, maintenance crew, doctrine, and much much more.

Did I also mention helicopter shortage? Z-20(blackhawk+) is somewhere in the jungle, 20, 30 ton helicopters all need engines, and all are on the drawing board. Then there are talk of a joint program with the Russians on a vertical take off fighter, but may just be hot air.

We do have versions of those helicopter now, but we need 21st century ones.

No, we are too behind for a LHD, even if we did have it we can't use it.

BTW, the easiest part is constructing it, that is very simple.

Experience takes time. 2050 is not a random date we picked.


That's an LPD, Landing Platform Dock, ours is about twice the size of yours. Ours can transport about a battalion, yours maybe a company. It should be able to handle 2-3 helicopters.

Indonesia needs much work before the navy can be potent.


It seems that the Chinese defense industry is in a construction mode right now. That's good, it indicates high innovation, and will drive competition with partners. I view competition as a healthy component as it encourages creativity, research and design. Keep it up !

sure, but it's difficult, again, goes back to the officer core, while Americans set the standards for AEGIS ships, we are catching up, the biggest problem is our officers may not be ready for such a ship and it would take sometime before we can use it effectively.

One of the major problems for the Chinese army is the toys are more and more there now, but the doctrines, strategies have not caught up. The problem of using gun like a stick is common place.

he he he. takes two to tango, buddy. :dance3:

it's more than two, it's a lot more, though like any big gathering of people, it's really the minority that's taking part, I'm not sure what the other nations are doing, if it's arms race, then they are doing it wrong.



Indonesia Raya!

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You know, I interest to discuss about LHD. Genesis said that China doesn't need LHD, while I think LHD is a must for a navy. And I'm also curious about Izumo and Hyuuga (which is also an LHD, I suspect). But I don't think that it is wise for us to derail this thread furthermore. What are you suggest, Genesis, Nihonjin?
forums are for discussions, what does it matter what. Especially since this is still on topic.

If Indonesia wants to do the leapfrog as well, you are going to have to address the issue of offciers too, though America isn't embargoing you, so maybe you can sent people to study.

Induction of 20 missile corvettes , armed with anti ship missiles and anti submarine ROC will make any foreign navy think twice before daring Indonesia
The only good one, bang for buck is the type 56 corvette that can be customized like a Porsche.
 
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Yup, the automatic version, not like the ones we have attached in Komodo variants.

Good, first, we must fill the short range AA. Later we should acquire the longer version.

The only good one, bang for buck is the type 56 corvette that can be customized like a Porsche.

I like 056 OPV. It is a small, cheap but can be considered as heavy weight with her weaponry pack. I dunno about the others though. Indonesia has made C705 as their standard AShM for their Missile Boat 40 and 60 I guess. So another China - Indonesia military cooperation is not impossible. The problem is, that we have already have Sigma. I dunno what can 056 OPV add to the firepower department when we have Sigma as our Corvette department. Maybe the cost effective? Like Sigma is expensive. It is a good ship, but expensive. Maybe a mix of Sigma and 056 OPV can give more punch to Indonesian Navy? The elite can get Sigma, while the regular get 056 OPV? (since 056 OPV will definitely cheaper than Sigma) What do you think guys? Mado? Nihonjin, Genesis, Gennaro?

Why I like 056 OPV? That's because of her Chinese RAM (FL-3000n?)
 
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