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Just...stick with F-16 pls, we shouldn't be following Thai or Indian level of hoarding planes of different models of the same weight class, moreover, any need for fighters that couldnt be fulfilled by F-16's spec, are meant to be filled with IFX.
What class is Rafale?
I think above f-16 but not quite f-15 class either.

is the buzz in the internet about extended version of 150 meter Iver Huitfeldt true ? i wonder how it's going to look like
My imagination is pretty much like iver but with an oto breda 127/64, 2 milenium ciws, and they can put towed sonar like captas-4 in that 10 meter extra.

Oh, and choose exocet, nsm, or rbs15 to replace harpoon
 
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Between two and four Scorpene
In 2015, the Indonesian Air Force bought 16 Sukhoi Su-35s to renew a squadron of old F-5E Tiger IIs, at the expense of the Rafale and the Eurofighter. Regarding the Scorpene submarines already sold in India and Malaysia, Indonesia has two French proposals: one relating to the sale of two submarines off the shelf and the other to the acquisition of four copies carried out as part of a technology transfer (ToT) with the Indonesian group PT PAL. A working group has already been set up between Naval Group and the Indonesian Navy.

Why does Indonesia still want to buy new submarines? The Indonesian navy has reportedly encountered serious problems with its Chang Bogo-class submarines produced by South Korea. It will cancel a contract signed with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) and estimated at $ 1 billion for the construction of three additional submarines. French submarine technology is appreciated in Asia-Pacific, a region where Naval Group already has three customers in the submarine field (Malaysia, India and Australia).

We already has DPN-Class for Corvette and PKR for light-frigate,so, why do we need Gowind?
 
What if Indonesia had Rafale and Scorpene submarines?

By Michel Cabirol | 01/17/2020, 6:00 AM | 

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Already sold in India and Malaysia, the Scorpene could well dock in Indonesia (Credits: DCNS)

The Indonesian Minister of Defense explained to France that his country wanted to arm itself to counter the Chinese threat. Jakarta is interested in 48 Rafale, up to 4 Scorpene and 2 Gowind.

According to concordant sources, Indonesia is interested in purchasing Rafale fighter planes (Dassault Aviation), Scorpene submarines and Gowind corvettes (Naval Group). The visit to Paris on Monday of the Minister of Defense of Indonesia, Prabowo Subianto, an ex-general reputed to be Francophile, was considered constructive even if we must remain very cautious at this stage. Thus, the Indonesian minister was expected in stride in Hamburg at TKMS. Tensions with China are leading to rearmament of the countries bordering the China Sea. This is the case of Indonesia, which has deployed combat aircraft and warships around the Natuna Islands near the South China Sea.

According to sources interviewed by La Tribune, Jakarta is interested in 48 Rafale, up to 4 Scorpene submarines armed with Exocet SM39 missile and by two 2,500-ton Gowind corvettes. These purchases could be made through an intergovernmental agreement between France and Indonesia, which wishes to go quickly. In 10 years, Paris has sold 1.36 billion euros in military equipment to Jakarta, with a peak in 2013 (480 million euros). That year, the missile MBDA had sold for more than 200 million euros a very short range surface-to-air weapon system (Mistral 3) and Nexter had placed 37 Caesar systems (115 million euros). The tricolor groups can rely on the strategic partnership signed in 2011 between France and Indonesia.

Read more: https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...afale-et-des-sous-marins-scorpene-837339.html
Sejak kapan prabowo francophile?
WHAT? 48 RAFALES??
BUSEEET BOSS...
no way, that's too good to be true...
Itumah Qatar, f15 + Rafale gilak

Vote for exocet we must add more more and more exocet !!! Are we buy more lejen manpad mistral? Also aster 15/30 or anti balistic SAMP/T likely good :D
 
sure Rafale is more well positioned compared to Sukhoi family at grand scheme of Indonesia future combat system and network centric and we could slowly phase out the flanker fleet we had. But i am more inclined toward US made system though
 
48rafale, scorpene gowind, smells like hoax to me
We don't have this kind shopping behavior, especially when we heavyly interested to viper, iver and u214
 
What class is Rafale?
I think above f-16 but not quite f-15 class either.


My imagination is pretty much like iver but with an oto breda 127/64, 2 milenium ciws, and they can put towed sonar like captas-4 in that 10 meter extra.

Oh, and choose exocet, nsm, or rbs15 to replace harpoon
They're the same class with similar capabilities. There isn't a point for us on buying the Rafale. It's going to be a huge waste down the defense budget. You'd have to set up all the infrastructure from scratch since we have absolutely zero experience with French fighter planes. Not to mention having to buy a completely different set of weapon packages for them.

If the AU truly wanted a multirole strike capability that isn't Russian or Chinese, they should look towards Boeing with their SHornets and Strike Eagles.
 
Well if Indonesia is interested with the Scorpene we should get the latest generation Scorpene 2000 SSK.

DCNS Unveils an Evolution of Its Scorpene 2000 SSK Submarine at UDT 2015

At UDT 2015 the Undersea Defence Technology exhibition and conference currently taking place in Rotterdam, DCNS unveiled an evolution of its Scorpene 2000 diesel-electric submarines (SSK).

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DCNS stand at UDT 2015 with the Scorpene 2000 evolution model

Xavier Mesnet, Submarine Marketing Director, told Navy Recognition during UDT 2015 that this evolution of the Scorpene 2000 design shows how DCNS integrates the latest technologies unveiled at Euronaval last year (such as the second-generation fuel-cell AIP, UUV deployment and recovery, Vipere multifunction buoy...) as well as industrial challenges and customer requirements.

The new Scorpene 2000 evolution model unveiled for the first time at UDT 2015 shows a redesigned sail and stern. According to Marie Nicod, submarine naval architect at DCNS, the only part left unchanged on the model shown at UDT 2015 is the bow. Up to 8 masts may now fit in the new sail because of its larger design. The stern is fitted with an X-rudder for better maneuvrability as well as pre-swirl stators: They reduce the rotational losses incurred by the propeller and further increase the performance of the screw.

DCNS can adapt the Scorpene 2000 series to specific customer requirements including its size and shape. Finally we were told that this evolution of the Scorpene 2000 may deploy the full spectrum of weapons: Torpedoes, Anti-ship missiles, Surface to air Missile, Cruise missiles plus special forces and UUVs.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...-scorpene-2000-ssk-submarine-at-udt-2015.html
 
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Indonesia to Buy Bigger Boats for Coast Guard

Jakarta. Indonesia plans to buy bigger boats to allow its coast guards to travel across the ocean, most notably the Natuna Sea, and expand their patrol reach, the government said on Friday.

The plan to buy ocean-going vessels was made after Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto had reportedly bought frigates for the Indonesian Navy from Denmark.

Maritime Affairs and Investment Coordinating Minister Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan said that the Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla), which soon becomes the country’s coast guard, will need ships the size of those Danish vessels.

"Mr. Prabowo has bought ocean-going vessels for the Navy from Denmark. They are between 138 meters and 150 meters in length and those frigates can sail across the ocean,” Luhut said at his office in Jakarta.

“After [the appointment of] Bakamla is completed, we want similar vessels as well. Probably not frigates, but we want our coast guard to be capable of sailing the Natuna Sea as well,” Luhut said.

The appointment of Bakamla as coast guard is mentioned in a bill being deliberated by the House of Representatives. The bill seeks to settle overlapping roles in domestic maritime securities. There are multiple institutions in maritime securities including the Bakamla, the Water Police, the Indonesian Navy and the Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Ministry’s sea patrols.

The Natuna Sea in Indonesia’s northern maritime borders has come under the government’s attention due to reported illegal fishings by foreign ships at its 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone. Most recently, an Indonesian warship was in a close encounter with a Chinese coast guard who accompanied several Chinese fishing boats in the area.

https://jakartaglobe.id/news/indonesia-to-buy-bigger-boats-for-coast-guard

We will get big ship for our coast guard, bigger than KN Tanjung Datu. Nice.

F16 ✓.
Frigate ✓.
Kasel nya malah masuk tahap rumor lagi nih.

Five Indonesians abducted in Malaysian waters
Nunukan. N Kalimantan (ANTARA) - Five Indonesians of a fishing boat were abducted in the Tambisan waters in the Malaysian state of Sabah on Thursday, while three others were freed along with the wooden boat.

The Indonesian citizens were abducted not far away from the place where three Indonesians were kidnapped in the Tambisan waters, Tungku Lahad Datu, Malaysia, on September 23, last year, the Tambisan police noted in a written statement released on Saturday.

They were abducted on Thursday at 8 p.m. local time while catching fish using a wooden boat bearing registry permit number SSK 00543/F.

The Lahat Dato maritime police received a report of the abducted Indonesian sailors on Friday at 1:17 p.m. local time.

After receiving the report, the police sent some of its officers to the scene in search of the abducted Indonesians and spotted the boat moving in the direction of the Malaysian waters from the Philippines.

The boat was detected by the Tambisan ATM radar post on Friday at 9 p.m. local time.

The police seized the boat and conducted a search during which they found three crew members identified as Abdul Latif (37), Daeng Akbal (20), and Pian bin Janiru (36).

In the meantime, the five other Indonesians are identified as Arsyad bin Dahlan (42) as the skipper, Arizal Kastamiran (29), La Baa (32), Riswanto bin Hayono (27), and Edi bin Lawalopo (53) believed to have been held hostages.

The abduction came a day after Muhammad Farhan, an Indonesian held hostage by the Abu Sayyaf armed group in South Philippines, was successfully freed on Wednesday, Jan 15, 2020.

Farhan was rescued by the Philippine military in Baranggay Bato Bato, Indanan Sulu, the Indonesian Foreign Ministry noted in a written statement released on Thursday.

He is one of the three Indonesians abducted by the Abu Sayyaf group in the Tambisan waters, Lahad Datu, Malaysia, on September 23 last year.

Two other Indonesians were freed on December 22, 2019, during an operation launched by the Philippine military.

According to data from the Indonesian consulate in Tawau in the Malaysian state of Sabah, 39 Indonesians were abducted and held hostage by the Abu Sayyaf armed group during the period between 2003 and 2019.

Most victims were migrant workers abducted or held hostage while conducting activities in the waters off Sabah's eastern coast, Sulistijo Djati Ismojo, chief of the Indonesian consulate in Tawau, stated on Tuesday (Dec 24).

Of the total, 37 were freed, while one hostage died.
https://en.antaranews.com/amp/news/139878/five-indonesians-abducted-in-malaysian-waters
 
48rafale, scorpene gowind, smells like hoax to me
We don't have this kind shopping behavior, especially when we heavyly interested to viper, iver and u214
Let us just focus with the TNI wishlist presented to the DPR.



^^ Interesting is that TNI-AL wants an attack helicopter. Based from Alman Helvas recent tweets the quantity is a total of 8 units.
 
Indonesia to Buy Bigger Boats for Coast Guard

Jakarta. Indonesia plans to buy bigger boats to allow its coast guards to travel across the ocean, most notably the Natuna Sea, and expand their patrol reach, the government said on Friday.

The plan to buy ocean-going vessels was made after Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto had reportedly bought frigates for the Indonesian Navy from Denmark.

Maritime Affairs and Investment Coordinating Minister Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan said that the Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla), which soon becomes the country’s coast guard, will need ships the size of those Danish vessels.

"Mr. Prabowo has bought ocean-going vessels for the Navy from Denmark. They are between 138 meters and 150 meters in length and those frigates can sail across the ocean,” Luhut said at his office in Jakarta.

“After [the appointment of] Bakamla is completed, we want similar vessels as well. Probably not frigates, but we want our coast guard to be capable of sailing the Natuna Sea as well,” Luhut said.

The appointment of Bakamla as coast guard is mentioned in a bill being deliberated by the House of Representatives. The bill seeks to settle overlapping roles in domestic maritime securities. There are multiple institutions in maritime securities including the Bakamla, the Water Police, the Indonesian Navy and the Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Ministry’s sea patrols.

The Natuna Sea in Indonesia’s northern maritime borders has come under the government’s attention due to reported illegal fishings by foreign ships at its 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone. Most recently, an Indonesian warship was in a close encounter with a Chinese coast guard who accompanied several Chinese fishing boats in the area.

https://jakartaglobe.id/news/indonesia-to-buy-bigger-boats-for-coast-guard

We will get big ship for our coast guard, bigger than KN Tanjung Datu. Nice.

F16 ✓.
Frigate ✓.
Kasel nya malah masuk tahap rumor lagi nih.

Five Indonesians abducted in Malaysian waters
Nunukan. N Kalimantan (ANTARA) - Five Indonesians of a fishing boat were abducted in the Tambisan waters in the Malaysian state of Sabah on Thursday, while three others were freed along with the wooden boat.

The Indonesian citizens were abducted not far away from the place where three Indonesians were kidnapped in the Tambisan waters, Tungku Lahad Datu, Malaysia, on September 23, last year, the Tambisan police noted in a written statement released on Saturday.

They were abducted on Thursday at 8 p.m. local time while catching fish using a wooden boat bearing registry permit number SSK 00543/F.

The Lahat Dato maritime police received a report of the abducted Indonesian sailors on Friday at 1:17 p.m. local time.

After receiving the report, the police sent some of its officers to the scene in search of the abducted Indonesians and spotted the boat moving in the direction of the Malaysian waters from the Philippines.

The boat was detected by the Tambisan ATM radar post on Friday at 9 p.m. local time.

The police seized the boat and conducted a search during which they found three crew members identified as Abdul Latif (37), Daeng Akbal (20), and Pian bin Janiru (36).

In the meantime, the five other Indonesians are identified as Arsyad bin Dahlan (42) as the skipper, Arizal Kastamiran (29), La Baa (32), Riswanto bin Hayono (27), and Edi bin Lawalopo (53) believed to have been held hostages.

The abduction came a day after Muhammad Farhan, an Indonesian held hostage by the Abu Sayyaf armed group in South Philippines, was successfully freed on Wednesday, Jan 15, 2020.

Farhan was rescued by the Philippine military in Baranggay Bato Bato, Indanan Sulu, the Indonesian Foreign Ministry noted in a written statement released on Thursday.

He is one of the three Indonesians abducted by the Abu Sayyaf group in the Tambisan waters, Lahad Datu, Malaysia, on September 23 last year.

Two other Indonesians were freed on December 22, 2019, during an operation launched by the Philippine military.

According to data from the Indonesian consulate in Tawau in the Malaysian state of Sabah, 39 Indonesians were abducted and held hostage by the Abu Sayyaf armed group during the period between 2003 and 2019.

Most victims were migrant workers abducted or held hostage while conducting activities in the waters off Sabah's eastern coast, Sulistijo Djati Ismojo, chief of the Indonesian consulate in Tawau, stated on Tuesday (Dec 24).

Of the total, 37 were freed, while one hostage died.
https://en.antaranews.com/amp/news/139878/five-indonesians-abducted-in-malaysian-waters
We must sent guard to patrol near sulu
 
Malaysia and Philippine? Their lacks of equipments and commitments is too appaling
 

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