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British should take the responsible more than us, dividing peoples and land in the name of colonialism, and they also UN security board, what they do now for the bloodshed from their past conquistadore?
Well seeing the history look at Britain's legacy
1) Belfast - Ireland divides
2) Division of India Subcontinent and on going Indo Pakistani rivalry
3) Balfour agreement which today evolves into unending Israeli Palestine conflict
4) Apartheid regime which lasted from 1948 - 1990 were originally British colonial government regulations in Natal Province
5) And so on
 
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Well seeing the history look at Britain's legacy
1) Belfast - Ireland divides
2) Division of India Subcontinent and on going Indo Pakistani rivalry
3) Balfour agreement which today evolves into unending Israeli Palestine conflict
4) Apartheid regime which lasted from 1948 - 1990 were originally British colonial government regulations in Natal Province
5) And so on

Their legacy to nurture future conflict is beyond belief
 
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In yutub there are video about how brits make indo pak border, they divided many village only based by religion and they never go to there themself

As i reconnect the man who make indipak border is a lawyer and his surname redcliff

(I think kashmir issue 11-12 papua, yeah we must play smart
Like we still say Kosovo je srbija)
Kasmir is not papua BOY! Dont make bias opinion in international forum!

WHO claim papua beside Indonesia? Papua is Indonesia, you ever read Imagined Communities by ben anderson? How envy westernes see how etnic group in Indonesia merging as one nation and no other could do the same? Do you know what our nationalism spirit come from the spirit of kesamaan tujuan (the same purposes) not etnic, collour and language!

Back to school boy and learn more! Delete your shit!
 
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In yutub there are video about how brits make indo pak border, they divided many village only based by religion and they never go to there themself

As i reconnect the man who make indipak border is a lawyer and his surname redcliff

(I think kashmir issue 11-12 papua, yeah we must play smart
Like we still say Kosovo je srbija)
Britain & Netherlands developed different kinds of rule regarding colonial government whereas Britain endorsed the idea of home rule under Statute of Westminster ( 1931 ) and Self Governing entities based on ethnic and race, The Dutch imposed " unity " system under " Constituent Kingdom of Netherlands ", in Commonwealth Realms prior to 1940s for example; Governor General of Canada or Australia has no ties to London except for Crown even then the appointment based on local government advice to The Crown not by London however back in East Indies; Governor General of Dutch East Indies responsible to Ministry of Colonies and Overseas the case was the same to Dutch Constituent Kingdoms in Carribean ( they were given broader home rule however foreign policies and defence belongs to Netherlands untill nowadays ). So the case was Britain colonialism adopted divisive policies and self governing entities to its colonial subjects whereas Dutch opted for " unionism " the legacy we see ethnically diverse Indonesia yet united. As for West Papua, we have no Colonial Secretary drawing imaginary draft to divide the land the way UK divided and broke Indian subcontinent and Ireland; Dutch did try to create Federalised Republics but in the end Unionism triumphed. The case is clear in accordance to 1949 agreement Kingdom of Netherlands were supposed to hand over West Papua to Republic of Indonesia by following year however they failed to do so and so Operation Dwikora was commenced. No Kashmir is no West Papua, we have insurgency yet no foreign entity making claim as territory.
 
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In yutub there are video about how brits make indo pak border, they divided many village only based by religion and they never go to there themself

As i reconnect the man who make indipak border is a lawyer and his surname redcliff

(I think kashmir issue 11-12 papua, yeah we must play smart
Like we still say Kosovo je srbija)

**** this, i cant tolerate you anymore. Your rant is full of shit and to make it worse your English is much sucked than me.

Just please to listening first and made your homework first before starting to writing your diatribe
 
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In yutub there are video about how brits make indo pak border, they divided many village only based by religion and they never go to there themself

As i reconnect the man who make indipak border is a lawyer and his surname redcliff

(I think kashmir issue 11-12 papua, yeah we must play smart
Like we still say Kosovo je srbija)
You should carefull with balkan etnic cleansing compare to us! With your youtube references by unknown author, delete your reply ASAP

Meanwhile
https://www.airspace-review.com/201...km-mina-sejati-yang-dibajak-di-kepulauan-aru/

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KRI Teluk Lada-521 Bayang-bayangi KM Mina Sejati yang Dibajak di Kepulauan Aru

Posted on August 18, 2019 by Roni Sontani
AIRSPACE-REVIEW.com – Kapal perang Republik Indonesia (KRI) Teluk Lada-521 berhasil mendekati dan membayang-bayangi KM Mina Sejati yang diduga dibajak oleh Anak Buah Kapal (ABK)-nya sendiri.

KM Mina Sejati dibajak pada Sabtu (17/8) pukul 21.15 WIT di perairan Laut Dobo, Kabupaten Kepulauan Aru, Provinsi Maluku. Kapal yang dibajak berada pada posisi 06 59,500 S – 133 07,300 T.

Informasi pembajakan diterima oleh Pangkalan Utama TNI Angkatan Laut (Lantamal) X Ambon.

Mengetahui terjadinya aksi pembajakan kapal, Panglima Komando Armada III Laksamana Muda TNI I N.G. Ariawan langsung memerintahkan Komandan Gugus Tempur Laut (Guspurla) Koarmada III Laksamana Pertama TNI Rahmad Wahyudi dan Komandan Gugus Keamanan Laut (Guskamla) Koarmada III Laksamana Pertama TNI Agus Hariadi untuk mengerahkan unsur-unsurnya yang paling dekat dengan lokasi kejadian.

Unsur operasi Guspurla dan Guskamla Koarmada III yang saat itu berada paling dekat terhadap lokasi berjarak 125 mil laut yaitu KRI Teluk Lada-521 secepatnya bergerak menuju lokasi pada Minggu 18 Agustus 2019, pukul 07.00 WIT.

Operasi penyergapan baru dapat dilaksanakan pagi hari karena pada malam hari air masih surut dan cuaca tidak bersahabat.

Sesampaikan di lokasi, KRI Teluk Lada yang dikomandani Letkol Laut (P) Gunawan Hutauruk langsung membayang-bayangi dan mengamankan KM Mina Sejati. Kondisi saat itu cuaca masih kurang baik dan ombak laut masih tinggi.

KRI-Teluk-Lada-521.jpg

Tribun Lampung
Dinas Penerangan Koarmada III dalam rilis berita yang diterima Airspace Review menerangkan, KRI Teluk Lada berupaya melakukan komunikasi menggunakan radio dan isyarat lampu. Namun hal tersebut belum mendapat respons dari ABK KM Mina Sejati yang menguasai kapal.

Dari informasi yang berhasil dikumpulkan, KM Mina Sejati dibajak setelah terjadi insiden pertikaian antara sesama ABK.

Akibat dari kejadian tersebut, 13 orang ABK KM Mina Sejati menyelamatkan diri dengan cara menceburkan ke laut. Namun naas, dua orang di antara mereka meninggal dunia.

Sementara 11 orang lainnya selamat setelah dievakuasi oleh KM Samudera Gemilang dan KM Terus Jaya yang kebetulan berada di sekitar lokasi saat kejadian.

Dari keterangan 11 orang ABK yang berhasil diselamatkan, tiga orang ABK telah menguasai kapal.

Mereka membawa senjata tajam berupa samurai dan parang. Di dalam kapal masih terdapat 20 orang ABK lainnya yang masih disandera.

KRI-Teluk-Lada_.jpg

Kemhan
KRI Teluk Lada-521 merupakan kapal perang jenis Landing Ship Tank (LST) yang dioperasikan Koarmada III TNI AL untuk menjaga wilayah perairan Indonesia Timur.

Kapal buatan dalam negeri yaitu PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) Lampung ini merupakan kapal baru yang diserahterimakan DRU kepada Kementerian Pertahanan dan TNI AL pada 25 Februari 2019 lalu.

KRI Teluk Lada dirancang mampu mengangkut 15 unit tank BMP-3F dan satu unit helikopter.

Roni Sontani

Its Ironic but I still proud while sing a song "nenek moyangku" its a pirate hehehehehe...
 
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You should carefull with balkan etnic cleansing compare to us! With your youtube references by unknown author, delete your reply ASAP

Meanwhile
https://www.airspace-review.com/201...km-mina-sejati-yang-dibajak-di-kepulauan-aru/


Menu

KRI-Teluk-Lada.jpg
Istimewa
KRI Teluk Lada-521 Bayang-bayangi KM Mina Sejati yang Dibajak di Kepulauan Aru

Posted on August 18, 2019 by Roni Sontani
AIRSPACE-REVIEW.com – Kapal perang Republik Indonesia (KRI) Teluk Lada-521 berhasil mendekati dan membayang-bayangi KM Mina Sejati yang diduga dibajak oleh Anak Buah Kapal (ABK)-nya sendiri.

KM Mina Sejati dibajak pada Sabtu (17/8) pukul 21.15 WIT di perairan Laut Dobo, Kabupaten Kepulauan Aru, Provinsi Maluku. Kapal yang dibajak berada pada posisi 06 59,500 S – 133 07,300 T.

Informasi pembajakan diterima oleh Pangkalan Utama TNI Angkatan Laut (Lantamal) X Ambon.

Mengetahui terjadinya aksi pembajakan kapal, Panglima Komando Armada III Laksamana Muda TNI I N.G. Ariawan langsung memerintahkan Komandan Gugus Tempur Laut (Guspurla) Koarmada III Laksamana Pertama TNI Rahmad Wahyudi dan Komandan Gugus Keamanan Laut (Guskamla) Koarmada III Laksamana Pertama TNI Agus Hariadi untuk mengerahkan unsur-unsurnya yang paling dekat dengan lokasi kejadian.

Unsur operasi Guspurla dan Guskamla Koarmada III yang saat itu berada paling dekat terhadap lokasi berjarak 125 mil laut yaitu KRI Teluk Lada-521 secepatnya bergerak menuju lokasi pada Minggu 18 Agustus 2019, pukul 07.00 WIT.

Operasi penyergapan baru dapat dilaksanakan pagi hari karena pada malam hari air masih surut dan cuaca tidak bersahabat.

Sesampaikan di lokasi, KRI Teluk Lada yang dikomandani Letkol Laut (P) Gunawan Hutauruk langsung membayang-bayangi dan mengamankan KM Mina Sejati. Kondisi saat itu cuaca masih kurang baik dan ombak laut masih tinggi.

KRI-Teluk-Lada-521.jpg

Tribun Lampung
Dinas Penerangan Koarmada III dalam rilis berita yang diterima Airspace Review menerangkan, KRI Teluk Lada berupaya melakukan komunikasi menggunakan radio dan isyarat lampu. Namun hal tersebut belum mendapat respons dari ABK KM Mina Sejati yang menguasai kapal.

Dari informasi yang berhasil dikumpulkan, KM Mina Sejati dibajak setelah terjadi insiden pertikaian antara sesama ABK.

Akibat dari kejadian tersebut, 13 orang ABK KM Mina Sejati menyelamatkan diri dengan cara menceburkan ke laut. Namun naas, dua orang di antara mereka meninggal dunia.

Sementara 11 orang lainnya selamat setelah dievakuasi oleh KM Samudera Gemilang dan KM Terus Jaya yang kebetulan berada di sekitar lokasi saat kejadian.

Dari keterangan 11 orang ABK yang berhasil diselamatkan, tiga orang ABK telah menguasai kapal.

Mereka membawa senjata tajam berupa samurai dan parang. Di dalam kapal masih terdapat 20 orang ABK lainnya yang masih disandera.

KRI-Teluk-Lada_.jpg

Kemhan
KRI Teluk Lada-521 merupakan kapal perang jenis Landing Ship Tank (LST) yang dioperasikan Koarmada III TNI AL untuk menjaga wilayah perairan Indonesia Timur.

Kapal buatan dalam negeri yaitu PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) Lampung ini merupakan kapal baru yang diserahterimakan DRU kepada Kementerian Pertahanan dan TNI AL pada 25 Februari 2019 lalu.

KRI Teluk Lada dirancang mampu mengangkut 15 unit tank BMP-3F dan satu unit helikopter.

Roni Sontani

Its Ironic but I still proud while sing a song "nenek moyangku" its a pirate hehehehehe...
"Dibajak" well Journalist need to choose their wording carefully. I was under impression it was a pirate act, but turns out to be a mutiny. It will be interesting to see how we respond, is it a police jurisdiction? Bakamla? I am totally lost :D
 
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"Dibajak" well Journalist need to choose their wording carefully. I was under impression it was a pirate act, but turns out to be a mutiny. It will be interesting to see how we respond, is it a police jurisdiction? Bakamla? I am totally lost :D
I grow in generation of mutiny bro hehehe... Sometime in the midle of sea there are no other option for the crew to change or considerable of some situation doing what the best for all besides mutiny. Ussualy depends on ship potition and ship owner which juridiction will apply, but if there are emergency or SOS wired, the closes ship should come to asist
 
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Wow, did I hear it right? Defence/Kementrian Pertahanan Keamanan in 2020 budget literally have the highest budget of Rp 127.4T where Kementrian PUPR will have Rp 120T :chilli:. Deja Vu? Like SBY second term where he bought alot of Defence related things. So second term is a sweet spot for our defence budget :D


I grow in generation of mutiny bro hehehe... Sometime in the midle of sea there are no other option for the crew to change or considerable of some situation doing what the best for all besides mutiny. Ussualy depends on ship potition and ship owner which juridiction will apply, but if there are emergency or SOS wired, the closes ship should come to asist
LOL I hear you bro. About piracy; one of my dad friends who was a captain of a ship was sailing near somalia water back on SBY day. Pirate closing in, he shout for help on radio and was responded by military ship which "aksen" he recognized. Turns out it was an Indonesian Navy ship. After some Jawa timur talked (lol) over radio they helped the ship and the pirate sailed away. His ship was escorted, once he "sandar" the ship, he resigned the command and use plane to go home. He said to us "I was scared as hell". One of many story which didnt hit the media but the work of our navy-man should be recognized.

Well I assume KM is belong to Indonesia and it happened in Indonesia water. If the situation escalate and the live of the hostage is threaten will it be Police job? I am not sure if our Police special unit have the ablity to raid a ship. :D
 
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First of all i apologise about my comment i already deleted this because of many your complain.

First i write this, i didnt think that what i said offended you all.

I mention youtube a history about how British draw India border and divided between India and pakistan

This vid from Vox border series

Second about kosovo issue, many source said Indonesia stand with serbia and also serbia support us to became UN security member (CMIIW)


Yes, Indonesia has right in Papua, but many people challanged us and recently from "some people" supported separatist movement

I hope i can use this forum wisely, and i must think it more before post. Always remember me if I wrong. CMIIW as always

Sincerly
Ruhnama

Wah more spend on defense budget
:yahoo:
 
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Don't be too rough to Ruhnama guys, He only know a few things from the internet and history books, a good thing for all of you that have warned him and give explanations tho.

Many other Indonesian member know better regarding many things like internal politic, geopolitics, defence related stuff etc, just don't stick your nose in a sensitive issues.
Here is protip: don't trust everything you read or watch on the internet.

Gak masalah mau diskusi, tanya atau debat juga, asal bener, kalau isu papua itu isu sensitif mending kamu ikutan bicara yang ringan ringan saja dulu. Gak bener kalau bilang Papua itu wilayah sengketa seperti wilayah X, Y atau Z.
Jangan ikut nimbrung juga kalau ada "konflik debat" dengan member dari negara lain.
Selow aja, testing the water aja dulu.
 
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Thank you jek_sperrow

Btw
Are Pindad or Sari Bahana can make RPG 7 or carl gustav ammo?
 
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Wow, did I hear it right? Defence/Kementrian Pertahanan Keamanan in 2020 budget literally have the highest budget of Rp 127.4T where Kementrian PUPR will have Rp 120T :chilli:. Deja Vu? Like SBY second term where he bought alot of Defence related things. So second term is a sweet spot for our defence budget :D



LOL I hear you bro. About piracy; one of my dad friends who was a captain of a ship was sailing near somalia water back on SBY day. Pirate closing in, he shout for help on radio and was responded by military ship which "aksen" he recognized. Turns out it was an Indonesian Navy ship. After some Jawa timur talked (lol) over radio they helped the ship and the pirate sailed away. His ship was escorted, once he "sandar" the ship, he resigned the command and use plane to go home. He said to us "I was scared as hell". One of many story which didnt hit the media but the work of our navy-man should be recognized.

Well I assume KM is belong to Indonesia and it happened in Indonesia water. If the situation escalate and the live of the hostage is threaten will it be Police job? I am not sure if our Police special unit have the ablity to raid a ship. :D
Ussually first respon is police coz its still civilian problem but if it happent in international water, military can be the best option coz police limited operational only inside national water, there are two law in international water, the ship where the ship listed and registered and the law where the captain and crew nationality are. But for piracy.... all damn law from any parties can be throw uppon them. Because in the international waters you can say as no man's water

Is a bit tricky talking law in the sea, sometime to avoid certain law like baby abortion some docter do the practice in the sea (international water) or gambling or etc, but sometime to bring a ship and crew to justice we must wait them to enter some water (internal water) that the country have an extradition agreement with us
 
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What wrong with Papua and Papuans? It looks there are no good damage control system by police and military in that provinces... You failed to manage Papua and to satisfy them for almost 50 years . So. It Will better to let them Free as you did to East Timor...:tup::tup::tup:
 
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