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Politics, converting SU35 to F16V can surely bring ammo to domestic opposition which can create a mess on this politics "cooling down" after election period. And I believe we all know how the perception going towards usa inside our own population and inside own military faction. Some military personal who had strived on embargo era most likely dont want this to happen. Or at the very least opposing in a strong manner which create another problems. So expect longer delay :D

Politics aside, I am not sure whats going on rusky military industry as general. I know some of them have been hit hard with economic downfall, embargo, etc. But the recent offer to India which include subs, SU-57 joint development, etc might reflect how their def industry shape now. Its like "obral", "rindu order", which is not common for them in relation to their culture. This brings me up to your statement "...not to mention that we rely on unreliable and sanctioned supplier...". Perhaps looking at it making me feel like the chance of getting it becoming smaller. Their weaken military industry (if its the case) can reduce and limit our option/leverage in dealing stuffs. I think SBY knows this by doing heavy purchased from them, but it takes two to tango. Perhaps in this case they might not know how to tango :D
Only Russian fanboys will be affected by the decision to trade Su-35 for F-16V, many TNI-AU officers actually prefers Vipers over Su-35, i'd argue that the minority faction in the Kemhan and TNI is actually the Su-35 supporters, if not then there will be incentive to prioritize Su-35 acquisition, but there isn't, it's mostly just RR who repeatedly said things about "it will come soon" but nothing happened. Embargo era baby-boomers did have some worry about embargo and shit, but let's face it, other choices simply don't make much sense, and consider that it's no Orba, there's no real issue about Indonesian government, and that the Pacific is getting hotter. US is not that stupid to embargo a potential partner in diplomacy of the region, the recent diplomat assignment is one sign of that, they would not consider us for Vipers and "Joint Strike Fighter" if they are that embargo-happy.

Also, none of Indonesian faction truly are pro-China or Russia, even some most staunch opposition figure are US educated and some even openly supports "westernisasi", i personallu disagree with that, but you get the figure.

Russia today is not that "thousand tanks, hundred planes" Russia, it's now "hundreds tanks, dozens planes, budget cut" Russia. Even HAL AMCA/SU-57 cooperation with India was terminated, and India now seeking another partner for advanced fighter program, Tempest program with UK is their prime choice now (remember that European programs are prone to "problems"), the Hyped T-14 Armata? barely over 100 ordered, in a country who in it's heyday build 1000 tanks like no tomorrow. Unless you are China or India, hoarding Russian stuff is risky and troublesome, there's no doubt of that, furthermore their industry is severely weakened by stagnating economy, budget cuts and economic+diplomatic sanctions, what else would go you through for just 11 Su-35s?
Some suggest, not me, others. Since EDA ( Excess Defense Article ) 24 F-16 C/D are placed on new 16th Squadron in Roesmin Nurjadin AFB, Pekanbaru while roughly at same period of time F-5E in 14th Squadron are retired. Actually their roles already assumed by newer F-16s we earned thus 500 Millions US$ should be best allocated on maximal upgrades ( top tape of MLU ) on all F-16s fleet we have. However should we insist to replace 14th Squadron with newer aircrafts better allocate / arrange loans fully for new fighter while the previously 500 Millions US$ budget goes to maximise upgrades & arms for existing F-16s. However that's just personal opinion
I would prefer MLU, MRO and munitions purchase to be of a separate budget entirely, getting more airframes is important for the sake of MEF and delaying it would be a trouble in the long-term. I support the idea of getting more planes as the priority, as soon there will be quite a lot of vacant slot due to the retirement of Hawks and Tigers, while at the same time not committing enough to the Viper idea would get us in the far back line of Lockheed Martin's production queue, they won't come within MEF 3's timeframe. Also take note that whatever it's Su-35, F-16V etc..they are expected to come before KFX/IFX program finished, as we will be busy with IFX's acquisition by then, having the Viper deal unfinished by 2024 will be a trouble.
 
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Government drafts regulations on use of unmanned aircraft
17th Jul 2019 20:24

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Head of the Research and Development Agency (Balitbang) at the Ministry of Transportation (Kemenhub), Sugihardjo. (ANTARA/ Juwita Trisna Rahayu)

Jakarta (ANTARA) - The government is drafting regulations on the use of unmanned aircraft systems, or drones.

"Comprehensive regulations are needed following the widespread use of drones and their affordable prices," Head of the Research and Development Agency of the Ministry of Transportation Sugihardjo said in Jakarta on Wednesday.

Furthermore, drones are widely used in other sectors, such as agriculture, mining, and aeromodelling hobbies.

"The growth of drone sales in Indonesia has increased, along with the promotion of cheap and easy-to-get drones. The price of drones, ranging from 100,000 to tens of millions of rupiah, can be found in local online stores. Starting from toy drones, racing drones, to professional drones," Sugihardjo stated.

Related news: Indonesia to operate unmanned aircraft

The Indonesian government has issued several regulations to regulate the use of drones in Indonesian airspace, as stated in the Minister of Transportation Regulation Number PM 180 of 2015 concerning the control of the operation of unmanned aircraft systems in the airspace served by Indonesia and CASR part 107 small unmanned aircraft systems.

The Research and Development Agency of the Ministry of Transportation has discussed draft regulations related to the use of drones, hoping that it could provide space in the use of new technology, thus ensuring the safety of flights.

The government is obliged to anticipate the development of the use of drone technology in Indonesia by drafting regulations, such as the certification of drone pilots; registration and certification of drones; provisions for the operation and supervision of drones; regulation and supervision of air space in the operation of drones; licensing for the use of drones for air transport; preparation of infrastructure and facilities supporting the operation of drones at airports; flight safety supervision in the use of drones; and needed insurance when operating drones.

Related news: BNPB uses drones to monitor Mount Agung
Related news: BNPB to use drones for humanitarian disaster response
Related news: Indonesia, US strengthen cooperation on unmanned aircraft system
Editor: Sri Haryati

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Just an intermezzo, We need to regulate the usage of commercial drones, in middle East they had been armed and being used to attack military installation with such precision
 
Government drafts regulations on use of unmanned aircraft
17th Jul 2019 20:24

C1804858-5634-42BD-9EB3-52188F78DCCB.jpeg

Head of the Research and Development Agency (Balitbang) at the Ministry of Transportation (Kemenhub), Sugihardjo. (ANTARA/ Juwita Trisna Rahayu)

Jakarta (ANTARA) - The government is drafting regulations on the use of unmanned aircraft systems, or drones.

"Comprehensive regulations are needed following the widespread use of drones and their affordable prices," Head of the Research and Development Agency of the Ministry of Transportation Sugihardjo said in Jakarta on Wednesday.

Furthermore, drones are widely used in other sectors, such as agriculture, mining, and aeromodelling hobbies.

"The growth of drone sales in Indonesia has increased, along with the promotion of cheap and easy-to-get drones. The price of drones, ranging from 100,000 to tens of millions of rupiah, can be found in local online stores. Starting from toy drones, racing drones, to professional drones," Sugihardjo stated.

Related news: Indonesia to operate unmanned aircraft

The Indonesian government has issued several regulations to regulate the use of drones in Indonesian airspace, as stated in the Minister of Transportation Regulation Number PM 180 of 2015 concerning the control of the operation of unmanned aircraft systems in the airspace served by Indonesia and CASR part 107 small unmanned aircraft systems.

The Research and Development Agency of the Ministry of Transportation has discussed draft regulations related to the use of drones, hoping that it could provide space in the use of new technology, thus ensuring the safety of flights.

The government is obliged to anticipate the development of the use of drone technology in Indonesia by drafting regulations, such as the certification of drone pilots; registration and certification of drones; provisions for the operation and supervision of drones; regulation and supervision of air space in the operation of drones; licensing for the use of drones for air transport; preparation of infrastructure and facilities supporting the operation of drones at airports; flight safety supervision in the use of drones; and needed insurance when operating drones.

Related news: BNPB uses drones to monitor Mount Agung
Related news: BNPB to use drones for humanitarian disaster response
Related news: Indonesia, US strengthen cooperation on unmanned aircraft system
Editor: Sri Haryati

COPYRIGHT © ANTARA 2019


Just an intermezzo, We need to regulate the usage of commercial drones, in middle East they had been armed and being used to attack military installation with such precision
there was a drone who actually get shooted down by authorities when the presidential election trial ongoing if i remember

talking about drone
how's the progress with TAI ANKA ? they pridefully stamp indonesian flag in their product at indodefence expo , im always watch their modus operandi video uploaded to youtube doing reconnaissance mission to track kurdish rebel , seems like a very capable product

they've also test their drone mockup at BPPT BBTA3 tangerang wind tunnel facilities
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Old Denmark proposals on OMT products such as Absalon Class support vessel, Iver Huitfeldt Class frigate and Knud Rassmusen Class OPV
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" Fee itu biasa "
From 800,000 US$ to 2,500,000 US$
Some stupid corruption story on Scorpio Tank from Gatra article 2004
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kind of this thing (corruption on defence contract) actually always happened not just on our country
 
kind of this thing (corruption on defence contract) actually always happened not just on our country
I understand fee on prime equipments acquisitions but from 800,000 US$ to 2,500,000 US$. That's abnormal and bullish one
 
That's why long ago i said we should lobby south africa for development of umkhonto missile , the finnish hamina class had like 8 cell VLS for umkhonto
South Africa from what i read , their weapon too expensive for ToT (CMIIW)
That's what he said.

I understand fee on prime equipments acquisitions but from 800,000 US$ to 2,500,000 US$. That's abnormal and bullish one
Oknum anggota dewan terhormat : "LOL Noob"


As non russian fanboys it is sad if su35 purchase to be terminated, F16 is a good jet fighter, relatively cheap to maintain and operate, even our technician can upgrade it here, but we need non western jet too.
Because of US embargoes in the past we started to operate Flankers and when we want to get the newest version of Flanker E the US threathened to give sanctions, sounds like more reason for us to get more Russian stuff.

More sukhoi = good
More F16 = good
More F16 + anti embargoes card = GOOD
 
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That's what he said.


Oknum anggota dewan terhormat : "LOL Noob"


As non russian fanboys it is sad if su35 purchase to be terminated, F16 is a good jet fighter, relatively cheap to maintain and operate, even our technician can upgrade it here, but we need non western jet too.
Because of US embargoes in the past we started to operate Flankers and when we want to get the newest version of Flanker E the US threathened to give sanctions, sounds like more reason for us to get more Russian stuff.

More sukhoi = good
More F16 = good
More F16 + anti embargoes card = GOOD

It's not we need " non western jet ", we need something realistically suitable with our spending, economic enough to operate in large number, friendly transfer of technology / offset scheme under Act no 16 2012, well integrated under future plan for " network centric warfare " you either can modify Flankers with Israeli/French assistance like India or Malaysia do or invests on IFF for all ground based radars and let ground based system integrate Flankers the way Vietnamese does or another option just terminate them all slowly untill they pass out one by one, btw that sanctions ( CAATSA ) of procuring Russian items wouldn't have been exist had Russia back in 2014 didn't illegaly annex Sevastopol peninsula. That job to keeps out " embargo " belongs to Ministry of Foreign Affairs and how we conduct ourself maturely in 21st geopolitical world.
 
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That's what he said.


Oknum anggota dewan terhormat : "LOL Noob"


As non russian fanboys it is sad if su35 purchase to be terminated, F16 is a good jet fighter, relatively cheap to maintain and operate, even our technician can upgrade it here, but we need non western jet too.
Because of US embargoes in the past we started to operate Flankers and when we want to get the newest version of Flanker E the US threathened to give sanctions, sounds like more reason for us to get more Russian stuff.

More sukhoi = good
More F16 = good
More F16 + anti embargoes card = GOOD

Why not playing smart by creating your own fighter by coorperation with some tier 2 countries. IMHO, coorperation on KFX is very important, but should not the only project we do. We need to build a more cheaper to operate and build light fighter and patroller jet fighter , capable enough to do supersonic speed match 1,2-1,5, capable to carry 2 to 4 tonnes ordnance of bombs or weapons, and sufficient avionic system on board, no need for too fancy stuff. Well something like steroid version of SOKO G4 GALEB cames in my mind.

My self kinda frustated with our projected of force building especially for the Air Force. With our large teritory, large economy and industrial complexes, it is quite surprising since New Order we are maintain an Air Force comparable to the force of Sub Saharan African.
 
Why not playing smart by creating your own fighter by coorperation with some tier 2 countries. IMHO, coorperation on KFX is very important, but should not the only project we do. We need to build a more cheaper to operate and build light fighter and patroller jet fighter , capable enough to do supersonic speed match 1,2-1,5, capable to carry 2 to 4 tonnes ordnance of bombs or weapons, and sufficient avionic system on board, no need for too fancy stuff. Well something like steroid version of SOKO G4 GALEB cames in my mind.

My self kinda frustated with our projected of force building especially for the Air Force. With our large teritory, large economy and industrial complexes, it is quite surprising since New Order we are maintain an Air Force comparable to the force of Sub Saharan African.
For me, i stop being care on whatever to replace 14th Squadron. It's been up and down then with all the promises that they would arrive next year and then so on, so on since 2014 untill you find yourself by mid 2019 and still nothing achieved.
 
Why not playing smart by creating your own fighter by coorperation with some tier 2 countries. IMHO, coorperation on KFX is very important, but should not the only project we do. We need to build a more cheaper to operate and build light fighter and patroller jet fighter , capable enough to do supersonic speed match 1,2-1,5, capable to carry 2 to 4 tonnes ordnance of bombs or weapons, and sufficient avionic system on board, no need for too fancy stuff. Well something like steroid version of SOKO G4 GALEB cames in my mind.

My self kinda frustated with our projected of force building especially for the Air Force. With our large teritory, large economy and industrial complexes, it is quite surprising since New Order we are maintain an Air Force comparable to the force of Sub Saharan African.
and rather wasting the budget on bela negara stuff , human waves with bamboo roentjing strategy
 
Why not playing smart by creating your own fighter by coorperation with some tier 2 countries. IMHO, coorperation on KFX is very important, but should not the only project we do. We need to build a more cheaper to operate and build light fighter and patroller jet fighter , capable enough to do supersonic speed match 1,2-1,5, capable to carry 2 to 4 tonnes ordnance of bombs or weapons, and sufficient avionic system on board, no need for too fancy stuff. Well something like steroid version of SOKO G4 GALEB cames in my mind.

My self kinda frustated with our projected of force building especially for the Air Force. With our large teritory, large economy and industrial complexes, it is quite surprising since New Order we are maintain an Air Force comparable to the force of Sub Saharan African.

I am not sure about us making our own fighter, even the smaller version. Unless we can push economic growth above 7%+ in the next couple of years I dont see ourselves being able to afford it financially. N219 is one good example, as now PT.DI having problem rising money for the production line. Having the technology to build fighter is expensive, producing it is expensive, and like I said before if we can't buy around 100++ of our own fighter products then the economic scale wouldnt be met thus making the price expensive and unable to compete in the market.

If we really want to make a fighter then push the KFX/IFX contribution to 50% and loby LM to share the design calculation, source code, etc, the same way they gave Korea. With Korea buying 120+ and us 48+ This would make the "Project" economically sustainable. I dont know if we can afford it, but if we really want it then this is the best way to leap in fighter technology. Further "ketengan" development will benefit us less as aviation technology is moving fast, and once we finish our "ketengan" development the technology we acquired might already be old if not absolete. For example: The great Indian Teja's :D
 
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and rather wasting the budget on bela negara stuff
I am not sure about us making our own fighter, even the smaller version. Unless we can push economic growth above 7%+ in the next couple of years I dont see ourselves being able to afford it financially. N219 is one good example, as now PT.DI having problem rising money for the production line. Having the technology to build fighter is expensive, producing it is expensive, and like I said before if we can't buy around 100++ of our own fighter products then the economic scale wouldnt be met thus making the price expensive and unable to compete in the market.

If we really want to make a fighter then push the KFX/IFX contribution to 50% and loby LM to share the design calculation, source code, etc, the same way they gave Korea. With Korea buying 120+ and us 48+ This would make the "Project" economically sustainable. I dont know if we can afford it, but if we really want it then this is the best way to leap in fighter technology. Further "ketengan" development will benefit us less as aviation technology is moving fast, and once we finish our "ketengan" development the technology we acquired might already be old if not absolete. For example: The great Indian Teja's :D

kinda sad to hear about our production line government lack of support , is there any project to build new production line for PT-DI ? , they even reject the recent plane order from philippines because they're not sure if they can deliver the plane in the specified time


Great news indeed and its molten salt reactor
 

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