Indonesia Aerospace Forum

[Indos]

Indonesia Wind Tunnel Testing Facility and 30 years of experience.

 

[Indos]

N 219 competitor from USA, Cessna Sky Courier, first flight

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...5-17/cessna-skycourier-completes-first-flight

 

[Nilgiri]

N 219 competitor from USA, Cessna Sky Courier, first flight

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...5-17/cessna-skycourier-completes-first-flight

Any idea of the cost of this one and N219?

 

[Indos]

Any idea of the cost of this one and N219?

Relatively the same if you see the wikipedia page, around 5.5 million dollar. Based on recent contract, PTDI sold 4 N 219 to Aceh province for 6 million dollar each.

 

[SgtGungHo]

MALE UAV Drone Black Eagle (2016-on going) Together with other consortium members

Does the UAV have a turboprop or just a diesel engine like MQ-1C Grey Eagle and Turkish drones? Many thanks.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Does the UAV have a turboprop or just a diesel engine like MQ-1C Grey Eagle and Turkish drones? Many thanks.

It will use engine from Rotax Austria, its either 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine. I can't find additional info regarding the engine model.
Could be Rotax 914 (same engine used in Hermes, Heron and Predator).

 

[SgtGungHo]

It will use engine from Rotax Austria, its either 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine. I can't find additional info regarding the engine model.

Thank you. I don't think it would be a 2 stroke engine for that size and I suspect it would be the same engine as MQ-1 Predator which has been a popular choice for UAV of this class. Interesting. Is there any particular feature that separates Indonesian MUAV from existing UAVs?

 

[Indos]

Thank you. I don't think it would be a 2 stroke engine for that size and I suspect it would be the same engine as MQ-1 Predator which has been a popular choice for UAV of this class. Interesting. Is there any particular feature that separates Indonesian MUAV from existing UAVs?

Dont have any idea.

This is the specification that I got from CNN Indonesia, dont know the reliability though

https://www.cnnindonesia.com/teknol...one-pertahanan-elang-hitam-buatan-anak-bangsa

 

[NEKONEKO]

Thank you. I don't think it would be a 2 stroke engine for that size and I suspect it would be the same engine as MQ-1 Predator which has been a popular choice for UAV of this class. Interesting. Is there any particular feature that separates Indonesian MUAV from existing UAVs?

Nothing special, it will just be a mediocore one compared with UAV's that's already on the market.
But for our first locally built and designed UAV, its a nice steeping stone for our UAV industry. It will help local company to grow and develop all sub-system needed.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Dont have any idea.

This is the specification that I got from CNN Indonesia, dont know the reliability though


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https://www.cnnindonesia.com/teknol...one-pertahanan-elang-hitam-buatan-anak-bangsa

Thank you for the information. They are helpful.

Nothing special, it will just be a mediocore one compared with UAV's that's already on the market.
But for our first locally built and designed UAV, its a nice steeping stone for our UAV industry. It will help local company to grow and develop all sub-system needed.

I agree the project is a great stepping stone for Indonesian aerospace industry. However, I wouldn't say the drone is a medicore based on the specs provided by @Indos. I find them quite interesting.

For instance, the Indonesian MUAV is expected to have operating range of 250km, payload of 300kg and cruise speed of 235km/h according to the report and that is better than Turkish Anka (OR : 210km, Payload : 200kg, Cruise Speed : 204km/h). However, I believe this is due to the fact that Turkish drone carries a better (and heavier) surveillance system and other heavy subsystems as the Turkish drone has higher max. take-off weight of 1,600 kg (vs. 1,115kg).

In the end, It seems Indonesia is building a drone that meets their requirements. Nothing inferior. Just different.

 

[Indos]

Senegal bought another CN 235 for MPA role from Indonesia. The contract was signed in Senegal this May. The picture below was taken in March this year when Senegal delegation visited the construction of their CN 235 previous order.

The news is in Indonesian (bahasa).

https://www.antaranews.com/berita/1...linya-senegal-beli-pesawat-cn-235-buatan-ptdi

 

[SgtGungHo]

Senegal bought another CN 235 for MPA role from Indonesia. The contract was signed in Senegal this May. The picture below was taken in March this year when Senegal delegation visited the construction of their CN 235 previous order.

The news is in Indonesian (bahasa).

https://www.antaranews.com/berita/1...linya-senegal-beli-pesawat-cn-235-buatan-ptdi

Do you know any reason why Senegal did not order CASA C-295? According to Wiki, it is cheaper and obviously a newer and better tactical military aircraft.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Do you know any reason why Senegal did not order CASA C-295? According to Wiki, it is cheaper and obviously a newer and better tactical military aircraft.

Apart from CN 235 Indonesia also manufacture CN 295, why PT DI instead of CASA? Lobby maybe. Why 235 instead 295? Maybe they prefer the smaller aircraft? :v

 

[Indos]

Do you know any reason why Senegal did not order CASA C-295? According to Wiki, it is cheaper and obviously a newer and better tactical military aircraft.

I dont think the number in Wikipedia is correct. According to the latest (2018) CN 295 deal for Indonesian police (transport role), we need to buy it for 45 million USD while latest price for CN 235 (transport role) is 37 million USD. The price is stated by Indonesia Aerospace Marketing Director

https://jakarta.tribunnews.com/2018...cn295-yang-dibeli-polri-sekitar-rp-670-miliar

Our CN 235 MPA plane is also opened for customization so the avionics set up is not sticky, this some how is preferred by some customers.

Aside from cheaper price, the chosen may also come from the need to operate smaller aircraft like what @NEKONEKO has pointed out. Brotherhood feeling may play as well in the choosing. Satisfaction with the previous order and service also become another point that prompt the latest order as Senegal has previously bought 4 CN 235 from Indonesia (2 second hand and 2 new plane) with 3 of the planes has already been operated by them.

 

[SgtGungHo]

I dont think the number in Wikipedia is correct. According to the latest (2018) CN 295 deal for Indonesian police (transport role), we need to buy it for 45 million USD while latest price for CN 235 (transport role) is 37 million USD. The price is stated by Indonesia Aerospace Marketing Director

https://jakarta.tribunnews.com/2018...cn295-yang-dibeli-polri-sekitar-rp-670-miliar

Our CN 235 MPA plane is also opened for customization so the avionics set up is not sticky, this some how is preferred by some customers.

Aside from cheaper price, the chosen may also come from the need to operate smaller aircraft like what @NEKONEKO has pointed out. Brotherhood feeling may play as well in the choosing. Satisfaction with the previous order and service also become another point that prompt the latest order as Senegal has previously bought 4 CN 235 from Indonesia (2 second hand and 2 new plane) with 3 of the planes has already been operated by them.

Thank for your information. Someone has to update that wiki page.

However, according to this news
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...gets_new_C_295M_plane_from_Spain#.Xs6GxTr7Q2w

Philippines is acquiring a new C-295 for PHP1.8 billion (USD $35.6m). If this is true, then Indonesia is either paying more money for their C-295 or Philippines is getting a bargain. Plus, C-295 is superior in almost every aspect and I can't see a logical reason to go for a C-235 if the prices were the same.

However, I think you are right. Senegal is happy with their fleet of C-235 and I believe that's the reason why they re-ordered the same aircraft. Indonesia has a compelling aircraft that even the US operates.