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The United States of America is, once again, not managing its relations with India well. Gains made during George W. Bush’s presidency in building strategic trust between the two countries are being steadily frittered away by wrong steps taken by the Obama administration, which seems to have taken its eyes off the India ball. Blame for this is being laid at India’s door, with the argument that India has not lived up to American expectations, that we have been sitting on the fence, unwilling to grasp firmly the hand extended by the US because of our non-aligned obsessions resurfacing as “strategic autonomy”.

Such talk assumes that India has to meet certain benchmarks set by the US in order to be a valuable partner — that is, to earn favour by behaving according to the US script. In this equation, the US is not required to live up to India’s expectations. In reality, if the two countries have to build a meaningful strategic partnership, it cannot be a one-sided affair, with one side under pressure to give and the other expecting to take.

Indian and American critics of India’s lack of strategic initiative believe that the US’s role in lifting nuclear sanctions on India obliges us to continually offer rewards to the Americans in our defence and nuclear sectors, carry out economic reforms in accordance with US wishes and priorities, and make our foreign and security policies increasingly congruent with those of the US. Such thinking misses the important point that, apart from extracting major Indian concessions with regard to India’s nuclear autonomy, the larger US objective was to win India to its side in the face of the new strategic challenges facing US power in Asia with the rise of China, the need for burden-sharing in upholding the post-1945 international system because of the depletion of its military and economic strength caused by wars and financial mismanagement.

Has the US, as part of an equitable strategic bargain, adjusted its options in dealing with issues that are sensitive for India? It has not entirely given up balancing its relationships with India and Pakistan, even though India does not support ideologies and actors that oppose US values and interests and take the lives of its citizens. The US continues to provide military support to Pakistan. It is reaching out to the Taliban with the assistance of the Pakistani military, whose only instrument of political influence in Afghanistan is the former. Legitimizing the Taliban’s political role in Afghanistan, even as the Pakistani Taliban are threatening Pakistan’s internal peace, is to leave behind acute problems for India, already the victim of jihadi terrorism.

A positive feature of India-US ties in recent years is the better alignment of their policies towards South Asian countries (barring Pakistan). However, the US, in furtherance of its democracy and human rights agenda, has lately taken a divergent course. Any strategic partnership has to show particular sensitivity to the regional interests of partner countries. The US has targeted Sri Lanka in the United Nations Human Rights Council at Geneva, leaving India little choice but to go along as the US initiative opened the doors to pressures by regional lobbies within India on the Central government to support international moves to condemn Sri Lanka.

More recently, the US’s criticism of the election process in Bangladesh — which gives comfort to Begum Khaleda Zia and her extremist allies and undermines politically the secular-minded Sheikh Hasina — is not in tune with India’s interests. That the US should be politically protective of forces in Bangladesh that are unfriendly towards India betrays a failure of strategic understanding on developments in Bangladesh that are in the interest of the region. The US has, surprisingly, lauded Begum Zia and her Jamaat allies in the past as representing “moderate Islam”. Now that Sheikh Hasina is seeking to exorcise Islamist elements and build a truly moderate polity in the country, the US is disapproving of her politics, faulty though it may be in some respects.

The US ignores China’s strategic links with Pakistan, including their nuclear cooperation, even as it expects India to be the lynchpin of its re-balancing towards Asia. This essentially means that the western Pacific region, where American power is being challenged by China. We have come under enormous pressure from the US to dilute our already limited relationship with Iran in a bid to further isolate that country, disregarding our genuine strategic interests in that country, both in terms of long-term energy security and transit routes to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Another instance of the US assaulting India’s dignity, without control mechanisms being triggered from the top, has been the Devyani Khobragade case. The US is unwilling to bring a closure to this issue even now, despite the huge set-back administered to bilateral ties. On the economic side, from a political position that the several India-US economic dialogues were strategic in nature as building Indian capacities in various fields was intended, we have now the US corporate lobby targeting India on patents and compulsory licensing issues related to intellectual property rights as well as those of market access. The US Chamber of Commerce is demanding that the US trade representative classify India as a “priority foreign country”, a status reserved for the worst IPR offenders, which can lead potentially to trade sanctions. The US international trade commission is undertaking a year-long investigation into the effect on the US economy and IPR protection of India’s trade, investment and industrial policies — an unjustifiable case of arm-twisting from the Indian point of view, given that Indian decisions are compliant with the agreement on trade-related aspects of IPR, and the US remains unresponsive to many Indian complaints on trade and services issues. On patent and compulsory licensing, the US that swears by due process is questioning the legitimacy of our Supreme Court’s judgments.

The treatment of Narendra Modi by the US also shows the ineptitude of American diplomacy on a domestic Indian political issue it could have stayed away from. Rather than dealing pragmatically with the visa issue, the US has taken a doggedly ideological position; even intensive investigative and legal processes have failed to incriminate Modi. The belated good sense shown by the Europeans in ending their ostracism of Modi has been emulated by the Americans with diplomatic clumsiness. Even as the US ambassador to India met Modi, the state department announced that there was no change in the US position on the visa question. The statement from the US embassy, that the ambassador also discussed human-rights issues with Modi, was intended to signal that this subject continues to weigh with the US while dealing with Modi — an unnecessary befuddlement if the idea is to make up with him. It seems that the US wants to hedge its bets on Modi, making the gesture of reaching out to him in case he might win, but keeping the visa-denial issue alive in case he loses. This is hardly serious diplomacy.

If the US had judged the importance of India in its strategic calculus during Bush Junior’s presidency, and if President Obama’s rhetoric about the relationship with India being a defining one for the 21st century was meant, then the current inattention towards India shows the strategic fitfulness of the Americans, who emphasize quick gains over patience in obtaining returns from a key investment in a longer-term perspective.

Strategic Miscalculations » Indian Defence Review
 
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Its India's fault as well as the US. India, your policies are full of holes. You cant expect the Us to bend over backward when you are in serious need of help as well. You are calculating your position as being too important...when the fact is you are not. You have potential but many issues need to be resolved.



The US is and wil always continue to look out for its interests first and foremost. You Indians need to see the big picture.
 
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The United States of America is, once again, not managing its relations with India well. Gains made during George W. Bush’s presidency in building strategic trust between the two countries are being steadily frittered away by wrong steps taken by the Obama administration, which seems to have taken its eyes off the India ball. Blame for this is being laid at India’s door, with the argument that India has not lived up to American expectations, that we have been sitting on the fence, unwilling to grasp firmly the hand extended by the US because of our non-aligned obsessions resurfacing as “strategic autonomy”.

Such talk assumes that India has to meet certain benchmarks set by the US in order to be a valuable partner — that is, to earn favour by behaving according to the US script. In this equation, the US is not required to live up to India’s expectations. In reality, if the two countries have to build a meaningful strategic partnership, it cannot be a one-sided affair, with one side under pressure to give and the other expecting to take.

Indian and American critics of India’s lack of strategic initiative believe that the US’s role in lifting nuclear sanctions on India obliges us to continually offer rewards to the Americans in our defence and nuclear sectors, carry out economic reforms in accordance with US wishes and priorities, and make our foreign and security policies increasingly congruent with those of the US. Such thinking misses the important point that, apart from extracting major Indian concessions with regard to India’s nuclear autonomy, the larger US objective was to win India to its side in the face of the new strategic challenges facing US power in Asia with the rise of China, the need for burden-sharing in upholding the post-1945 international system because of the depletion of its military and economic strength caused by wars and financial mismanagement.

Has the US, as part of an equitable strategic bargain, adjusted its options in dealing with issues that are sensitive for India? It has not entirely given up balancing its relationships with India and Pakistan, even though India does not support ideologies and actors that oppose US values and interests and take the lives of its citizens. The US continues to provide military support to Pakistan. It is reaching out to the Taliban with the assistance of the Pakistani military, whose only instrument of political influence in Afghanistan is the former. Legitimizing the Taliban’s political role in Afghanistan, even as the Pakistani Taliban are threatening Pakistan’s internal peace, is to leave behind acute problems for India, already the victim of jihadi terrorism.

A positive feature of India-US ties in recent years is the better alignment of their policies towards South Asian countries (barring Pakistan). However, the US, in furtherance of its democracy and human rights agenda, has lately taken a divergent course. Any strategic partnership has to show particular sensitivity to the regional interests of partner countries. The US has targeted Sri Lanka in the United Nations Human Rights Council at Geneva, leaving India little choice but to go along as the US initiative opened the doors to pressures by regional lobbies within India on the Central government to support international moves to condemn Sri Lanka.

More recently, the US’s criticism of the election process in Bangladesh — which gives comfort to Begum Khaleda Zia and her extremist allies and undermines politically the secular-minded Sheikh Hasina — is not in tune with India’s interests. That the US should be politically protective of forces in Bangladesh that are unfriendly towards India betrays a failure of strategic understanding on developments in Bangladesh that are in the interest of the region. The US has, surprisingly, lauded Begum Zia and her Jamaat allies in the past as representing “moderate Islam”. Now that Sheikh Hasina is seeking to exorcise Islamist elements and build a truly moderate polity in the country, the US is disapproving of her politics, faulty though it may be in some respects.

The US ignores China’s strategic links with Pakistan, including their nuclear cooperation, even as it expects India to be the lynchpin of its re-balancing towards Asia. This essentially means that the western Pacific region, where American power is being challenged by China. We have come under enormous pressure from the US to dilute our already limited relationship with Iran in a bid to further isolate that country, disregarding our genuine strategic interests in that country, both in terms of long-term energy security and transit routes to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Another instance of the US assaulting India’s dignity, without control mechanisms being triggered from the top, has been the Devyani Khobragade case. The US is unwilling to bring a closure to this issue even now, despite the huge set-back administered to bilateral ties. On the economic side, from a political position that the several India-US economic dialogues were strategic in nature as building Indian capacities in various fields was intended, we have now the US corporate lobby targeting India on patents and compulsory licensing issues related to intellectual property rights as well as those of market access. The US Chamber of Commerce is demanding that the US trade representative classify India as a “priority foreign country”, a status reserved for the worst IPR offenders, which can lead potentially to trade sanctions. The US international trade commission is undertaking a year-long investigation into the effect on the US economy and IPR protection of India’s trade, investment and industrial policies — an unjustifiable case of arm-twisting from the Indian point of view, given that Indian decisions are compliant with the agreement on trade-related aspects of IPR, and the US remains unresponsive to many Indian complaints on trade and services issues. On patent and compulsory licensing, the US that swears by due process is questioning the legitimacy of our Supreme Court’s judgments.

The treatment of Narendra Modi by the US also shows the ineptitude of American diplomacy on a domestic Indian political issue it could have stayed away from. Rather than dealing pragmatically with the visa issue, the US has taken a doggedly ideological position; even intensive investigative and legal processes have failed to incriminate Modi. The belated good sense shown by the Europeans in ending their ostracism of Modi has been emulated by the Americans with diplomatic clumsiness. Even as the US ambassador to India met Modi, the state department announced that there was no change in the US position on the visa question. The statement from the US embassy, that the ambassador also discussed human-rights issues with Modi, was intended to signal that this subject continues to weigh with the US while dealing with Modi — an unnecessary befuddlement if the idea is to make up with him. It seems that the US wants to hedge its bets on Modi, making the gesture of reaching out to him in case he might win, but keeping the visa-denial issue alive in case he loses. This is hardly serious diplomacy.

If the US had judged the importance of India in its strategic calculus during Bush Junior’s presidency, and if President Obama’s rhetoric about the relationship with India being a defining one for the 21st century was meant, then the current inattention towards India shows the strategic fitfulness of the Americans, who emphasize quick gains over patience in obtaining returns from a key investment in a longer-term perspective.

Strategic Miscalculations » Indian Defence Review


what exactly people mean by strategic partnership ?

and more so what does US expects when it talks about strategic partnership ?

The whole issue of relationships between India and US has been bogged down by failure to define this so called strategic partnership ...

The kind of relationship US had with UK or EU or Pakistan is simply NOT possible with India .

I am afraid " One size does not fit all...."


Too many expectations had been put on Indo -US relations and that too ....too soon .


what does US expects ? Does it expect India to turn towards it instantly after decades of hostility and antagonism ?
Does US expects India to trust it fully given its long record for double speak , double cross and double game all along ....?

Impatience on part of both countries especially US has to blame for such a great disappointment that is in the air now .

Welcome India and US to ground realities ...

any relationship that India desires to be on equal footing is impossible with US .

how can India demand equipoise in relationship with US which is the sole superpower in the world today ?

There have been many issues which today mar Indo-US ties...they are real .

These issues may have been ignored in hastily called marriage of unequals ...


The reasons why this happened was that Indo -US alignment was not result of long drawn courtship but hastily announced arranged marriage ....


Does US have time and patience to understand compulsions and imperfections of arranged marriage and negotiate same ?


It takes a life long journey to understand your partner and mold each other as per mutual expectations ,strengths and weaknesses ...

Lots of compromises must be made for relationship to survive ....especially if it is relationship of unequal .

The relationship needs to have something special and invaluable around which both partners can bond and vow to keep it going...


So what is my take on Indo-US " arranged " marriage of convenience ?

Unless both partners rediscover the magic which brought them together ....it is headed for journey towards painful wrangling of separation ....

Simply saying they are headed for divorce after their 'recent' marriage ....after divorce they will settle for friendship of mutual convenience ....


India and Us can be " friends with benefits " ...they can't be expected to keep marital vows of " strategic partnership " ....In my opinion !!!

( They are just too different to live with each other " happily ever after " ...)
 
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Its India's fault as well as the US. India, your policies are full of holes. You cant expect the Us to bend over backward when you are in serious need of help as well. You are calculating your position as being too important...when the fact is you are not. You have potential but many issues need to be resolved.



The US is and wil always continue to look out for its interests first and foremost. You Indians need to see the big picture.
There you go , u answered your own question . Even though how much US wants to strategically align itself with India but eventually it is self interests what matters nowadays. The fact is India is not ready for US friendship and neither would US want an ally who partners with Iran and buys arms from Russia .

On the second part I.e. economy let me remind you in today's world 5 - 6 % growth rate is not bad at all provided when the current government is a shit hole in itself . India needs a different government and sufficient time to go back to the 10 % mark .
 
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There you go , u answered your own question . Even though how much US wants to strategically align itself with India but eventually it is self interests what matters nowadays. The fact is India is not ready for US friendship and neither would US want an ally who partners with Iran and buys arms from Russia .

On the second part I.e. economy let me remind you in today's world 5 - 6 % growth rate is not bad at all provided when the current government is a shit hole in itself . India needs a different government and sufficient time to go back to the 10 % mark .




Nah....I think India is too corrupt to realize the opportunity it has. India thinks it can play the game and win. India for some dumb reasons believes, they are too important in this world. India needs to wake up and smack itself silly. India needs allies. Im not saying Russia is not a friend but instead of sitting on its ***, maybe it should be proactive in bringing the world closer together. Pakistan was able to bring China and the US closer together. And as a result, it was able to seize tremendous benefits from that posture. You can only play up your importance for so long....Reality eventually reveals itself. The US has begun to open up to Iran and understandably so. Russia requires more finesse. This is where India could help. But at the end of the day.....this all has to be of substance. Mere words and exchanges of sweets dont mean much.


Never forget without the US, India would never get the nuclear deal it so desperately wanted.



India stupid foreign policy of NAM is continously fuking it up. The time is coming soon, where it will have to choose a side. Like it or not...India will be in a stressful position in the future.

India's growth regardless of govt is something that can slide up or down. There are many unseen factors that really hurt India. Pakistan is on a mission to destroy us little by little. It will use and has used every trick in the book. It continues to do so. China is pulling the strings. Make no mistake.



Russia has treated CHina over INdia on a completely different level. Like it or not.....its time to digest the facts. India gets slighted by the tiniest action, and your media goes ape shit. I wish they showed this much interest in the actual problems and plight faced by the poor ppl who make up the majority of India.


Like I said you can keep tricking yourself, but India is doomed unless it makes some strong decisions about its future. Sadly, this would require ppl of caliber who are incorruptible which is quite hard to find in gov't regardless of who is in power.
 
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I haven't read a more ignorant piece of opinion as the one posted immediately above, lately.

"Pakistan was able to bring US and China closer"

Lol, you, sir, just made my day.

Any person questioning the benefits and the validity of India's foreign policy (or NAM for that matter) even in the modern scenario is an outright ignorant.

Indo guy pretty much summed it correctly, neither India nor the US was ready for the 'advanced' relationship that we generally share with our trusted allies.

US expects India to just open up to them, serve their interests and expect complete 'obedience' like a student. Well in other words, just the type of relations US shares with almost every other nation.
Their argument: India needs US, for obvious reasons.

India, on the other hand, has been way too ambitious to be on par with undeniably the world's superpower. Our argument: We represent a huge market for your firms. Thus, you need us as much as we need you.
 
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The last time I checked, we were living in the 21st century, 2014 to be specific.

And from what I know, Nixon was probably the most anti Indian president of America, thanks to our ties with the Soviet Union back then.

Irrespective of what they say, the sheer hypocrisy and double standards of American administration requires no rocket science to perceive, it is actually the own interests of America (and not any role played by Pakistan) that has brought the US and China somewhat *if you can even say* closer.
 
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So we are to believe there wouldn't have been US China rapprochement without Pakistan ? :lol:

Pakistan may have been used as a conduit, but saying that it brought US and China together is downright stupid.
 
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Offlate with Afghan withdrawal,Syria crisis, the focus of US has shifted from Asia. Than making new roads to existing partnerships they are more trying to balance their western policies. Another major reason was India was not ready to offer unconditional support in terms of LSA, CISMOA and N deal which rendered India's position as non alligned country as it was in the past.

US loks after its interest very well and so are we. The strategic partnership was just a sweetener in some deals where US has vested interests.
 
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So we are to believe there wouldn't have been US China rapprochement without Pakistan ? :lol:

Pakistan may have been used as a conduit, but saying that it brought US and China together is downright stupid.



Why wont you read a bit.....before you claim its stupid.





Thank you....sometimes my fellow Indians can be so stupid blindd by sheer patriotism ...
 
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Its India's fault as well as the US. India, your policies are full of holes. You cant expect the Us to bend over backward when you are in serious need of help as well. You are calculating your position as being too important...when the fact is you are not. You have potential but many issues need to be resolved.



The US is and wil always continue to look out for its interests first and foremost. You Indians need to see the big picture.
You are not an Indian??
 
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