Indo-Russian negotiations on Sukhoi upgrade to conclude in Oct this year

[ironman]

Indo-Russian negotiations on Sukhoi upgrade to conclude in Oct this year​

Sunday, August 30, 2009

The Indian Air Force (IAF)'s mainstay heavy weight fighters, the Russian Sukhoi 30MKI aircraft to be upgraded, will undergo two types of upgradation programmes. India Director of the Sukhoi programme, Vitaly A Borodich said during the biennial air show MAKS-2009 in Zhukovsky, near Moscow, that Moscow was looking at an increased participation from New Delhi in the upgrade programme.The joint upgrade will involve the Russian Federation's Irkutsk, and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

One of the upgrades will be the structural modification of the aircraft to have the air version of the Brahmos missile installed on it. Active negotiations are on for Brahmos integration on the aircraft. Sources have indicated that the IAF is looking at around three years to recieve the modified aircraft.

The launcher interface is to be integrated to the aircraft, internal trials to be conducted, before the field evaluation tests of the missile could begin, all of which would take a year or slightly more, and three years for its induction in service.

The air-launched version of the missile for the IAF has taken longer than anticipated. The air to ground missile to be integrated on the Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft of the IAF was to be ready by the end of 2009.

The first test of the missile is likely not before 2010-11.

The second upgrade for the existing fleet of the fighter is called the 'deep upgrade', which includes enhanced combat features, systems and avionics, which would increase the flight performance of the aircraft and the variant of this upgrade would keep the aircraft in service for a longer duration.

The technical negotiations between the IAF and ICDS of Russia, which have been going on for sometime, are likely to conclude in October this year, said Borodich.

The biggest feature of the deep upgrade, is the inclusion of the AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar.But the integration would be in two phases, one with array and one without array. Presently the Sukhoi aircraft uses a passive radar. The upgradation of the radar too has two stages, one of which is modification of the radar system, since it has to be integrated on the aircraft, which is possible by 2015, and the other stage would be installation of the system on the aircraft.

Sukhoi CEO Mikhail Pogosyan had several meetings with the IAF Vice Chief Air Marshal P K Barbora, during the MAKS air show, to sort out the configuration of the upgraded radar on the aircraft as specified by the IAF.

The IAF operates three squadrons of the Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft, and has approximately 60 aircraft in its inventory, all of which would have the upgraded data systems, digital glass cockpit, and other systems on board, after the contract is signed for upgrade.

 

[shchinese]

see, I've told you we are different. when we upgrade our J-10 to J-10B, we don't sign deals with such foreign companies.

 

[fhassan]

see, I've told you we are different. when we upgrade our J-10 to J-10B, we don't sign deals with such foreign companies.

No need to turn this into a "anything you can do, I can do better" contest.

Lets keep it civil

 

[gogbot]

see, I've told you we are different. when we upgrade our J-10 to J-10B, we don't sign deals with such foreign companies.

You know you have been the first or second to post in most of the India defense forums. and always you post your negative perception of the issue.

Su-30 MKI is a good aircraft. And the reason it is so good is as you said. Its the most Internationalized weapon system in the world. And things like the Aesa Radar need to be obtained from Partner company Sukhoi. HAL also gets more experience doing a lot of these things with Sukhoi. All theses deals show cooperation and Indias domestic defense industry still in its childhood by superpower standards, is getting a crash course in many things, leapfrogging us ahead of many years of R&D and trial and error.

Now before you say china doesn't do that, yes you do but you just reverse engineer it. Now everyone reverse engineers, but no one does it on the scale of china, you have absolutely dozens of factories dedicated to reverse engineering anything and everything you can get your hands on. You are bypassing Years of R&D as well but doing it differently.

 

[shchinese]

Su-30 MKI is a good aircraft. And the reason it is so good is as you said. Its the most Internationalized weapon system in the world. And things like the Aesa Radar need to be obtained from Partner company Sukhoi. HAL also gets more experience doing a lot of these things with Sukhoi. All theses deals show cooperation and Indias domestic defense industry still in its childhood by superpower standards, is getting a crash course in many things, leapfrogging us ahead of many years of R&D and trial and error.

really? how many aircrafts you lost during training every year? why the same crap never happen in Pakistan? are you telling me your defence sector is way behind Pakistan?

please answer my above question.

Now before you say china doesn't do that, yes you do but you just reverse engineer it. Now everyone reverse engineers, but no one does it on the scale of china, you have absolutely dozens of factories dedicated to reverse engineering anything and everything you can get your hands on. You are bypassing Years of R&D as well but doing it differently.

can you tell me how we reverse engineer the FBC-1? what is the original model?

don't troll. your drug industry is purely based on "reverse engineer", see how many of them got sued by their US/EU friends every year.

 

[gogbot]

really? how many aircrafts you lost during training every year? why the same crap never happen in Pakistan? are you telling me your defence sector is way behind Pakistan?

please answer my above question.

can you tell me how we reverse engineer the FBC-1? what is the original model?

don't troll. your drug industry is purely based on "reverse engineer", see how many of them got sued by their US/EU friends every year.

A Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft crashed on 30 April 2009 in the Pokhran region of Rajasthan after it took off from Pune during its routine sortie, killing one of its two pilots. This has been the only crash of the MKI since its induction.
Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The FBC-1 is a 30 year old plane i don't even care about it

however, even you cant tell me this isnt reverse engineered

Shenyang J-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I find your behavior very curious shchinese, you obviously know all the facts but you selectively choose to ignore some and emphasize others. you frequently lie, just to get our response, but you never actually try to make a valid point. very interesting, you fit all the characteristics of a source of disinformation.

and most annoying u do this , i dont get it, are trying to say reading your words will give us cancer, or do u have cancer from smoking too much and don't care what you say?

 

[sancho]

see, I've told you we are different. when we upgrade our J-10 to J-10B, we don't sign deals with such foreign companies.

Strange comparison, would be better if you think about Su 30MKK upgrade. Will you do it on ur own, or with Russian help?

 

[dizzy heights]

see, I've told you we are different. when we upgrade our J-10 to J-10B, we don't sign deals with such foreign companies.

I know that some members get paid for posting in forums. Do you happened to be one? If so Pakistan is getting more than what they are paying for.

You are a much better weapon than any thing your country has supplied to Pakistan.

Regards

 

[Spitfighter]

I know that some members get paid for posting in forums. Do you happened to be one? If so Pakistan is getting more than what they are paying for.

You are a much better weapon than any thing your country has supplied to Pakistan.

Regards

Off topic, but this is true, the CCP does pay people to promote 'nationalism' online.

Good news on the upgrade, hopefully there are no price escalations or delays.