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Indo-Pak War 1965
Looking Back 50 Years

Ishfaq Ilahi Chowdhury
Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:00 AM
Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistan President Ayub Khan at a meeting at Tashkent that resulted in a ceasefire followed by Tashkent Treaty. Photo: The Week
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Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistan President Ayub Khan at a meeting at Tashkent that resulted in a ceasefire followed by Tashkent Treaty. Photo: The Week
This month marks the 50th anniversary of the Indo-Pak War that formally began on September 6 in 1965 and ended with a ceasefire 17 days later on September 22. The war's 50th anniversary is being celebrated both in India and Pakistan. In Pakistan, September 6 is celebrated as the Defence of Pakistan Day and September 7 as the Pakistan Air Force Day. Incidentally, people of Bangladesh, then East Pakistan, played an important role in the war. The 1965 War became a catalyst for a series of events leading to the Liberation War of Bangladesh six years later.
Since the Indo-China border war in 1962, the Pakistani High Command realised that the military balance was shifting towards India. Since that war, Western powers, especially USA, UK and France, had been giving huge military assistance to bolster Indian defence posture. This was in addition to the weapons supplied by USSR, which was traditionally the main source of advanced weapons for India. The Pakistani leadership decided to apply military pressure on India to come to a negotiated solution to the long festering Kashmir problem. Pakistan's planning was based on the assumption that a limited incursion into Kashmir will not lead to an all-out war with India. The planning for the war was secretly hatched in the Pakistani Army Headquarters. Other than President Ayub and his young and flamboyant Foreign Minister Z. A. Bhutto, rarely anyone in civilian circles in Pakistan had much inkling about these plans. Even the Air and Naval Headquarters were brought on board much later.
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In early August 1965, Pakistan launched a clandestine operation, code named Operation Gibraltar. The aim was to send infiltrators into Indian Kashmir to carry out insurgent activities there. Pakistan started a radio station called "Sada-e-Kashmir", purported to be the voice of the mujahedin fighting for Kashmir's liberation. The Pakistani leadership expected that it would trigger a general uprising among the Kashmiris. Nothing of the sort ever happened, however. Most of the infiltrators were arrested or killed in encounters. By the end of August, Operation Gibraltar petered out; remnants of the so-called mujahedins tracked back to Pakistan. On September 1, 1965, Pakistan launched Operations Grand Slam when regular Pakistani troops crossed the cease fire line (CFL) and moved towards Jammu. The forces made quick advance in the next couple of days, and threatened to cut the Jammu-Srinagar road. On September 2, the air forces came in to play. PAF fighters shot down 2 IAF Vampire fighters in the first encounter. On the same day, the Indian PM issued a warning that unless Pakistan withdrew its forces across the CFL, India would respond "at a time and place of its own choosing". The Indian response came on the nights of Sept 5-6 when it launched attacks across Sialkot and Lahore. The Indian forces, besides threatening two key cities, poised to cut the vital road and rail links between Lahore and Islamabad. At this time, the first Battalion of the East Bengal Regiment (EBR) was deployed in defence of Lahore along the Bambawali-Ravi-Bedian (BRB) canal. The regiment held their ground despite repeated Indian attacks and in the process, inflicted heavy casualty to the attacking Indian Army. At the end of the war, this regiment had the honour of being awarded the highest number of gallantry awards among all the regiments of the Pakistan Army. The Regiment won three Sitara-e-Jurrat (SJ, equivalent to Bir Bikram), eight Tamgha-e-Jurrat (TJ, equivalent to Bir Protik), and medals and citations. 1 EBR were hailed as the saviours of Lahore. An Indian Army tank that the regiment destroyed in the war is displayed as a war trophy in Chittagong Cantonment.
In the air war that followed, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had a qualitative edge over the IAF in terms of pilots and aircrafts, which, despite IAF's quantitative advantage, gave PAF a slight edge in the end. While there was no ground action in East Pakistan, the IAF Eastern Command on September 6 launched a series of attacks against unused airfields of Kurmitola, Lalmonirhat and civilian airfields at Chittagong, leaving the only military air base at Tejgaon untouched; it was a major intelligence and operational failure on the part of the IAF. In the PAF counter attack launched from Tejgaon over the IAF base in Kalaikunda, a number of Canberra bombers were destroyed on the ground. PAF pilots of Bangali origin displayed exceptional professional skill and valour. Wing Commander Tawab, Squander Leader (Sqn Ldr) Alauddin (posthumous), Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam and Flying Officer Hassan won SJ while Leading Aircraftman Anwar Hussain (posthumous) won a TJ. Sqn Ldr M. K. Bashar, who was a sector commander during the Liberation War and later became Chief of Bangladesh Air Force, won Tamgha–e-Basalat (Tbt), a high military award for flying the largest number of bomber missions into India during the war.
By the second week of the war, Pakistani forces were running out of ammunition and spares. US had imposed an arms embargo on both the warring sides, which hurt Pakistan badly because almost all her weapons were of US origin. Pakistan had no option but to accept a UN resolution for a ceasefire to take effect from September 22, 1965. An initiative by the Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, resulted in a peace deal, known as The Tashkent Declaration, signed by the warring parties on January 4, 1966 in Tashkent. The declaration stated that both countries will pull back their forces to pre-war positions, will restore economic and diplomatic ties and will initiate orderly exchange of prisoners. The war had no clear victor or vanquished, but Pakistan suffered more on a strategic level. Pakistan's aim to force India to the negotiating table failed; India, on the other hand, succeeded in maintaining the status quo in Kashmir. President Ayub faced domestic and international criticism for his military adventure with no gain to show. On the economic front, Pakistan suffered badly due to war. The third Five Year Plan (1965-70) was virtually in tatters. In order to quell domestic discontent, President Ayub declared a state of emergency and gave himself sweeping administrative and judicial power. Many opposition politicians, including Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, were put behind bars under Defence of Pakistan Ordinance 1965. Ayub also promulgated the Enemy Properties Act 1965 which forced many Hindus to migrate to India. Indian rail and river transit through East Pakistan, which had continued since partition, came to an abrupt halt. East Pakistan was cut off from its western wing during the War. With only one infantry division, a squadron of fighters and virtually no naval assets, East Pakistan was more or less defenceless. This resulted in a deep sense of frustration in East Pakistan. In June 1966, the Awami League in its Six-Point Programme demanded greater defence investment in East Pakistan and a greater Bangali representation in the defence forces. The demands included shifting the NHQ to Chittagong, establishment of an ordnance factory and a paramilitary force to augment the defence of the eastern wing. Pakistani establishment saw in these demands a conspiracy to dismember Pakistan and increased its repression on the Awami League leadership. What followed is now part of history – a mass upsurge that saw Ayub's downfall by 1969.

The sacrifices made by the Bangali soldiers, sailors and airmen in the 1965 War are now largely forgotten. Although many veterans of that war displayed the same valour in the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971, their pioneering role remains unknown to the new generation. On the 50th anniversary of 1965 War, let us pay homage to those who went on to disprove the concept of "non-martial race" propagated by the Pakistani political and military elites.

Important Points:

1. In early August 1965, Pakistan launched a clandestine operation, code named Operation Gibraltar. The aim was to send infiltrators into Indian Kashmir to carry out insurgent activities there. Pakistan started a radio station called "Sada-e-Kashmir", purported to be the voice of the mujahedin fighting for Kashmir's liberation. The Pakistani leadership expected that it would trigger a general uprising among the Kashmiris. Nothing of the sort ever happened, however. Most of the infiltrators were arrested or killed in encounters. By the end of August, Operation Gibraltar petered out; remnants of the so-called mujahedins tracked back to Pakistan. On September 1, 1965, Pakistan launched Operations Grand Slam when regular Pakistani troops crossed the cease fire line (CFL) and moved towards Jammu.

2. September 2, the air forces came in to play. PAF fighters shot down 2 IAF Vampire fighters in the first encounter. On the same day, the Indian PM issued a warning that unless Pakistan withdrew its forces across the CFL, India would respond "at a time and place of its own choosing". The Indian response came on the nights of Sept 5-6 when it launched attacks across Sialkot and Lahore.

3. US had imposed an arms embargo on both the warring sides, which hurt Pakistan badly because almost all her weapons were of US origin. Pakistan had no option but to accept a UN resolution for a ceasefire to take effect from September 22, 1965. An initiative by the Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, resulted in a peace deal, known as The Tashkent Declaration, signed by the warring parties on January 4, 1966 in Tashkent. The declaration stated that both countries will pull back their forces to pre-war positions, will restore economic and diplomatic ties and will initiate orderly exchange of prisoners. The war had no clear victor or vanquished, but Pakistan suffered more on a strategic level. Pakistan's aim to force India to the negotiating table failed; India, on the other hand, succeeded in maintaining the status quo in Kashmir.
Fighter PlanesQuantityMax SpeedArmament
Indian Airforce
Dassault Ouragan104940 km/hGuns 4× 20 mm (125 rounds per gun)
Hawker Hunter100+1,003 km/hGuns: 4× 30 mm (removable gun pack with 150 rpg)
Folland Gnats40+1,119 km/hGuns: 2x 30mm ADEN cannon with 115 rpg
Vampire aircraft250+882 km/hGuns: 4 × 20 mm (150 rounds per gun).
Dassault Mystère IV1041,110 km/hGuns: 2× 30 mm (150 rounds per gun), Rockets: 55 air-to-air rockets in retractable pack
Pakistani Airforce
Sabre1201,106 km/hGun: 6 X 0.50 in (12.7 mm)(1,800 rounds in total), Missile: AIM-9 Sidewinder, infrared-homing air-to-air missile,
F-86-F40901,106 km/hGun: 6 X 0.50 in (12.7 mm)(1,800 rounds in total), Missile: AIM-9 Sidewinder, infrared-homing air-to-air missile,
Lockheed F-104 Starfighter201,528 mphGuns: 1 × 20 mm (0.787 in) 725 rounds Missiles: 4 × AIM-9 Sidewinder

120 F86F Sabre fighter aircraft - The US-supplied Sabre had the best operational record amongst any fighter aircraft across the globe since the end of World War II.

Offering the pilot a commanding awareness of the battlefield with a 360-degree view cockpit, the Sabre was equipped with a modern M18 gyro gun sight and armed with six 0.5 inch Browning high power guns with a wide dispersion pattern.

It was also equipped with two GAR-8 Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles, which could shoot down with ease enemy fighters at a distance of three miles. The Sidewinder was the most advanced heat-seeking air-to-air missile (AAM) in the world at that time

F104 Starfighter - starfighter was supposedly the better fighter, capable of supersonic high-altitude dashes and armed with superior armament.

NO Indian fighter plane was equipped with the Air to air missile.
250+ The Vampire was a WWII vintage, first generation jet fighter which had reached the end of its operational life.
 
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Just was going through the dept details.

Fighter planes, Tanks, and technologically, Pakistan was way ahead to Indian forces.

Even was having the Submarine but India didn't.
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What was called - blunders of Plannings and executions? any reports published in Pakistan?
 
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First encounter between PAF and IAF saw 4 iaf vampires being shot down. Not 2.

As per CIA documents, the Indian military performance against Pakistan was unsatisfactory. The land it gained was unimportant and held no strategic value
That coupled with the higher losses they took
 
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First encounter between PAF and IAF saw 4 iaf vampires being shot down. Not 2.

As per CIA documents, the Indian military performance against Pakistan was unsatisfactory. The land it gained was unimportant and held no strategic value
That coupled with the higher losses they took

NO, only two- Please refer to any international sources.

The land it gained was unimportant and held no strategic value
That coupled with the higher losses they took


Provide the source, please...
 
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Just was going through the dept details.

Fighter planes, Tanks, and technologically, Pakistan was way ahead to Indian forces.

Even was having the Submarine but India didn't.
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What was called - blunders of Plannings and executions? Anyone Analyst in Pakistan and any reports published?
I'm sorry what?

That's just BS.

India had the Centurion mk7 armed with the l7a1 105mm rifled gun which was stabilised and could fire APDS which could easily pen the UFP of the m48 patton.

Not to mention your pt76B and Amx 13 light tanks with better guns and FCS then our m24 chaffee.

Our m48 were good but overrated. Their 90mm gun was outranged by the l7a1 you Indians had. On top of that our m48 had no stabiliser.

In the air our f86 only outperformed your jets because because our pilots were actually trained. Yours weren't compared to ours. Not because they were better jets and what not. And the aim9B missiles weren't much of a game changer. They were terrible. Poor heat discrepancy and interception capabilities. That coupled with the fact only 10% of our jets had them.

This is just sad.
 
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I'm sorry what?

That's just BS.

India had the Centurion mk7 armed with the l7a1 105mm rifled gun which was stabilised and could fire APDS which could easily pen the UFP of the m48 patton.

Not to mention your pt76B and Amx 13 light tanks with better guns and FCS then our m24 chaffee.

Our m48 were good but overrated. Their 90mm gun was outranged by the l7a1 you Indians had. On top of that our m48 had no stabiliser.

In the air our f86 only outperformed your jets because because our pilots were actually trained. Yours weren't compared to ours. Not because they were better jets and what not. And the aim9B missiles weren't much of a game changer. They were terrible. Poor heat discrepancy and interception capabilities. That coupled with the fact only 10% of our jets had them.

This is just sad.

With Air to Air missile - any airforce in the world will perform better if other doesn't have air to air missile.

m48 patton was much much better tank which developed after 1950, where Centurion was developed during the worlds war 2
 
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With Air to Air missile - any airforce in the world will perform better if other doesn't have air to air missile.
And did you forget the fact that the a2a missiles we had were bad?

Poor heat discrepancy alongside bad interception capabilites. That coupled with 10% of our jets having them.

Are you really that ignorant to not read other people's replies properly? What a dumb ***. It's even noted that because of the fact that the PAF had its pilot 'seasoned' on its jets, they were able to outperform the iaf by a wide margin.

Not to mention how nearly all the kills on iaf jets were gun kills.
NO, only two- Please refer to any international sources.

The land it gained was unimportant and held no strategic value
That coupled with the higher losses they took


Provide the source, please...
It's on this forum. Search for it.
 
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And did you forget the fact that the a2a missiles we had were bad?

Poor heat discrepancy alongside bad interception capabilites. That coupled with 10% of our jets having them.

Are you really that ignorant to not read other people's replies properly? What a dumb ***. It's even noted that because of the fact that the PAF had its pilot 'seasoned' on its jets, they were able to outperform the iaf by a wide margin.

Not to mention how nearly all the kills on iaf jets were gun kills.

It's on this forum. Search for it.

I only consider international sources and never count what is written in Pakistani or Indian textbooks.

Even first 2 Vintage Vampires shoot by two (PAF) F 86, armed with Air to Air missiles.
 
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I only consider international sources and never count what is written in Pakistani or Indian textbooks.

Een first 2 Vintage Vampires shoot by two (PAF) F-86 Sabres, armed with Air to Air missiles.
And you think just because they were armed with a2a missiles, that they were used? If so, then it would've been said. Like when MM Alam shot down an IAF hunter with his aim 9b after the first one missed due to poor heat discrepancy.

All 4 vampires were shot down via guns. Not a2a missiles.
 
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And you think just because they were armed with a2a missiles, that they were used? If so, then it would've been said. Like when MM Alam shot down an IAF hunter with his aim 9b after the first one missed due to poor heat discrepancy.

All 4 vampires were shot down via guns. Not a2a missiles.

And this just argument without a source. Saying that Aircrafts were equipped with AA Missile but not fired.

How many will believe that?

Still, I am thinking that it was also bravely of IAF pilots that even they knew, enemy fighters are equipped with AA missiles and psychologically was a very big advantage of PAF.

IAF pilots were not aware that which PAF fighter is equipped with AA missiles or not... Still were fighting.
 
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And this just argument without a source. Saying that Aircrafts were equipped with AA Missile but not fired.

How many will believe that?

Still, I am thinking that it was also bravely of IAF pilots that even they knew, enemy fighters are equipped with AA missiles and psychologically was a very big advantage of PAF.

IAF pilots were not aware that which PAF fighter is equipped with AA missiles or not... Still were fighting.
You must really be dumb my dude. Like I said, if the jet was shot down via missile, it would've said it. But guess what? It didn't.

Do you assume that just because an aircraft has a2a missiles it must use them everytime? What dumb logic that is. And you say I have no source?

Also please Mr source, give me the source of Pakistan shooting down these vampires via a2a missiles.

Also as I said, the source for the Cia is on this forum. Give me a moment and I will give it to you.
NO, only two- Please refer to any international sources.

The land it gained was unimportant and held no strategic value
That coupled with the higher losses they took


Provide the source, please...
Here you go


If this doesn't work, tell me. I will try my best to upload it on imgur then
 
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jo lahore may nashta kar nay aye thay, amristar gava kay bayth gaye!:lol:
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shukar karo we gave have amristar back to you out of sheer kindness, 'enuf said...
 
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Indo-Pak War 1965
Looking Back 50 Years

Ishfaq Ilahi Chowdhury
Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:00 AM
Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistan President Ayub Khan at a meeting at Tashkent that resulted in a ceasefire followed by Tashkent Treaty. Photo: The Week
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Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistan President Ayub Khan at a meeting at Tashkent that resulted in a ceasefire followed by Tashkent Treaty. Photo: The Week
This month marks the 50th anniversary of the Indo-Pak War that formally began on September 6 in 1965 and ended with a ceasefire 17 days later on September 22. The war's 50th anniversary is being celebrated both in India and Pakistan. In Pakistan, September 6 is celebrated as the Defence of Pakistan Day and September 7 as the Pakistan Air Force Day. Incidentally, people of Bangladesh, then East Pakistan, played an important role in the war. The 1965 War became a catalyst for a series of events leading to the Liberation War of Bangladesh six years later.
Since the Indo-China border war in 1962, the Pakistani High Command realised that the military balance was shifting towards India. Since that war, Western powers, especially USA, UK and France, had been giving huge military assistance to bolster Indian defence posture. This was in addition to the weapons supplied by USSR, which was traditionally the main source of advanced weapons for India. The Pakistani leadership decided to apply military pressure on India to come to a negotiated solution to the long festering Kashmir problem. Pakistan's planning was based on the assumption that a limited incursion into Kashmir will not lead to an all-out war with India. The planning for the war was secretly hatched in the Pakistani Army Headquarters. Other than President Ayub and his young and flamboyant Foreign Minister Z. A. Bhutto, rarely anyone in civilian circles in Pakistan had much inkling about these plans. Even the Air and Naval Headquarters were brought on board much later.
For all latest news, follow The Daily Star's Google News channel.
In early August 1965, Pakistan launched a clandestine operation, code named Operation Gibraltar. The aim was to send infiltrators into Indian Kashmir to carry out insurgent activities there. Pakistan started a radio station called "Sada-e-Kashmir", purported to be the voice of the mujahedin fighting for Kashmir's liberation. The Pakistani leadership expected that it would trigger a general uprising among the Kashmiris. Nothing of the sort ever happened, however. Most of the infiltrators were arrested or killed in encounters. By the end of August, Operation Gibraltar petered out; remnants of the so-called mujahedins tracked back to Pakistan. On September 1, 1965, Pakistan launched Operations Grand Slam when regular Pakistani troops crossed the cease fire line (CFL) and moved towards Jammu. The forces made quick advance in the next couple of days, and threatened to cut the Jammu-Srinagar road. On September 2, the air forces came in to play. PAF fighters shot down 2 IAF Vampire fighters in the first encounter. On the same day, the Indian PM issued a warning that unless Pakistan withdrew its forces across the CFL, India would respond "at a time and place of its own choosing". The Indian response came on the nights of Sept 5-6 when it launched attacks across Sialkot and Lahore. The Indian forces, besides threatening two key cities, poised to cut the vital road and rail links between Lahore and Islamabad. At this time, the first Battalion of the East Bengal Regiment (EBR) was deployed in defence of Lahore along the Bambawali-Ravi-Bedian (BRB) canal. The regiment held their ground despite repeated Indian attacks and in the process, inflicted heavy casualty to the attacking Indian Army. At the end of the war, this regiment had the honour of being awarded the highest number of gallantry awards among all the regiments of the Pakistan Army. The Regiment won three Sitara-e-Jurrat (SJ, equivalent to Bir Bikram), eight Tamgha-e-Jurrat (TJ, equivalent to Bir Protik), and medals and citations. 1 EBR were hailed as the saviours of Lahore. An Indian Army tank that the regiment destroyed in the war is displayed as a war trophy in Chittagong Cantonment.
In the air war that followed, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had a qualitative edge over the IAF in terms of pilots and aircrafts, which, despite IAF's quantitative advantage, gave PAF a slight edge in the end. While there was no ground action in East Pakistan, the IAF Eastern Command on September 6 launched a series of attacks against unused airfields of Kurmitola, Lalmonirhat and civilian airfields at Chittagong, leaving the only military air base at Tejgaon untouched; it was a major intelligence and operational failure on the part of the IAF. In the PAF counter attack launched from Tejgaon over the IAF base in Kalaikunda, a number of Canberra bombers were destroyed on the ground. PAF pilots of Bangali origin displayed exceptional professional skill and valour. Wing Commander Tawab, Squander Leader (Sqn Ldr) Alauddin (posthumous), Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam and Flying Officer Hassan won SJ while Leading Aircraftman Anwar Hussain (posthumous) won a TJ. Sqn Ldr M. K. Bashar, who was a sector commander during the Liberation War and later became Chief of Bangladesh Air Force, won Tamgha–e-Basalat (Tbt), a high military award for flying the largest number of bomber missions into India during the war.
By the second week of the war, Pakistani forces were running out of ammunition and spares. US had imposed an arms embargo on both the warring sides, which hurt Pakistan badly because almost all her weapons were of US origin. Pakistan had no option but to accept a UN resolution for a ceasefire to take effect from September 22, 1965. An initiative by the Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, resulted in a peace deal, known as The Tashkent Declaration, signed by the warring parties on January 4, 1966 in Tashkent. The declaration stated that both countries will pull back their forces to pre-war positions, will restore economic and diplomatic ties and will initiate orderly exchange of prisoners. The war had no clear victor or vanquished, but Pakistan suffered more on a strategic level. Pakistan's aim to force India to the negotiating table failed; India, on the other hand, succeeded in maintaining the status quo in Kashmir. President Ayub faced domestic and international criticism for his military adventure with no gain to show. On the economic front, Pakistan suffered badly due to war. The third Five Year Plan (1965-70) was virtually in tatters. In order to quell domestic discontent, President Ayub declared a state of emergency and gave himself sweeping administrative and judicial power. Many opposition politicians, including Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, were put behind bars under Defence of Pakistan Ordinance 1965. Ayub also promulgated the Enemy Properties Act 1965 which forced many Hindus to migrate to India. Indian rail and river transit through East Pakistan, which had continued since partition, came to an abrupt halt. East Pakistan was cut off from its western wing during the War. With only one infantry division, a squadron of fighters and virtually no naval assets, East Pakistan was more or less defenceless. This resulted in a deep sense of frustration in East Pakistan. In June 1966, the Awami League in its Six-Point Programme demanded greater defence investment in East Pakistan and a greater Bangali representation in the defence forces. The demands included shifting the NHQ to Chittagong, establishment of an ordnance factory and a paramilitary force to augment the defence of the eastern wing. Pakistani establishment saw in these demands a conspiracy to dismember Pakistan and increased its repression on the Awami League leadership. What followed is now part of history – a mass upsurge that saw Ayub's downfall by 1969.

The sacrifices made by the Bangali soldiers, sailors and airmen in the 1965 War are now largely forgotten. Although many veterans of that war displayed the same valour in the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971, their pioneering role remains unknown to the new generation. On the 50th anniversary of 1965 War, let us pay homage to those who went on to disprove the concept of "non-martial race" propagated by the Pakistani political and military elites.

Important Points:

1. In early August 1965, Pakistan launched a clandestine operation, code named Operation Gibraltar. The aim was to send infiltrators into Indian Kashmir to carry out insurgent activities there. Pakistan started a radio station called "Sada-e-Kashmir", purported to be the voice of the mujahedin fighting for Kashmir's liberation. The Pakistani leadership expected that it would trigger a general uprising among the Kashmiris. Nothing of the sort ever happened, however. Most of the infiltrators were arrested or killed in encounters. By the end of August, Operation Gibraltar petered out; remnants of the so-called mujahedins tracked back to Pakistan. On September 1, 1965, Pakistan launched Operations Grand Slam when regular Pakistani troops crossed the cease fire line (CFL) and moved towards Jammu.

2. September 2, the air forces came in to play. PAF fighters shot down 2 IAF Vampire fighters in the first encounter. On the same day, the Indian PM issued a warning that unless Pakistan withdrew its forces across the CFL, India would respond "at a time and place of its own choosing". The Indian response came on the nights of Sept 5-6 when it launched attacks across Sialkot and Lahore.

3. US had imposed an arms embargo on both the warring sides, which hurt Pakistan badly because almost all her weapons were of US origin. Pakistan had no option but to accept a UN resolution for a ceasefire to take effect from September 22, 1965. An initiative by the Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, resulted in a peace deal, known as The Tashkent Declaration, signed by the warring parties on January 4, 1966 in Tashkent. The declaration stated that both countries will pull back their forces to pre-war positions, will restore economic and diplomatic ties and will initiate orderly exchange of prisoners. The war had no clear victor or vanquished, but Pakistan suffered more on a strategic level. Pakistan's aim to force India to the negotiating table failed; India, on the other hand, succeeded in maintaining the status quo in Kashmir.
Fighter PlanesQuantityMax SpeedArmament
Indian Airforce
Dassault Ouragan104940 km/hGuns 4× 20 mm (125 rounds per gun)
Hawker Hunter100+1,003 km/hGuns: 4× 30 mm (removable gun pack with 150 rpg)
Folland Gnats40+1,119 km/hGuns: 2x 30mm ADEN cannon with 115 rpg
Vampire aircraft250+882 km/hGuns: 4 × 20 mm (150 rounds per gun).
Dassault Mystère IV1041,110 km/hGuns: 2× 30 mm (150 rounds per gun), Rockets: 55 air-to-air rockets in retractable pack
Pakistani Airforce
Sabre1201,106 km/hGun: 6 X 0.50 in (12.7 mm)(1,800 rounds in total), Missile: AIM-9 Sidewinder, infrared-homing air-to-air missile,
F-86-F40901,106 km/hGun: 6 X 0.50 in (12.7 mm)(1,800 rounds in total), Missile: AIM-9 Sidewinder, infrared-homing air-to-air missile,
Lockheed F-104 Starfighter201,528 mphGuns: 1 × 20 mm (0.787 in) 725 rounds Missiles: 4 × AIM-9 Sidewinder

120 F86F Sabre fighter aircraft - The US-supplied Sabre had the best operational record amongst any fighter aircraft across the globe since the end of World War II.

Offering the pilot a commanding awareness of the battlefield with a 360-degree view cockpit, the Sabre was equipped with a modern M18 gyro gun sight and armed with six 0.5 inch Browning high power guns with a wide dispersion pattern.

It was also equipped with two GAR-8 Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles, which could shoot down with ease enemy fighters at a distance of three miles. The Sidewinder was the most advanced heat-seeking air-to-air missile (AAM) in the world at that time

F104 Starfighter - starfighter was supposedly the better fighter, capable of supersonic high-altitude dashes and armed with superior armament.

NO Indian fighter plane was equipped with the Air to air missile.
250+ The Vampire was a WWII vintage, first generation jet fighter which had reached the end of its operational life.

IAF had alot higher number of gnats and hunters which were superior to paf f86 in terms of manoverablity, climb, and guns they carried. Only 1 paf f86 sqd was equipped with aim9b which had accauracy of less then 20% and were only meant to engage slow moving soviet bombers and not fighter jets. Iaf also had mig21 which were wiped out by paf air raid.
Starfighter was technically superior but the worst dog fighter.
So yes, iaf got its butt kicked just like in 71 and 2019.
 
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You must really be dumb my dude. Like I said, if the jet was shot down via missile, it would've said it. But guess what? It didn't.

Do you assume that just because an aircraft has a2a missiles it must use them everytime? What dumb logic that is. And you say I have no source?

Also please Mr source, give me the source of Pakistan shooting down these vampires via a2a missiles.

Also as I said, the source for the Cia is on this forum. Give me a moment and I will give it to you.

It will sump to think that Aircraft's are Equipped with missiles but will not going to fire and will shoot by Gun.

Even I am 100% sure that no airforce gives the training to their pilots that way.
 
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