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Indo-Pak relations: détente the only way forward
| Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

Lt Gen Naeem Khalid Lodhi (Retd) Interim Federal Minister & Ex-Defence Secretary
June 29, 2018


Whenever two neighbouring states with strong political and military standoff acquire nuclear capabilities with effective delivery means, the entire gambit of diplomacy and warfare changes. Nuclear parity (that exists between Pakistan and India) if properly understood by political and military leaderships, nearly precludes nuclear war as well as conventional military operations. This automatically pushes the conflict in the political, diplomatic, psychological and economic zones. The danger of overt suicidal conflagration, institutes deterrence, but may give space to other types of warfare, falling in the ambit of Hybrid War or Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) definition. But it has to be understood that if pain threshold of the opponent is crossed, LIC can escalate and lead to dangerous and unthinkable overt operations. If these facts can sink in the minds of both groups of decision makers and trouble makers, they would realise that India and Pakistan have no option but to change their attitudes from adversarial to cooperation mode.

Without going in the lengthy discussion of the reasons of deep rooted mistrust and adversarial nature of Indo-Pak relations , the conclusions could be simplified to dump it on 'history', 'unresolved issues' and 'absence of will at politico-military' levels of both countries. Also there are enough indicators that some 'other players', due to their own political and economic interests, are not very keen to see a rapprochement or détente in the relationship of these two neighbours in the sub continent. Now under the prevailing environment, where do we go ? How do we get a fresh start ? I propose moving from easier to difficult. First let us try to get out of the groove of past history of animosity and concentrate on the present sticking issues. Who did what to whom ? Which grand empire was more grand in expanse and administration, Hindu, Muslim or Sikh? What conditions led to the partition of the sub continent, etc etc ? The matter of fact is that India and Pakistan are two separate nation states, and both have the ability to do very well in the comity of nations. Both countries are very well recognised the world over with memberships of all significant international and regional organisations and forums. Unfortunately both neighbours are afflicted with poverty, illiteracy, social and economic injustices and bad governance, to varying degrees. Social indicators are dismal and whatever resources have been developed, a major chunk of those are being wasted in continued useless confrontation.

So, can we try forgetting the bygones and start afresh, willingly accepting each other's existence and importance, with an understanding that future rather than past should guide our relations ? Coexist like any good neighbours in spite of some difficult issues that definitely require resolution. The two sides must realise that 'international arms producers' and those 'entities that get threatened' by the political and economic cooperation of the two neighbours, would never like and not encourage peace in the region. Our leaderships and peoples should not remain naive to fall prey to such machinations, and must show resolve and grit their feelings.

Secondly both countries should talk about demilitarisation of the Kashmir Region. Simultaneously create easement of movement and interaction, enabling social and economic activities in the region. Encourage people to people contact thus creating the right environment to recognise Kashmiris as the legitimate third party and initiate debates in pursuit of final settlement of the issue. The Resolutions of UN , all international and bilateral agreements remain in tact pending the final agreement by the three parties. If the two countries succeed in lowering the tensions and switch to cooperation mode, one and half billion people of the region will benefit immensely.

India will continue following the economic growth trajectory and smaller countries of the region will be able to latch on to this growing economy. Pakistan will be able to reorient its resources and overcome its economic and social woes. The whole region, including India will be able to benefit from China's new initiatives. India's desire of passage rights through Pakistan, both East-West and North-South will likely to be fulfilled. Iran, Afghanistan, entire SAARC Region and CARs will get connected and business as usual will result in social and economic development of a large chunk of the world. We shall all create bright prospects for one another, propelling the entire region on the rapid growth curve, bringing happiness and good life for all. Unprecedented growth likely as the hard earned capital will be diverted towards social sectors, raising the standards of education, health, justice and economic opportunities for the long deprived habitants of this unlucky region and beyond.

Now it is well understood that all the above is easier said than done; but is this region intellectually so bankrupt that we cannot see even our own bleak future if we continue on the present tracks ? It is for India to understand that by keeping Pakistan under pressure, they also have no prospects to achieve their international political goals. I think it would amount to insulting our collective wisdom and foresight if we think we will never be able to correct our course. People, media, intellectuals, leaders, soldiers, traders, farmers, and every segment of civil society should get involved in carving out our new destiny and force the present tides of hate and bigotry to subside, replacing it with cooperation, understanding and love. This is what all religions and philosophies profess.

Both countries should consider starting negotiations on ,No Aggression Pact, Resolution of Outstanding Issues through Peaceful Means, Strategic Stability Steps etc. Also people to people contacts, business communities’ interactions, sports and cultural exchanges be encouraged. All this is only possible in the environment of mutual respect and accommodations. This must become the top priority of the two governments. For this purpose special task forces be constituted on both sides comprising politicians, diplomats, social scientists, jurists and nuclear experts etc. Let us start a movement on both sides of the border to rise above petty or even bigger issues and get into the mode of resolving the problems, rather than fighting with or over them. This all might look strange coming from a veteran soldier. But believe it or not, no one hates war more than a soldier.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/335273-indo-pak-relations-dtente-the-only-way-forward



What really intrigues me is the approach of the writer while presenting plans for possible great future of Indo-Pak relations.


It seems that Pakistan has left with little options to bring Modi to negotiating table since Pakistan has no concessions to offer to India wrt Kashmir or terrorism.

Therefore if Pakistan want to start any dialogue with India then logically it must have something to bring to the table.

Pakistan has one great bargaining chip i.e. letting India use its territory to connect to Europe and Central Asia. Now Pakistan's ex NSA and this writer has been luring India with that possibility.

Has Pakistani establishment in course correction mode, may be because of economic compulsions OR is it Chinese prodding Pakistan to mend ties with India to make CPEC economically viable.

But one thing is for sure that if Pakistan is thinking on the lines of Passage Right to India then it will be a tectonic shift in the Pakistan's foreign policy
 
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i have heard that Nawaz already has factories in India, its also true that Nawz was backed by indian influential industrialists.

it shows one thing

Pakistani establishment has love affair with india internally and makes pakistan foolish.

when it comes to indian hindutva fanatics its the entire reason why pakistan was made, and relations cannot be normal if india doesn't look after its hindutva extremists

pakistan also has share of its terrorists but mostly they are used by establishment and no one else, on the contrary indian hindutva fanatism is a big problem because its not merely political.

hindutvas hardly accept muslims in their own country so pakistani relations will be a long shot, i think that india should work on its minorities better to accomodate them and make them equal citizens.

Pakistan india relations should normalise, as violent neighbour is not in any one's interest but both countries need to mend their ways first.

now, when it comes to kashmir, indian army should stop killing people and pakistanis stop using terrorists, kashmiris should be given right to decide if they want freedom or not, if kashmir wants freedom so be it.
 
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India can forget about its Afghan and Iranian corridor.

El Sidd
 
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Indo-Pak relations: détente the only way forward
| Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

Lt Gen Naeem Khalid Lodhi (Retd) Interim Federal Minister & Ex-Defence Secretary
June 29, 2018


Whenever two neighbouring states with strong political and military standoff acquire nuclear capabilities with effective delivery means, the entire gambit of diplomacy and warfare changes. Nuclear parity (that exists between Pakistan and India) if properly understood by political and military leaderships, nearly precludes nuclear war as well as conventional military operations. This automatically pushes the conflict in the political, diplomatic, psychological and economic zones. The danger of overt suicidal conflagration, institutes deterrence, but may give space to other types of warfare, falling in the ambit of Hybrid War or Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) definition. But it has to be understood that if pain threshold of the opponent is crossed, LIC can escalate and lead to dangerous and unthinkable overt operations. If these facts can sink in the minds of both groups of decision makers and trouble makers, they would realise that India and Pakistan have no option but to change their attitudes from adversarial to cooperation mode.

Without going in the lengthy discussion of the reasons of deep rooted mistrust and adversarial nature of Indo-Pak relations , the conclusions could be simplified to dump it on 'history', 'unresolved issues' and 'absence of will at politico-military' levels of both countries. Also there are enough indicators that some 'other players', due to their own political and economic interests, are not very keen to see a rapprochement or détente in the relationship of these two neighbours in the sub continent. Now under the prevailing environment, where do we go ? How do we get a fresh start ? I propose moving from easier to difficult. First let us try to get out of the groove of past history of animosity and concentrate on the present sticking issues. Who did what to whom ? Which grand empire was more grand in expanse and administration, Hindu, Muslim or Sikh? What conditions led to the partition of the sub continent, etc etc ? The matter of fact is that India and Pakistan are two separate nation states, and both have the ability to do very well in the comity of nations. Both countries are very well recognised the world over with memberships of all significant international and regional organisations and forums. Unfortunately both neighbours are afflicted with poverty, illiteracy, social and economic injustices and bad governance, to varying degrees. Social indicators are dismal and whatever resources have been developed, a major chunk of those are being wasted in continued useless confrontation.

So, can we try forgetting the bygones and start afresh, willingly accepting each other's existence and importance, with an understanding that future rather than past should guide our relations ? Coexist like any good neighbours in spite of some difficult issues that definitely require resolution. The two sides must realise that 'international arms producers' and those 'entities that get threatened' by the political and economic cooperation of the two neighbours, would never like and not encourage peace in the region. Our leaderships and peoples should not remain naive to fall prey to such machinations, and must show resolve and grit their feelings.

Secondly both countries should talk about demilitarisation of the Kashmir Region. Simultaneously create easement of movement and interaction, enabling social and economic activities in the region. Encourage people to people contact thus creating the right environment to recognise Kashmiris as the legitimate third party and initiate debates in pursuit of final settlement of the issue. The Resolutions of UN , all international and bilateral agreements remain in tact pending the final agreement by the three parties. If the two countries succeed in lowering the tensions and switch to cooperation mode, one and half billion people of the region will benefit immensely.

India will continue following the economic growth trajectory and smaller countries of the region will be able to latch on to this growing economy. Pakistan will be able to reorient its resources and overcome its economic and social woes. The whole region, including India will be able to benefit from China's new initiatives. India's desire of passage rights through Pakistan, both East-West and North-South will likely to be fulfilled. Iran, Afghanistan, entire SAARC Region and CARs will get connected and business as usual will result in social and economic development of a large chunk of the world. We shall all create bright prospects for one another, propelling the entire region on the rapid growth curve, bringing happiness and good life for all. Unprecedented growth likely as the hard earned capital will be diverted towards social sectors, raising the standards of education, health, justice and economic opportunities for the long deprived habitants of this unlucky region and beyond.

Now it is well understood that all the above is easier said than done; but is this region intellectually so bankrupt that we cannot see even our own bleak future if we continue on the present tracks ? It is for India to understand that by keeping Pakistan under pressure, they also have no prospects to achieve their international political goals. I think it would amount to insulting our collective wisdom and foresight if we think we will never be able to correct our course. People, media, intellectuals, leaders, soldiers, traders, farmers, and every segment of civil society should get involved in carving out our new destiny and force the present tides of hate and bigotry to subside, replacing it with cooperation, understanding and love. This is what all religions and philosophies profess.

Both countries should consider starting negotiations on ,No Aggression Pact, Resolution of Outstanding Issues through Peaceful Means, Strategic Stability Steps etc. Also people to people contacts, business communities’ interactions, sports and cultural exchanges be encouraged. All this is only possible in the environment of mutual respect and accommodations. This must become the top priority of the two governments. For this purpose special task forces be constituted on both sides comprising politicians, diplomats, social scientists, jurists and nuclear experts etc. Let us start a movement on both sides of the border to rise above petty or even bigger issues and get into the mode of resolving the problems, rather than fighting with or over them. This all might look strange coming from a veteran soldier. But believe it or not, no one hates war more than a soldier.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/335273-indo-pak-relations-dtente-the-only-way-forward



What really intrigues me is the approach of the writer while presenting plans for possible great future of Indo-Pak relations.


It seems that Pakistan has left with little options to bring Modi to negotiating table since Pakistan has no concessions to offer to India wrt Kashmir or terrorism.

Therefore if Pakistan want to start any dialogue with India then logically it must have something to bring to the table.

Pakistan has one great bargaining chip i.e. letting India use its territory to connect to Europe and Central Asia. Now Pakistan's ex NSA and this writer has been luring India with that possibility.

Has Pakistani establishment in course correction mode, may be because of economic compulsions OR is it Chinese prodding Pakistan to mend ties with India to make CPEC economically viable.

But one thing is for sure that if Pakistan is thinking on the lines of Passage Right to India then it will be a tectonic shift in the Pakistan's foreign policy

So much crap in just one article.

Not even one of these points he wants changed is beneficial to India and every single one of those is beneficial to Pakistan only.

Good luck if this is your mentality, General sahib.

That No Aggression Pact itself is hilarious. Pakistan must and should always remain under the threat of Indian aggression if we are to see lasting peace.

Peace is only possible as long as Pakistan believes India is too strong to militarily dominate.
 
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So much crap in just one article.

Not even one of these points he wants changed is beneficial to India and every single one of those is beneficial to Pakistan only.

Good luck if this is your mentality, General sahib.

That No Aggression Pact itself is hilarious. Pakistan must and should always remain under the threat of Indian aggression if we are to see lasting peace.

Peace is only possible as long as Pakistan believes India is too strong to militarily dominate.

Pakistan never took India serious...The irony for you guys.

You hate Pakistan because we spoil your game and can effectively raze you to dust.

Nepalis and Bengalis along with Sri Lankans and Maldives all hold favorable view of Pakistan.

No one likes your kind in region
 
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but is this region intellectually so bankrupt that we cannot see even our own bleak future if we continue on the present tracks ?
is there any doubt about that, wasnt pakistan creation of british whose sole aim was to ensure manipulation of the countries even after they left? ppl who could not see the western game.


It is for India to understand that by keeping Pakistan under pressure, they also have no prospects to achieve their international political goals.
we tried all the dirty tricks and failed. So now let us talk.

So much crap in just one article.

Not even one of these points he wants changed is beneficial to India and every single one of those is beneficial to Pakistan only.

Good luck if this is your mentality, General sahib.

That No Aggression Pact itself is hilarious. Pakistan must and should always remain under the threat of Indian aggression if we are to see lasting peace.

Peace is only possible as long as Pakistan believes India is too strong to militarily dominate.
author thinks he is doing us a favor but the truth is that pakistan has simply fallen into a ditch dug by itself.

We often hear the cliched statement that if you listen to us then you will achieve blah blah....etc which is nothing but indirect black mail. But the question is why does not pakistan which is economically tottering heed the same advice ?

Pakistan never took India serious...The irony for you guys.

You hate Pakistan because we spoil your game and can effectively raze you to dust.

Nepalis and Bengalis along with Sri Lankans and Maldives all hold favorable view of Pakistan.

No one likes your kind in region
stop talking about IPL cricket matches.
 
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author thinks he is doing us a favor but the truth is that pakistan has simply fallen into a ditch dug by itself.

We often hear the cliched statement that if you listen to us then you will achieve blah blah....etc which is nothing but indirect black mail. But the question is why does not pakistan which is economically tottering heed the same advice ?

The article is obvious. They made their bed. They refuse to lay in it. And now they want India to do something about it, so they don't end up in the bed they created.

Our aim right now is an arms race. And the Pakistanis want to avoid that as much as possible. Ain't gonna happen.
 
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No need for peace

Hate ensures our freedom

Peace and friendship will only mean trade, cultural exchange and our corrupt politicians happily selling out Pakistan for indian money

Hate means we are free
 
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