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India has apparently lost its cold war with China, or at least the current phase of it. What is disturbing to India is not only China's superior military power and stronger economy, but also China's intrusion into what was once regarded as India's backyard.

The development has rendered the so-called Indira doctrine ineffective or obsolete. The doctrine, formulated during the Indira Gandhi premiership, made it clear to regional countries that they should seek help from within the region — meaning India — before they approached any outside power. In terms of the doctrine, India opposed the presence of superpowers in the Indian Ocean which it regarded as its backyard. Small countries in the region were punished for defying the doctrine. It happened to Sri Lanka in the early 1980s. India armed, trained and financed the Sri Lanka's separatist rebellion. In the late 1980s Nepal tried to defy the doctrine and was punished. New Delhi economically suffocated the land-locked Himalayan nation by closing down almost all the trade routes.

Today India may be much stronger than what it was three decades ago. But its power is confined within its borders. In contrast, China has been increasing its soft and hard power and making its presence felt in South Asia and also throughout the world in so subtle a manner that India could do almost nothing except make belated remarks. Recent statements made by Indian leaders resemble the screams of a man who suddenly wakes up from his slumber under a tree and finds his belongings are gone.

Their statements, like a fiery storm, however, had blown away the cloth of diplomacy that had kept the disputes between the two countries covered. The disputes are now in the open.

The soft-spoken and usually philosophical Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was furious last week. The fire in his remarks made the rest of the world to stop and take note of what he said.

Though the remarks came against the backdrop of China's refusal to grant a visa to a top Indian military commander to visit Beijing, the real problem is more complex. It involves unresolved border issues — eg: Arunachel Pradesh — which led to a war between the two countries in 1962. It also involves Kashmir, the presence of Dalai Lama in India and New Delhi's perception that China is increasing its assertive presence in India's backyard.

India suspects China is interfering in Kashmir. A little known fact about Kashmir is that it is shared by not only India and Pakistan but also China. Kashmir's Aksai Chin region is with China. Though India has been making occasional noises about what it calls Chinese occupation of Kashmir, Pakistan goes along with China's claim of sovereignty over Aksai Chin. There is strong suspicion in New Delhi that not only Pakistan, but China also is stoking up trouble in Indian-administered Kashmir.

China last year started issuing a different kind of visas to the people of Kashmir, sending a strong message to India that Beijing did not recognize India's sovereignty over the disputed region. China's explanation to India in refusing the visa to the Indian military officer is that he was not welcome because of his role in Kashmir.

Premier Singh's remarks came days after India fired off a strongly-worded demarche — a diplomatic note — to China, saying it was calling off the defence exercises and exchange programmes between the two countries.

China responded to the Indian anger with cool diplomacy pointing to the thriving trade between the two countries and claiming that Beijing was committed to the Pancha-Sheela principles that define China's relations with India.

Singh charged that China was seeking to expand its influence in South Asia and gain a "foothold" in the region.

"China would like to have a foothold in South Asia and we have to reflect on this reality. We have to be aware of this," Singh said.

He said China's leadership would change in two years and there was a new assertiveness among the Chinese. "It is difficult to tell which way it will go. So it's important to be prepared," he said.

Hidden in Singh's statement is India's disappointment over its failure to check effectively China's intrusion into South Asia and the Indian Ocean region. India was a mere onlooker when China built ports in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Myanmar. Except for Pakistan, India has friendly relations with all its neighbours. But today China weighs heavier on the diplomatic scales of India's neighbours. China has become Sri Lanka's biggest aid giver. China's harbour project in Hambantota has raised the eyebrows of Indian defence analysts. However much both Sri Lanka and China insist that the harbour project is essentially a commercial venture and has no military intentions, these analysts say India could not prevent Sri Lanka from allowing China to have a strong foothold in Hambantota from which Beijing can, if it wants to or if the needs arises, control a vast area of the Indian Ocean extending up to Antarctica.

Myanmar has become a virtual Chinese protectorate. Last month, China and Myanmar conducted a series of naval exercises close to Indian waters, prompting India to put its naval troops on alert.

Premier Singh's statement is not the sole protest. Opposing China's assertiveness has become India's official policy. This week, India's Defence Minister A.K. Anthony addressing a combined commanders' conference in Delhi, said India could not ignore the fact that Beijing was fast improving its military and physical infrastructure on the border. He called on Indian military leaders to keep abreast of the military modernisation drive in the neighbourhood to ensure that the Indian armed forces held an edge in the region.

India's sudden awakening to the growing Chinese power has moved it to seek new strategic allies. It has found one such ally in Japan. In recent weeks, Japan and China have been trading charges and counter charges over the arrest of a Chinese fishing captain off some disputed islands in the East China Sea after his boat collided with Japanese coast guard craft. The uninhabited but believed-to-be oil-rich islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are controlled by Japan, but are also claimed by China and Taiwan. The incident has raised tempers in both countries.

When Japan's Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada held talks with his Indian counterpart S.M. Krishna in New Delhi last month, they shared concern over Beijing's growing military power and its military build-up in India's neighbourhood.

The Indian Express newspaper quoted sources as saying that the two sides had expressed "similar language" in describing Chinese actions.

India is also seeking to strengthen its defence relations with the United States. During the George W. Bush administration, the two countries had struck a strong bond in the fight against their common enemy — Islamic terrorism. The relations between them improved with the signing of a civilian nuclear deal and enhanced defence cooperation. But under President Barack Obama, the speed with which the relations improved has slowed down a little. This was largely because of the Obama administration's pressure on India to find a speedy solution to the Kashmiri problem. However, the visit of Obama to India in November, analysts say, will give the necessary impetus for relations between them to reach the level that was seen during the Bush era.

Of course, the rise of China's military power is a concern for the US as well. According to Indian media reports, US Pacific Forces' commander Admiral Robert Willard on a visit to India referred to China's 'naval assertiveness', which he said had 'complicated matters'.

Though Admiral Willard did not elaborate, he was probably referring to the US concern over the growing Chinese presence in South Asia, Central Asia and the Pacific. One reason why the US is unwilling to leave Afghanistan is its fear that the vacuum created by its departure would be filled by China. According to the latest Globalfirepower.com rankings, China is second only to the United States in terms of military power. India occupies the fourth place after Russia.

These moves and diplomatic contacts may indicate informal alliance formation. The problem with these informal alliance formations is that no bloc has advantage over the other, especially in view of the nuclear capabilities of the major players. The nuclear deterrent works and will avert a major war. China certainly knows this and quietly spreads its power far and wide, reaching even Africa and Latin America.

http://www.dailymirror.lk/print/index.php/opinion1/21723.html
 
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No One is Having Any Cold War..... To the Contrary India and China Share a Good Trade Relationship, India has Recently Allowed China to Invest In India's Key Strategic Areas for Building Infrastructures.India and China Stood Shoulder to Shoulder against the West In the Copenhagen Summit... I do Not see See it as any Cold War. There are a Lot of Needling from both the Ends, Its Not Either's Fault, It was Because of the British who left the Borders Disputed while he Withdrew...
 
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Barack OSAMA is a one trick pony with one term. He is losing election in 2010 will be a sitting duck president when he will ultimately lose in 2012. He screwed up the relations with India, and extended the war in afghanistan with more boots.

Economy and Afghanistan will drag him down, and the whole america will sing GOOD RIDDANCE.

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Yeah, India lost its cold war with China. We lost every thing... the road to Chittagong will be end of India OH MY GOD.. I m scared.. scared..
 
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No One is Having Any Cold War..... To the Contrary India and China Share a Good Trade Relationship, India has Recently Allowed China to Invest In India's Key Strategic Areas for Building Infrastructures.India and China Stood Shoulder to Shoulder against the West In the Copenhagen Summit... I do Not see See it as any Cold War. There are a Lot of Needling from both the Ends, Its Not Either's Fault, It was Because of the British who left the Borders Disputed while he Withdrew...

Exactly right. :tup: There is no cold war situation in Asia.

We ALL have more important things to worry about, like our economic growth, and trying to improve the lives of our people.
 
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Exactly right, there is no cold war situation in Asia.

We all have more important things to worry about, like our economic growth and infrastructure.

Yes, Indeed, Both the Nations are High On energy and Its the Need Of the day to stay together and Avoid Any Exploitation by the west... And I think our Diplomatic Relations are Improving even though there is Pinch of Uneasiness Felt shaking Hands, But that too would be Gone when its Made a routine....:cheers:
 
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Barack OSAMA is a one trick pony with one term. He is losing election in 2010 will be a sitting duck president when he will ultimately lose in 2012. He screwed up the relations with India, and extended the war in afghanistan with more boots.

Economy and Afghanistan will drag him down, and the whole america will sing GOOD RIDDANCE.

:usflag:

Yeah, India lost its cold war with China. We lost every thing... the road to Chittagong will be end of India OH MY GOD.. I m scared.. scared..

What do you think about Obama being born in Hawaii?
 
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Jiaolong - An Underwater Dragon

Sarabjeet Singh Parmar

September 16, 2010


Some time in end August 2010 the Chinese heralded their entry into an elite band of nations that have deep diving capability. On 27 August 2010 the Chinese authorities announced that a domestic submersible called Jiaolong had reached a depth of 3,759 meters. The dive took place in the South China Sea and a Chinese flag was planted on the seabed using a robotic arm. This earmarked China as the fifth country in the world to acquire deep diving technology surpassing the 3,500 meter depth mark. As per reports the Chinese submersible is 8.2 meters long, weighs nearly 22 tons, can carry a crew of three (one driver and two researchers) and is designed to reach a depth of 7,000 meters. Jiaolong is considered to be the world's only deep-sea vessel that can theoretically reach that depth. Japan's submersible Shinkai has a depth capability of 6,500 meters. The other three nations with deep diving technology are USA, France and Russia. Jiaolong in Chinese folklore is a mythical shape-shifting water dragon.

This would give the Chinese access to 99.8 per cent of the world’s ocean floor and the capability of harnessing the lode of mineral wealth, especially oil. It would also give them the capability of viewing and examining submarine cables that carry other nations communications and objects of intelligence value that were hitherto not reachable. These include lost nuclear arms, sunken submarines and ships, and also the many warheads that have been fired for missile testing.

Chinese officials say that this submersible development (still under further testing) is aimed at scientific research to aid peaceful exploration and utilization of natural resources. Presently the submersible operates with a mother ship as do most of the submersibles in the world.

Development of submersible technology commenced around half a century ago and China has developed a deep sea capability in eight years. Considering that China is a new entrant in this field this fast track development has far reaching implications. A question that arises is: how did China achieve so much in so little time? There has been, perhaps, a take off point for the Chinese Navy. According to experts the development of China’s submarine arm has been more incremental than radical. In 2003 an entire Ming class crew died due to asphyxiation. In 2004 a Han class submarine was successfully detected and tracked by Japanese anti-submarine forces. A publicly released US Office of Naval Intelligence assessment dated August 2009 hinted that China was not moving aggressively to build beyond the two initial nuclear platforms envisaged. In addition, the forces the Chinese submarine arm faces are formidable and experienced. Therefore, it can be safely assumed that the present gap in underwater capabilities has led to an emphasis on unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs). According to a researcher from the Beijing Academy of Naval Armaments, Chinese naval strategists are emphasizing the development of unmanned systems as they place the mission at the core rather than the human element, they have relatively simple construction, are highly flexible and are impervious to the most arduous combat conditions.

UUV research in China has been on for almost three decades. Since the 1980s a number of UUVs have been constructed. One such UUV, CR-01, co-developed with Russia, has apparently been successfully used as an exclusive economic zone platform. It is believed that research for using UUVs as nodes for information networks using acoustic communication methods is being conducted.

Very little is known about the stages of research and success rates of the UUVs built. However, if one were to couple this research with the procurement of remotely-operated underwater vehicles (ROVs) for commercial purposes from European companies, then we are looking at a steadfast approach for design and construction of UUVs meant for military purposes. This would include a number of strategic and tactical purposes.

* Intelligence gathering
* Mine laying and clearance
* Laying and monitoring of sensor chains in areas of interest, with UUVs themselves used as sensor chains
* Disruption and monitoring of communications carried by submarine cables
* Striking at strategic and tactical targets by remote launched weapons or expendable UUVs
* Communication link especially in mid-ocean areas not under human surveillance
* Monitoring of shipping especially choke points

The futuristic implications for India are tremendous. Once the Chinese achieve the capability of producing UUVs with deep depth capability, they could surround India by placing these submersibles at strategic places. Apart from Chinese ports these submersibles could also be loaded on both merchant and naval ships at friendly foreign ports in the Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal and launched mid-ocean and near choke points. This would achieve a dual objective: firstly, monitor all merchant shipping and thereby enhance protection of ships flying the Chinese flag; and secondly, monitor movements of Indian Naval and Coast Guard ships and assess exercises conducted by them. This would vastly erode the advantage of intrinsic mobility of naval operations in a fluid medium. All this adds up to increasing Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA) to a great extent and MDA is vital for a nation’s maritime security and economic health.

Jiaolong - An Underwater Dragon | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
 
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InPhilTraitor;1139371[COLOR="Red" said:
Barack OSAMA is a one trick pony with one term. He is losing election in 2010 will be a sitting duck president when he will ultimately lose in 2012. He screwed up the relations with India, and extended the war in afghanistan with more boots.

Economy and Afghanistan will drag him down, and the whole america will sing GOOD RIDDANCE.

:usflag:

Yeah, India lost its cold war with China. We lost every thing... the road to Chittagong will be end of India OH MY GOD.. I m scared.. scared..

Why do you keep saying Barack "Osama" ? Whats the point in that ? Take your verbal diarrhea somewhere else like the BR forum. I don't think you belong here.


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What do you think about Obama being born in Hawaii?

Obama is American citizen and Christian. You have mis-perception about me that I am some kind of tea party nut-job.

But I am pissed with his ineffective Finance bill which does not fix the too big to fail and extreme leverage of Banks. An entitlement program in Healthcare bill in collusion with Insurance industry mandating buying Healthcare..

His foreign policy of appeasement of China esp. with the PEG of renmibi, which liberals like Paul Krugman are shouting through the lungs about getting it right...

Barack OSAMA is not as bad a Bush, but US deserves better than a "Spineless Orator".

But I like calling him Barack OSAMA.. just for fun.
 
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Obama is American citizen and Christian. You have mis-perception about me that I am some kind of tea party nut-job.

But I am pissed with his ineffective Finance bill which does not fix the too big to fail and extreme leverage of Banks. An entitlement program in Healthcare bill in collusion with Insurance industry mandating buying Healthcare..

His foreign policy of appeasement of China esp. with the PEG of renmibi, which liberals like Paul Krugman are shouting through the lungs about getting it right...

Barack OSAMA is not as bad a Bush, but US deserves better than a "Spineless Orator".

But I like calling him Barack OSAMA.. just for fun.

Sure fooled me.
 
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You are one disgusting individual. Why do you keep saying Barack "Osama" ? Whats the point in that ? Take your verbal diarrhea somewhere else like the BR forum. I don't think you belong here.


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I dont want to derail the thread... OK If that really pisses of people, I would be respectful to him from next time.. Barack Obama. Me calling him OSAMA is a harmless diatribe. I do not have any point expect that I dislike his administration.
 
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Sino-India relation looks like a swinging pendulun,on 1 particular day it swings to the good side and on another particular day it swing to the bad side
 
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Obama is American citizen and Christian. You have mis-perception about me that I am some kind of tea party nut-job.

But I am pissed with his ineffective Finance bill which does not fix the too big to fail and extreme leverage of Banks. An entitlement program in Healthcare bill in collusion with Insurance industry mandating buying Healthcare..

His foreign policy of appeasement of China esp. with the PEG of renmibi, which liberals like Paul Krugman are shouting through the lungs about getting it right...

Barack OSAMA is not as bad a Bush, but US deserves better than a "Spineless Orator".

But I like calling him Barack OSAMA.. just for fun.

American history is a joke.Too many presidents in family name of Adams,Roosevelts,Bushs,and just in present days there is a president whose name let you thingk of barrack&militant .
 
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there was never a cold war, in fact we need each other
 
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As I have said earlier these people are too afraid to see two Asian giants march together ....
In that case there will be no chance for the enemy either it be a super power or any others.
 
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