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India Tempts Fate in Kashmir, ‘The Most Dangerous Place in the World’
By revoking the special status of the mountainous territory, India is courting conflict with Pakistan.

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.
  • Aug. 5, 2019
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Indian soldiers block a road during restrictions in Jammu and Kashmir on Monday.CreditCreditChanni Anand/Associated Press

The Indian government’s decision to revoke the semiautonomous status of Kashmir, accompanied by a huge security clampdown, is dangerous and wrong. Bloodshed is all but certain, and tension with Pakistan will soar.

The Himalayan territory of Kashmir has long been the central source of friction between India and Pakistan and a hotbed of separatist aspirations. Rival claims to Kashmir have led to two wars and frequent eruptions of violence and terrorism over the past seven decades, made all the more menacing by the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan. Only in February, a Kashmiri suicide bomber struck an Indian military convoy, prompting a tense military standoff and aerial dogfights between India and Pakistan. After an earlier such incident, former president Bill Clinton dubbed Kashmir “the most dangerous place in the world.”

The Indian government knows how incendiary its actions are, which is why, before making the announcement on Monday, it ordered tens of thousands more troops into Kashmir, put major political figures under house arrest, ordered tourists to leave, closed schools and cut off internet services.

The government claimed it was acting to prevent a planned terrorist attack. But Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his governing Bharatiya Janata Party, deeply rooted in Hindu nationalist ideology, have long made no secret of their intention to revoke the articles in the Indian Constitution granting the predominantly Muslim Kashmir a special status — a move the B.J.P. sees as “correcting a historical blunder.”

That “blunder” began with Britain’s 1947 partition of its Indian colony into a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan. The status of what was then the principality of Jammu and Kashmir was left undecided. India and Pakistan soon fell to blows over it, which ended with Pakistan occupying roughly a third and India two-thirds, divided by a heavily armed and bullet-riddled “line of control.” India’s side was granted a relative degree of autonomy in exchange for accepting Indian rule.

The United Nations recommended holding a referendum to let Kashmiris decide their fate, but that never happened. In later years, Muslim militants, often backed by Pakistan, joined the fray, striking at Indian troops in Kashmir and at targets deep inside India, including a multiday killing spree in Mumbai in 2008 that left more than 160 people dead.

In this volatile stew, India’s latest action provoked instant vows of resistance. The Kashmiris are especially incensed by the lifting of a ban they had long imposed on the purchase of land by nonresidents, to prevent their land from being bought up by Indians. “There will be chaos if our identity is compromised,” vowed Mehbooba Mufti, a former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir. In neighboring Pakistan the sabers were quick to rattle. “Pakistan will exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps,” declared the Pakistan Foreign Ministry, while Shahbaz Sharif, the leader of the political opposition, thundered that “Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan, and anyone laying a hand on our jugular vein will meet a frightful end.”

The fray is not without global implications. Under President Trump, the United States has shifted its favors from Pakistan, a longtime recipient of American aid, to India, which the administration perceives as a bulwark against China. China, meanwhile, has become an ally and financial patron of Pakistan.

There is still a good chance that the changes to the Constitution will end up before India’s Supreme Court. But the fires are already lit. The United States and China must not allow Kashmir to become a pawn in their ongoing disputes; on the contrary, the United States, China, the United Nations and other powers with influence over India and Pakistan must urgently do what they can to prevent India’s folly from escalating into a perilous and unpredictable regional crisis.
 
The US mouth piece have started to bash Modi's move on Kashmir, this should tell a thing or two about Washington's mood. This is the last thing they want when they expect Pakistan to make a deal between the taliban and US.
Pakistan can now play smart and start shifting troops from Pak Afghan border to India Pakistan border. Lets turn up the heat.
 
The US mouth piece have started to bash Modi's move on Kashmir, this should tell a thing or two about Washington's mood. This is the last thing they want when they expect Pakistan to make a deal between the taliban and US.
Pakistan can now play smart and start shifting troops from Pak Afghan border to India Pakistan border. Lets turn up the heat.

This is a very critical time for IK and military. If they didn't deliver, expect IK to lose elections and army to lose its support in public.
 
This is how the world sees it! A threat to peace in the region, a step with no positive impact or outcome AND a step that is ILLEGAL. Yet the Indians are "celebrating" just as they were celebrating after the Sir Je Kal strikes.
 
arm the Kashmiries and watch how india collapse.
Yesterday i met one Kashmiri from Srinagar who told me how bad it is in Kashmir right now and Punjabi and Kashmiri only asking Pakistan to provide them amo then just watch how india come to the table by begging Pakistan.
i have no idea why Pakistan is not supporting Kashmiries. We have enough resolutions and condemnation in world. we need aggressive diplomacy directly talk with Russia China Us european union and UK cuz india is not worth having a big territory.
 
This is how the world sees it! A threat to peace in the region, a step with no positive impact or outcome AND a step that is ILLEGAL. Yet the Indians are "celebrating" just as they were celebrating after the Sir Je Kal strikes.

The world sees Israeli settlements as illegal and immoral. Do you see anything happening ? No

We may write flowery words , use high vocabulary , use extraordinary examples ,appear civilized but in the end , what matters is sword and money. You can see our economic situation and we don't really have technological and numeral advantage when it comes to military.

Indians don't feel threatened. That is why they went ahead with it.
 
India Tempts Fate in Kashmir, ‘The Most Dangerous Place in the World’
By revoking the special status of the mountainous territory, India is courting conflict with Pakistan.

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.
  • Aug. 5, 2019
05indiakashmir-articleLarge-v2.jpg

Indian soldiers block a road during restrictions in Jammu and Kashmir on Monday.CreditCreditChanni Anand/Associated Press

The Indian government’s decision to revoke the semiautonomous status of Kashmir, accompanied by a huge security clampdown, is dangerous and wrong. Bloodshed is all but certain, and tension with Pakistan will soar.

The Himalayan territory of Kashmir has long been the central source of friction between India and Pakistan and a hotbed of separatist aspirations. Rival claims to Kashmir have led to two wars and frequent eruptions of violence and terrorism over the past seven decades, made all the more menacing by the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan. Only in February, a Kashmiri suicide bomber struck an Indian military convoy, prompting a tense military standoff and aerial dogfights between India and Pakistan. After an earlier such incident, former president Bill Clinton dubbed Kashmir “the most dangerous place in the world.”

The Indian government knows how incendiary its actions are, which is why, before making the announcement on Monday, it ordered tens of thousands more troops into Kashmir, put major political figures under house arrest, ordered tourists to leave, closed schools and cut off internet services.

The government claimed it was acting to prevent a planned terrorist attack. But Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his governing Bharatiya Janata Party, deeply rooted in Hindu nationalist ideology, have long made no secret of their intention to revoke the articles in the Indian Constitution granting the predominantly Muslim Kashmir a special status — a move the B.J.P. sees as “correcting a historical blunder.”

That “blunder” began with Britain’s 1947 partition of its Indian colony into a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan. The status of what was then the principality of Jammu and Kashmir was left undecided. India and Pakistan soon fell to blows over it, which ended with Pakistan occupying roughly a third and India two-thirds, divided by a heavily armed and bullet-riddled “line of control.” India’s side was granted a relative degree of autonomy in exchange for accepting Indian rule.

The United Nations recommended holding a referendum to let Kashmiris decide their fate, but that never happened. In later years, Muslim militants, often backed by Pakistan, joined the fray, striking at Indian troops in Kashmir and at targets deep inside India, including a multiday killing spree in Mumbai in 2008 that left more than 160 people dead.

In this volatile stew, India’s latest action provoked instant vows of resistance. The Kashmiris are especially incensed by the lifting of a ban they had long imposed on the purchase of land by nonresidents, to prevent their land from being bought up by Indians. “There will be chaos if our identity is compromised,” vowed Mehbooba Mufti, a former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir. In neighboring Pakistan the sabers were quick to rattle. “Pakistan will exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps,” declared the Pakistan Foreign Ministry, while Shahbaz Sharif, the leader of the political opposition, thundered that “Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan, and anyone laying a hand on our jugular vein will meet a frightful end.”

The fray is not without global implications. Under President Trump, the United States has shifted its favors from Pakistan, a longtime recipient of American aid, to India, which the administration perceives as a bulwark against China. China, meanwhile, has become an ally and financial patron of Pakistan.

There is still a good chance that the changes to the Constitution will end up before India’s Supreme Court. But the fires are already lit. The United States and China must not allow Kashmir to become a pawn in their ongoing disputes; on the contrary, the United States, China, the United Nations and other powers with influence over India and Pakistan must urgently do what they can to prevent India’s folly from escalating into a perilous and unpredictable regional crisis.
Whatever that is, it's a perfect opportunity for USA. USA can get Kashmir free, land in it as UN force. All USA has to do is to negotiate with Pakistan for their peaceful stay in valley, which is easy :D

So USA, your chance to get rid of Afghanistan is here.
 
This is a very critical time for IK and military. If they didn't deliver, expect IK to lose elections and army to lose its support in public.
Actually the word "Delivery" has different meanings for everyone. But i have seen in the past how Zardari and Nawaz governments handled this. During Zardari when Mumbai happened, Gilanis own def sec gave those stunning remarks about Ajmal Kisab, than memogate scandal which involved Hussain Haqqani than OBL raid. Nawaz famous words about how army does make him initiate peace and later dawn leaks scandal, and his remarks on Pakistan supporting factions which resulted in FATF grey list etc. Compare to that i do believe this government is doing a lot better. This was seen on 27th Feb. However we too should be realistic in our expectations after all Pakistan itself is going through worst times in terms of our economy, Afghan crisis on our western border, a lot of factors are at play here.
 
Actually the word "Delivery" has different meanings for everyone. But i have seen in the past how Zardari and Nawaz governments handled this. During Zardari when Mumbai happened, Gilanis own def sec gave those stunning remarks about Ajmal Kisab, than memogate scandal which involved Hussain Haqqani than OBL raid. Nawaz famous words about how army does make him initiate peace and later dawn leaks scandal, and his remarks on Pakistan supporting factions which resulted in FATF grey list etc. Compare to that i do believe this government is doing a lot better. This was seen on 27th Feb. However we too should be realistic in our expectations after all Pakistan itself is going through worst times in terms of our economy, Afghan crisis on our western border, a lot of factors are at play here.

IK is not that great when it comes to foreign policy. He did great blunders while talking at the conference organized by a think thank in Washington.
 
IK is not that great when it comes to foreign policy. He did great blunders while talking at the conference organized by a think thank in Washington.
By great you mean he has flaws, nobody is perfect and considering its his first time at the helm we do need to cut him some slack. But overall he is doing a far better job if not great by taking on Pakistans stance than anybody else has done in the past.
 
Whatever that is, it's a perfect opportunity for USA. USA can get Kashmir free, land in it as UN force. All USA has to do is to negotiate with Pakistan for their peaceful stay in valley, which is easy :D

So USA, your chance to get rid of Afghanistan is here.
Stop pedalling this conspiracy shit..
 
This is how the world sees it! A threat to peace in the region, a step with no positive impact or outcome AND a step that is ILLEGAL. Yet the Indians are "celebrating" just as they were celebrating after the Sir Je Kal strikes.

Sir Je Kal :cheesy:
 
The US mouth piece have started to bash Modi's move on Kashmir, this should tell a thing or two about Washington's mood. This is the last thing they want when they expect Pakistan to make a deal between the taliban and US.
Pakistan can now play smart and start shifting troops from Pak Afghan border to India Pakistan border. Lets turn up the heat.
a prolonged or delayed afghan solution works best for India... Pakistan stalling the Afghanistan deal will be a very welcome move by all Indian agencies... either way, Pakistan has very little option
 

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