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[Umair Nawaz]

Yes, the combined rule of Muslims may be close to 1000 yrs. IN S.A but you cannot say that the Muslims ruled S.A and hence India for 1000 yrs.......there is a difference between ruling in S.A(ruling parts of S.A) and ruling S.A(ruling majority/all of S.A).....
That guy in post #8 said that Muslims ruled India for 1000 yrs.(to which I objected and you objected to my objection).....You're counting from 800 CE i.e from the period when Arab incursions started but the Arabs were unable to proceed beyond Sindh i.e they were contained within modern day Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan by Indian kings......subsequent incursions further east were repelled by Indian kings till 12th century, therefore, you can safely deduct at least 400 yrs. from your 1000 year propaganda if you're talking about modern day India......
Now, we see that the Islamic 'Delhi Sultanate', from the 'slave dynasty' to the 'Lodhi Dynasty', lasted for approx. 300 yrs. but it covered only parts of S.A, then the Mughals ruled majority of S.A for approx. 200 yrs......
So, the Muslims actually ruled S.A and hence India, for only 200 yrs......even if you consider 'Delhi Sultanate' on the basis that it covered parts of India, you have approx. 300+200=500 yrs.....

in 8th century the first army came here in Sindh province of Pakistan and beaten the local monarch of Raja Dahir. We just stayed there for just 4 years to reinstalled a just Government and bring that rule of law again. Thats all. The army came under the command of 17 years old Mohammad Bin Qasim, he was send by Emperor of Persia, Siraj ud Dohla after the request of a Sufi Saint i think it was Khawaja Chistie(?) because Dahir was very cruel, an ultra type cruel he was the sindhi version of yr modi!!!

Thats why army was send just to defeat and kill him and reestablish the rule of law of a new government of locals who were just. When that happened the Army returned back. Its objectives werent there to stay and go further east and continue their conquest. That was the time in 8th century we started our rule, maybe just for 4 yrs

Im not a very expert in history but i think it was later Mahmood Ghauri(?) who came here for a real conquest.

You are the one who deserves a ban, since you called a whole nation as 'cavemen' and the member you quoted as a 'buffoon'. These 'cavemen', although being under toughest sanctions, still have a better life than majority of Pakistani people, with all due respect to all dear Pakistanis, but this is not the first time I'm hearing insults from some Pakistani members towards Iran, and I'm used to it somehow, while I barely see any Indian insulting Iran here.

And he got banned not me isnt it?

We were discussing the Muslim History and the glorious time we ruled the entire world for abt 1000 years, it was him who said Iranis humiliate u (pakistanis) read post#88 then in response post#89 in which i tried to explain the irani attitude that i have observed post revolution (yes that could be because sanctions) the isolation in which yr post generations of young that have grown in yr country. And i tried to explain why they (irani nations) do that. As an example let me remind u of people like Yavar, Sohail etc etc, have u even seen heir attitude? From my experience there are just 2 irani members worth a debate one is u and other is Mr Haman 10. U try to debate with an open mind and cool mind. That attitude i havnt seen in other members of iran in this forum (no offence). Even dont buy much into him even these indians dont agree with everything u say, remember the thread where u guys refused the gas field initiative their government had proposed(?) remember that?

Brother look im no ordinary citizen of my country, thats why i understand the importance of iran not just iran but of the persian empire, we have learnt a lot from it, even Islam came in Pakistan through persian empire, these people want us to abandon them all and our cultural, religious roots with not just iran but with muslim world. (u can read his previous posts as well before post#88 with me) and the fact that he forced me in post#88 to tell him that how much contribution we gave to iran (nuclear) and its military.

Hope u get it now. Just try to understand these indians they are not friends of us muslims.

 

[parkour guy]

We ruled you for thousand years and we succeeded in doing so because of Ummah mentality.Pakistan came into being because we never wanted to get ruled by our own slaves hence we had to separate from all the shitty areas of the Subcontinent.Till now you are continuing your tradition of shitting in the open. I wont talk for others but I wud go fkn crazy looking at people shitting everywhere and keep looking down for the rest of my life in fear of getting my shoes dirty. There are thousands of reasons why we chose to live separately from our former slaves But i got better things to do so I will leave u btchs to ur ignorance.

Chaa giya...

 

[Manas]

in 8th century the first army came here in Sindh province of Pakistan and beaten the local monarch of Raja Dahir. We just stayed there for just 4 years to reinstalled a just Government and bring that rule of law again. Thats all. The army came under the command of 17 years old Mohammad Bin Qasim, he was send by Emperor of Persia, Siraj ud Dohla after the request of a Sufi Saint i think it was Khawaja Chistie(?) because Dahir was very cruel, an ultra type cruel he was the sindhi version of yr modi!!!

Thats why army was send just to defeat and kill him and reestablish the rule of law of a new government of locals who were just. When that happened the Army returned back. Its objectives werent there to stay and go further east and continue their conquest. That was the time in 8th century we started our rule, maybe just for 4 yrs

The army came under the command of 17 years old Mohammad Bin Qasim, he was send by Emperor of Persia, Siraj ud Dohla ???

Man , where did you take your history lessons ?? Was it your street corner Madrassa ?? LOL

Siraj ud Dohla was king Bengal in 1760 AD some 1000 year after Muhammad bin Qasim's conquest Sindh .

BTW Muhammad bin Qasim who was an Arab commander himself , not Persian , sent by Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, Governor of Iraq to the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid to invade Sindh.

Also learn why Muhammad bin Qasim had to leave sindh , on a death sentence and who gave that death sentence .


" India's first Muslim invader Muhammad bin Qasim, who conquered Sindh in 712 CE, died a miserable death because of the shrewd manipulation of Raja Dahir's daughter Suryadevi, says a Sindhi book.

According to Akhtar Balouch, writing in the Pakistani daily Dawn, after Raja Dahir was killed, two of his daughters, Suryadevi and Pirmaldevi, were captured and sent by the Arab commander Muhammad bin Qasim to his Caliph Walid bin Abdul Malik in Damascus.

Balouch quotes "Chachnama", a Sindhi book published by the SIndhi Adabi Board in 2008, where the death of Muhammad bin Qasim has been mentioned on pages 242-243.

According to the book, the Caliph of the Muslims called the two young women to his court after a few days. He was smitten by the beauty of Suryadevi, and ordered that her younger sister be taken away.

The book mentions how when the Caliph made sexual advances towards Dahir's daughter, she sprang up and said: “May the king live long: I, a humble slave, am not fit for your Majesty's bedroom, because Muhammad Bin Qasim kept both of us sisters with him for three days, and then sent us to the caliphate. Perhaps your custom is such, but this kind of disgrace should not be permitted by kings.”

According to the book, on hearing this, the Caliph became angry, and immediately sent for pen, ink and paper. With his own hands he issued an order, directing that, “Muhammad (Bin) Qasim should, wherever he may be, put himself in raw leather and come back to the chief seat of the caliphate.”

When Muhammad Bin Qasim received the Caliph’s orders in Udaipur, he directed his men to wrap himup in raw leather and lock him in a trunk before taking him to Damascus.

En route to the capital, Muhammad Bin Qasim, breathed his last. When the trunk carrying Muhammad Bin Qasim’s body wrapped in raw leather reached the Caliph’s court, the Caliph called Raja Dahir’s daughters, and asked them to watch the spectacle of the obedience of his men.

One of Raja Dahir’s daughter’s then spoke: “The fact is that Muhammad Qasim was like a brother or a son to us; he never touched us, your slaves, and our chastity was safe with him. But in as much as he brought ruin on the king of Hind and Sind, desolated the kingdom of our fathers and grandfathers, and degraded us from princely rank to slavery, we have, with the intention of revenge and of bringing ruin and degradation to him in return, misrepresented the matter and spoken a false thing to your majesty against him.”

The author of the Chachnama then writes that had Muhammad Bin Qasim not lost his senses in the passion of obedience, he could have made the whole journey normally, while wrapping himself in raw leather and locking himself in a trunk only when a part of the journey remained to be covered. He could have then proven himself innocent in the Caliph’s court and saved himself from such a fate. "

LOL

 

[Umair Nawaz]

The army came under the command of 17 years old Mohammad Bin Qasim, he was send by Emperor of Persia, Siraj ud Dohla ???

Man , where did you take your history lessons ?? Was it your street corner Madrassa ?? LOL

Siraj ud Dohla was king Bengal in 1760 AD some 1000 year after Muhammad bin Qasim's conquest Sindh .

BTW Muhammad bin Qasim who was an Arab himself , not Persian , sent by Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, Governor of Iraq to the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid to invade Sindh.

yeah sorry got confused with names, im not a history expert.

Mohammad Bin Qasim was from Taif, Saudia arabia. But i guess u got the main point of our 1000 years rule starting from 8th century AD.

 

[Manas]

yeah sorry got confused with names, im not a history expert.

Mohammad Bin Qasim was from Taif, Saudia arabia. But i guess u got the main point of our 1000 years rule starting from 8th century AD.

Yes , you are confusing too much . So better learn some history before show casing your laughable history knowledge.

And listen Buddy , as already made it clear by other indian poster, though Sindh was conquered in 715 AD , Lahore was by conquered in 1024 AD , long after that the Delhi fall to Ghori in 1192 AD who defeated then Rajput hindu king of delhi prithviraj chauhan . Watch the long timeline period.

Even when Delhi was by so called mulims ( The khilji dynasty ) , they only ruled parts of north india, not even half of india. South india was ruled by the Vijay Nagar empire . And east india like home state Odisha was ruled local hindu king.

This one of the greatest monument of the world , the Sun temple at konark also famously known as the black pagoda bulit built by king Narasimhadeva I of Eastern Ganga Dynasty around AD 1250 .

It was only the Moghuls who ruled the most parts of mordern indian leaving aside North east india or Assam. Their effective rule lasted till 1720 AD . That is 170 years of effective Moghul rule.

So the so called muslim rule of india was for 200 years , not 1000 years.
Although its true for region called pakistan , where the Muslim rule still persists.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Yes , you are confusing too much . So better learn some history before show casing your laughable history knowledge.

And listen Buddy , as already made it clear by other indian poster, though Sindh was conquered in 715 AD , Lahore was by conquered in 1024 AD , long after that the Delhi fall to Ghori in 1192 AD who defeated then Rajput hindu king of delhi prithviraj chauhan . Watch the long timeline period.

Even when Delhi was by so called mulims ( The khilji dynasty ) , they only ruled parts of north india, not even half of india. South india was ruled by the Vijay Nagar empire . And east india like home state Odisha was ruled local hindu king.

This one of the greatest monument of the world , the Sun temple at konark also famously known as the black pagoda bulit built by king Narasimhadeva I of Eastern Ganga Dynasty around AD 1250 .

It was only the Moghuls who ruled the most parts of mordern indian leaving aside North east india or Assam. Their effective rule lasted till 1720 AD . That is 170 years of effective Moghul rule.

So the so called muslim rule of india was for 200 years , not 1000 years.
Although its true for region called pakistan , where the Muslim rule still persists.

lol i may be not an expert but i can see yr not either. And im not yr ''buddy''

our combine rule spans in south asia for a 1000 years time and i think i have made it very clear. Those Odisha kings and other in yr south were spare coz they had came in alliance nor did they do any harm to the empire. Our historians have great respect for them. They even helped them defend the empire as well. So certainly they werent our enemy nor r we cruel to forcefully occupy them. The main point was that if someone just with its people they will be allowed to stay and those who arnt wont like Raja Dahil or Prithvi Raja Chauhan.

And correct yr spelling its Ghauri not Ghori and Mughal not Moghul. Also Mughal empire lasted till 1857 not 1720. Bahadur Shah Zafar was the last recognized emperor of Mughal Empire and of our Muslim rule.

 

[Manas]

lol i may be not an expert but i can see yr not either. And im not yr ''buddy''

our combine rule spans in south asia for a 1000 years time and i think i have made it very clear. Those Odisha kings and other in yr south were spare coz they had came in alliance nor did they do any harm to the empire. Our historians have great respect for them. They even helped them defend the empire as well. So certainly they werent our enemy nor r we cruel to forcefully occupy them. The main point was that if someone just with its people they will be allowed to stay and those who arnt wont like Raja Dahil or Prithvi Raja Chauhan.

And correct yr spelling its Ghauri not Ghori and Mughal not Moghul. Also Mughal empire lasted till 1857 not 1720. Bahadur Shah Zafar was the last recognized emperor of Mughal Empire and of our Muslim rule.

Haha man you are crazy .

Listen carefully or then google it coz that may help you next time .

After 1720 AD , Moghul/Mughal empire's size had started drastically reducing to come to be confined five districts around Delhi . It was so weak that that couldn't defend against Persian looter Nadir Shah in 1739 AD who raided Delhi and went back as rich man . Bengal and Hyderabad broke away from the empire.

And by the year 1760 AD hindu Maratha Empire was the biggest state in India . Moghul emperor was just for the name sake only as titular head . This is the map of territory under Maratha control in 1760 (yellow), without its vassals.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/India-1760-map.jpg

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Haha man you are crazy .

Listen carefully or then google it coz that may help you next time .

After 1720 AD , Moghul/Mughal empire's size had started drastically reducing to come to be confined five districts around Delhi . It was so weak that that couldn't defend against Persian looter Nadir Shah in 1739 AD who raided Delhi and went back as rich man . Bengal and Hyderabad broke away from the empire.

And by the year 1760 AD hindu Maratha Empire was the biggest state in India . Moghul emperor was just for the name sake only as titular head . This is the map of territory under Maratha control in 1760 (yellow), without its vassals.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/India-1760-map.jpg

ah u stupid hindu, it doesnt matter if it was started to decline in 1720 or not, Do u even know what yr saying? The capital was still under our control and our empire was still standing till our last emperor bahadur shah zafar.

 

[oFFbEAT]

If you were educated in a madrasah, I wouldn't blame you, but please don't tell me that you learnt those things from
regular Pakistani schools and colleges......we know that Pakistanis distort history to suit their propaganda BUT what
you're saying is plain nonsense........it seems you don't even know the History of Islam let alone the History of Islamic invasions.....

in 8th century the first army came here in Sindh province of Pakistan and beaten the local monarch of Raja Dahir....

The first Islamic Army invaded South Asia in 644CE(not in 8th Century), they were Arabs united under the Rashidun Caliphate(Just after Muhammad's death), they invaded Persia, destroyed the Sassanid Empire and as part of their expansion policy, also invaded S.A, here they defeated Hindu Raja rasil and occupied parts of Sindh(West of river Indus), Rasil retreated to the East of Indus.
That was the first Islamic invasion.

....We just stayed there for just 4 years to reinstalled a just
Government and bring that rule of law again. That's all. The army came under the command of 17 years old Mohammad Bin Qasim, he was send by Emperor of Persia, Siraj ud Dohla after the request of a Sufi Saint i think it was Khawaja Chistie(?) because Dahir was very cruel, an ultra type cruel he was the sindhi version of yr modi!!!......

Firstly, Muhammad bin Quasim was sent during the Ummayad caliphate by Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf(governor of Basra and de- facto Defense Minister of the Caliphate).
There was no Emperor of Persia named 'Siraj ud Dohla' during that time because Persia was under Caliphate and under any Caliphate, there is one supreme leader(the Caliph-in this case, Abd Al-Malik).

The point to note here is that, Hajjaj made two previous attempts to conquer sindh(trade route), but was unsuccessful.
On the third attempt, In 712CE, he made much more elaborate arrangements but the credit goes to Quasim, instead of attacking directly, he tried to utilize the discontent of the local tribes, enmity between Hindu kings ......the local Gurjars, Meds, Thakores and Jats joined him, the majority of the populace were Buddhists who didn't fight, then there were defections from among Dahirs chiefs and nobles.......all these factors led to the Arab win.

The Arabs were no super-martial race, they were able to conquer places which were already weakened by internal strife, like the Persian Sassanid Empire was was on the brink of collapse by civil wars, treachery and continuous wars with the Byzantines when the Arabs attacked them....Indian kings fought against each other and some even joined the invading Arabs to deal with their opponents. Even then, the Arabs were confined within Sindh and along the Indus region....

...Thats why army was send just to defeat and kill him and reestablish the rule of law of a new government of locals who were just. When that happened the Army returned back. Its objectives werent there to stay and go further east and continue their conquest.....

That is the propaganda you were taught but the actual historical fact is....the army of 'Muhammad bin Quasim' did try to invade further East, he sent a cavalry of 10,000 to Kannauj(North India) but was abruptly called back(probably because he needed army for internal conflicts between the Ummayad Caliphate and its opponent 'Ali' and/or with the
Byzantines)

..Im not a very expert in history but i think it was later Mahmood Ghauri(?) who came here for a real conquest.

Forget about being an expert, you don't even have the basic knowledge...otherwise you would've known that the period of 'Muhammad of Ghor' came much later, the Arabs continued their incursion attempts after bin Quasim for about a hundred year but were mostly unsuccessful, Indian kings individually and sometimes by joining forces halted Arab expansion beyond the Indus region. The Ghurids/Ghorid(who were actually Afghans and were originally Hindu/Buddhists) came much later, after about 400 years......

 

[Umair Nawaz]

If you were educated in a madrasah, I wouldn't blame you, but please don't tell me that you learnt those things from
regular Pakistani schools and colleges......we know that Pakistanis distort history to suit their propaganda BUT what
you're saying is plain nonsense........it seems you don't even know the History of Islam let alone the History of Islamic invasions.....


The first Islamic Army invaded South Asia in 644CE(not in 8th Century), they were Arabs united under the Rashidun Caliphate(Just after Muhammad's death), they invaded Persia, destroyed the Sassanid Empire and as part of their expansion policy, also invaded S.A, here they defeated Hindu Raja rasil and occupied parts of Sindh(West of river Indus), Rasil retreated to the East of Indus.
That was the first Islamic invasion.


Firstly, Muhammad bin Quasim was sent during the Ummayad caliphate by Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf(governor of Basra and de- facto Defense Minister of the Caliphate).
There was no Emperor of Persia named 'Siraj ud Dohla' during that time because Persia was under Caliphate and under any Caliphate, there is one supreme leader(the Caliph-in this case, Abd Al-Malik).

The point to note here is that, Hajjaj made two previous attempts to conquer sindh(trade route), but was unsuccessful.
On the third attempt, In 712CE, he made much more elaborate arrangements but the credit goes to Quasim, instead of attacking directly, he tried to utilize the discontent of the local tribes, enmity between Hindu kings ......the local Gurjars, Meds, Thakores and Jats joined him, the majority of the populace were Buddhists who didn't fight, then there were defections from among Dahirs chiefs and nobles.......all these factors led to the Arab win.

The Arabs were no super-martial race, they were able to conquer places which were already weakened by internal strife, like the Persian Sassanid Empire was was on the brink of collapse by civil wars, treachery and continuous wars with the Byzantines when the Arabs attacked them....Indian kings fought against each other and some even joined the invading Arabs to deal with their opponents. Even then, the Arabs were confined within Sindh and along the Indus region....



That is the propaganda you were taught but the actual historical fact is....the army of 'Muhammad bin Quasim' did try to invade further East, he sent a cavalry of 10,000 to Kannauj(North India) but was abruptly called back(probably because he needed army for internal conflicts between the Ummayad Caliphate and its opponent 'Ali' and/or with the
Byzantines)


Forget about being an expert, you don't even have the basic knowledge...otherwise you would've known that the period of 'Muhammad of Ghor' came much later, the Arabs continued their incursion attempts after bin Quasim for about a hundred year but were mostly unsuccessful, Indian kings individually and sometimes by joining forces halted Arab expansion beyond the Indus region. The Ghurids/Ghorid(who were actually Afghans and were originally Hindu/Buddhists) came much later, after about 400 years......

its been discussed already and i did confused somethings. They were corrected.

 

[Omega007]

I thought thread had something to do with India's special forces and not about history lesson!!Stop it already!!

 

[oFFbEAT]

its been discussed already and i did confused somethings. They were corrected.

You don't have proper knowledge in History yet you accuse me of ignoring History....what an irony!