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India's security concerns mask commercial reasons: Chinese telecom firms
English.news.cn 2010-05-06 20:56:51 FeedbackPrintRSS

NEW DELHI, May 6 (Xinhua) -- Chinese telecom companies operating in India told Xinhua there is no justification for that country's security concerns about their equipment and the current de facto restrictions smell more of commercial fears.

During the past five months, purchasing contracts for Chinese telecom equipment from major Indian operators have been turned down by the Indian Department of Telecom (DoT), citing security concerns alleged by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs.

And the purchase of Western companies' equipment in the same contracts had all been cleared.

Even though DoT said there was no ban on Chinese equipment, the rejections suggest a de facto security ban is in place. Chinese telecom majors Huawei and ZTE said they had no new purchase contracts for the first four months of 2010 due to the security check. They never had any formal documents from the Indian government informing them on the issue and only learned about it from Indian telecom operators.

They told Xinhua the so-called "security concerns" were unjustified for at least three reasons:

First, Chinese telecom companies were using the same technical standards as Western telecom companies. Therefore, the fundamental structures of the equipment were the same. Technical checks on Chinese equipment could not have different results to justify DoT's decision.

Second, Chinese telecom equipment had passed technical tests of telecom companies in Britain, Germany and France, where the checks were more strict, and had been serving telecom markets globally. The equipment provided for the Indian market was the same as that provided to Western markets. There was no reason Chinese telecom equipment did not pass checks in India when they had passed in the technically more advanced countries.

Third, Chinese telecom equipment had been used widely in India's wireless networks for the past five years and demonstrated no security problems.

Sources in the telecom industry said India did not currently have a clear guidance for how to proceed with security checks and no technical capability. It would take two years to establish that capability.

Chinese companies also complained the security clearance was a de facto discrimination. They said Indian telecom operators were asked to hand in separately the application for Chinese equipment and the others.

"The so-called security concerns are only excuses," said an industry spokesperson. "The restriction period happens to be the same with the time India auctions its 3G spectrum."

The auction, which has been delayed from February, will end in May this year and will be followed by the first batch of 3G equipment purchases from the operators with 3G licenses. The first purchase will define the market shares for at least the next three years. In a market as large as India's, the competition from major telecom equipment suppliers is fierce.

Without a security clearance, the Chinese companies, which offer 30 percent cheaper equipment and faster service than their Western competitors, will be left out of the 3G purchase. The big Western providers will be the biggest winners.

In addition, middle and small Indian telecom operators and Indian consumers will have to bear higher costs without Chinese telecom equipment. Already there are delays in project launches among Indian operators.

The 10,000 Indian jobs created by investment by Chinese telecom companies will also be at stake. It will further downgrade the image of Indian investment environment.

Huawei and ZTE said they had been fully cooperative with the security checks and had attempted to contact Indian officials over the issue, suggesting an independent security check from a third party. Only the Prime Minister's Office had agreed to meet Huawei this week after meeting requests were sent to seven Indian government departments, including DoT and MHA.
 
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India's security concerns mask commercial reasons: Chinese telecom firms
English.news.cn 2010-05-06 20:56:51 FeedbackPrintRSS

NEW DELHI, May 6 (Xinhua) -- Chinese telecom companies operating in India told Xinhua there is no justification for that country's security concerns about their equipment and the current de facto restrictions smell more of commercial fears.

There are no commercial fears, it is unlikely that anything cheaper than what the Chinese supply can be obtained yet there are definite security concerns.

The telecom reach has reached a level in India where there can be a pause to seek safer alternatives.
 
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There are no commercial reasons. We don't have India brands to replace chinese. We'll have to switch to western, more expensive brands. So its a commercial problem, but way better than a security problem.
 
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I don't think there is any kind of security problem. I sure think this is some kind of conspiracy where the netas and babus must not be receiving much kickbacks from our chinese bro's. So they must have come up with this excuse. Though this is my personal opinion.
 
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I don't think there is any kind of security problem. I sure think this is some kind of conspiracy where the netas and babus must not be receiving much kickbacks from our chinese bro's. So they must have come up with this excuse. Though this is my personal opinion.

There is a huge security prob.

The intel agencies have been at it for years.
 
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Although India doesn't have any competitor to Chinese firms, it nevertheless sees China and by extention its firms as a rival, for nationalistic reasons.
 
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There is a huge security prob.

The intel agencies have been at it for years.

Not really, it's just that other places aren't doing as well as China after stimulus measures. EU just slapped some high duty on Chinese steel products. DoT must've caved in to western pressure or the Chinese would've commercially retaliated already. The CPC tends to play hardball with any country that's not the United States or Russia...
 
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India's security concerns mask commercial reasons: Chinese telecom firms
English.news.cn 2010-05-06 20:56:51 FeedbackPrintRSS
NEW DELHI, May 6 (Xinhua) -- Chinese telecom companies operating in India told Xinhua there is no justification for that country's security concerns about their equipment and the current de facto restrictions smell more of commercial fears.
Unless there is some sort of justification,Chinese manufacturers can have a free run.Its democracy in India,unlike dictatorism in china where every thing is one person controlled.

During the past five months, purchasing contracts for Chinese telecom equipment from major Indian operators have been turned down by the Indian Department of Telecom (DoT), citing security concerns alleged by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs.
Many pulic sector servers were compromised which networks used chinese made equipment.This says all.

And the purchase of Western companies' equipment in the same contracts had all been cleared.
Westerners never hacked Indian servers :devil:

Even though DoT said there was no ban on Chinese equipment, the rejections suggest a de facto security ban is in place. Chinese telecom majors Huawei and ZTE said they had no new purchase contracts for the first four months of 2010 due to the security check. They never had any formal documents from the Indian government informing them on the issue and only learned about it from Indian telecom operators.
Reliability matters the most.Indian telecom industry is on high these day.And the security fears were on high.Why take chance and put your life in the hands of un-reliable suppliers?


Second, Chinese telecom equipment had passed technical tests of telecom companies in Britain, Germany and France, where the checks were more strict, and had been serving telecom markets globally. The equipment provided for the Indian market was the same as that provided to Western markets. There was no reason Chinese telecom equipment did not pass checks in India when they had passed in the technically more advanced countries.
India!= Britan/Germany/France.Every country have their own security concerns and checks and balances.Hey I drive on the right side in US, why are you asking me to drive on left in India?
Chinese concerns just look alike the above.period

Third, Chinese telecom equipment had been used widely in India's wireless networks for the past five years and demonstrated no security problems.
they did caused as many seciruty issues.And hence this new change in policy.So far leftists paved the way for communist manufacturers to ruin the Indian firewalls.Now that communists were kicked away from the ruling gov,some people are feeling the heat.

Sources in the telecom industry said India did not currently have a clear guidance for how to proceed with security checks and no technical capability. It would take two years to establish that capability.
This is a generic reporting trick.when one gets hold of no truth or evidence, they use this common term as sources.

Chinese companies also complained the security clearance was a de facto discrimination. They said Indian telecom operators were asked to hand in separately the application for Chinese equipment and the others.
errrrrrrr........ a strong mis-conception.There is a lot of difference between fear or being submitted and discrimination.Chinese equipment lack many security features.And with the increase in hacking that been pointing an epi-center in china,these concerns are much more valid.Unless you cry foul.

"The so-called security concerns are only excuses," said an industry spokesperson. "The restriction period happens to be the same with the time India auctions its 3G spectrum."
Whatever you treat them as dont change the reality of the situation.

Without a security clearance, the Chinese companies, which offer 30 percent cheaper equipment and faster service than their Western competitors, will be left out of the 3G purchase. The big Western providers will be the biggest winners.
Obviously.One who gets the clearance will be winner.It also calls a reliability check.Are chinese as reliable as west? Certainly not.
there were numbers cases filed against chinese in WTO on anti-dumping grounds and low quality and security issues.

In addition, middle and small Indian telecom operators and Indian consumers will have to bear higher costs without Chinese telecom equipment. Already there are delays in project launches among Indian operators.
Wooooov,how generous China is. :smitten: They are thinking for the first time about the Indian operators......lol Money makes you even eat poooh..... chinese good at that :P

The 10,000 Indian jobs created by investment by Chinese telecom companies will also be at stake. It will further downgrade the image of Indian investment environment.

of the 10,000 indian jobs, 50% for chinese semi-skilled and the 50% for highly skilled Indian cheap labour. Woov... once again china thinking about indian investment environment.
This is life offering keys of a bank locker to a thief.

Huawei and ZTE said they had been fully cooperative with the security checks and had attempted to contact Indian officials over the issue, suggesting an independent security check from a third party. Only the Prime Minister's Office had agreed to meet Huawei this week after meeting requests were sent to seven Indian government departments, including DoT and MHA
their bangalore operations talk more ,how co-operative these companies are.Indians are in no way obligued to offer business to a chinese company who descriminate Indian employees in the Indian city.
Case Closed.Better luck next time.Indian operators can still fare better with western equipment.Atleast our networks will be secured

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Wow I never knew that Indian Market is so important for chinese:lol:

3G market is worth billions of dollars
 
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India's security concerns mask commercial reasons: Chinese telecom firms
English.news.cn 2010-05-06 20:56:51 FeedbackPrintRSS

NEW DELHI, May 6 (Xinhua) -- Chinese telecom companies operating in India told Xinhua there is no justification for that country's security concerns about their equipment and the current de facto restrictions smell more of commercial fears.

During the past five months, purchasing contracts for Chinese telecom equipment from major Indian operators have been turned down by the Indian Department of Telecom (DoT), citing security concerns alleged by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs.

And the purchase of Western companies' equipment in the same contracts had all been cleared.

Even though DoT said there was no ban on Chinese equipment, the rejections suggest a de facto security ban is in place. Chinese telecom majors Huawei and ZTE said they had no new purchase contracts for the first four months of 2010 due to the security check. They never had any formal documents from the Indian government informing them on the issue and only learned about it from Indian telecom operators.

They told Xinhua the so-called "security concerns" were unjustified for at least three reasons:

First, Chinese telecom companies were using the same technical standards as Western telecom companies. Therefore, the fundamental structures of the equipment were the same. Technical checks on Chinese equipment could not have different results to justify DoT's decision.

Second, Chinese telecom equipment had passed technical tests of telecom companies in Britain, Germany and France, where the checks were more strict, and had been serving telecom markets globally. The equipment provided for the Indian market was the same as that provided to Western markets. There was no reason Chinese telecom equipment did not pass checks in India when they had passed in the technically more advanced countries.

Third, Chinese telecom equipment had been used widely in India's wireless networks for the past five years and demonstrated no security problems.

Sources in the telecom industry said India did not currently have a clear guidance for how to proceed with security checks and no technical capability. It would take two years to establish that capability.

Chinese companies also complained the security clearance was a de facto discrimination. They said Indian telecom operators were asked to hand in separately the application for Chinese equipment and the others.

"The so-called security concerns are only excuses," said an industry spokesperson. "The restriction period happens to be the same with the time India auctions its 3G spectrum."

The auction, which has been delayed from February, will end in May this year and will be followed by the first batch of 3G equipment purchases from the operators with 3G licenses. The first purchase will define the market shares for at least the next three years. In a market as large as India's, the competition from major telecom equipment suppliers is fierce.

Without a security clearance, the Chinese companies, which offer 30 percent cheaper equipment and faster service than their Western competitors, will be left out of the 3G purchase. The big Western providers will be the biggest winners.

In addition, middle and small Indian telecom operators and Indian consumers will have to bear higher costs without Chinese telecom equipment. Already there are delays in project launches among Indian operators.

The 10,000 Indian jobs created by investment by Chinese telecom companies will also be at stake. It will further downgrade the image of Indian investment environment.

Huawei and ZTE said they had been fully cooperative with the security checks and had attempted to contact Indian officials over the issue, suggesting an independent security check from a third party. Only the Prime Minister's Office had agreed to meet Huawei this week after meeting requests were sent to seven Indian government departments, including DoT and MHA.

why should the Indian jobs created by these Chinese companies be at stake... most of them are software jobs, and telecom is all about protocols which are universally valid and they are not going to be country specific for the most part... so the jobs can still be there...

If this is from a Chinese media, is this a threat to the Indian government ?
 
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Lol...... lets make this ample clear.
Take it granted or not,China is India`s no.1 enemy :P
Lets back-off from economic construction in a dignified manner.Since China is not abiding by the trade agreements and never opened its markets to Indian products,lets put a comple break on chinese imports.Currently India is exporting raw materials,I can easily find a importer elsewhere.LET India make it clear to China,Unless you open your markets,we will stop importing your products even though they come 90% cheap. :azn:
The most funny part is chinese cry foul about the trade rules while they never follow the same :rofl::rofl:
 
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Lol...... lets make this ample clear.
Take it granted or not,China is India`s no.1 enemy :P
Lets back-off from economic construction in a dignified manner.Since China is not abiding by the trade agreements and never opened its markets to Indian products,lets put a comple break on chinese imports.Currently India is exporting raw materials,I can easily find a importer elsewhere.LET India make it clear to China,Unless you open your markets,we will stop importing your products even though they come 90% cheap. :azn:
The most funny part is chinese cry foul about the trade rules while they never follow the same :rofl::rofl:

china has cheaper products and higher wages. i wonder where i'd prefer to live. india has people that are too poor to live.
 
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