India's Rafale Deal

[Silverblaze]

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That Pathetic bunch of bureaucrats Effectively Running India Which Has Highest GDP Growth in Whole South Asia.While Some failed Economies Still Expecting to Meet there GDP Goals

Pakistans flailing economy does not make india great nor does it alleviate indias problems.

 

[Bossman]

Meanwhile India will be Having 300+ Sukhoi Mki-30 in Its Inventory.While Pakistan is Inducting Light Weight fighters. India Can Afford to Wait.


That Pathetic bunch of bureaucrats Effectively Running India Which Has Highest GDP Growth in Whole South Asia.While Some failed Economies Still Expecting to Meet there GDP Goals

Weight is not the only criteria for success. In fact it is most likely a liability in front of a more agile, low maintenance fighter with high operational availability. It's kinda like Ghauri's Mongolian ponies versus Prithivi Raj's war Elephants. We know who won. Last I heard SU 30 operational availability in IAF was less than 60 percent compared to more than 80 percent for PAF F16s and JF 17s. PAF sortie rate can potentially be double of IAFs

Let's not talk about GDP growth. India is laughing stock of the whole world how it fudged its numbers to shows a higher GDP growth number. You guys include $hit from you cows and goats in your GDP calculation. Cobblers and gutter cleaners are classified as highly skilled workers. I think amount of $hit from public defecation should also be included. It will give India the biggest GDP in the world.

 

[Silverblaze]

Lol now pakistanis will teach about democracy and bureacratic systems.

Dear friend, its india that espouses so called great indian values. This indian arrogance and absolute denial of problems makes india an example not worth following.

 

[NKVD]

Dear friend, its india that espouses so called great indian values. This indian arrogance and absolute denial of problems makes india an example not worth following.

India is highest Growth Rate in whole south Asia Even with those Problems india is One Of worlds Top ten destination For FDI.India have when of the Top ten Military Budgets in World.Have Fourth Largest Standing Armed Forces . A member of BRICS & G20

Child, Rationality Has a Virtue over Emotions.When A country which Has GDP Equals to the Single State of India Mocks over its Progress. Then Its Credential Always Comes to questions

Weight is not the only criteria for success. In fact it is most likely a liability in front of a more agile, low maintenance fighter with high operational availability. It's kinda like Ghauri's Mongolian ponies versus Prithivi Raj's war Elephants. We know who won. Last I heard SU 30 operational availability in IAF was less than 60 percent compared to more than 80 percent for PAF F16s and JF 17s. PAF sortie rate can potentially be double of IAFs

Let's not talk about GDP growth. India is laughing stock of the whole world how it fudged its numbers to shows a higher GDP growth number. You guys include $hit from you cows and goats in your GDP calculation. Cobblers and gutter cleaners are classified as highly skilled workers. I think amount of $hit from public defecation should also be included. It will give India the biggest GDP in the world.

Ahhh Its Hurting where I wanted

 

[Providence]

indian bureaucrats negotiating the deal have no fucking clue about the contract clauses. That's why the deal got fcuked !

 

[abdulbarijan]

India is highest Growth Rate in whole south Asia Even with those Problems india is One Of worlds Top ten destination For FDI.India have when of the Top ten Military Budgets in World.Have Fourth Largest Standing Armed Forces . A member of BRICS & G20

Child, Rationality Has a Virtue over Emotions.When A country which Has GDP Equals to the Single State of India Mocks over its Progress. Then Its Credential Always Comes to questions


Ahhh Its Hurting where I wanted

For someone who talks of rationality, you seem to gloss over the fact, that Pakistan's economic decline was due to the war on terror and the conditions that prevailed as a result that were at their core, completely anti business ... So who would want to invest in a country like that --- however, conditions have changed and Pakistan has already started recovering -- lets not forget the state of Pakistani economy in the Musharraf era ...

and while you can go "ohh we have this many times your defense budget", you forget your defense needs are completely different to those of Pakistan ... Pakistan doesn't have to worry about a potential super power knocking on its door like India has to .. and Pakistan itself is a big enough threat for India ..

With ISIS already making a mark inside Afghanistan, don't forget -- their next target may very well be India -- and can you be sure that the economic roll that India is on right now would sustain in anti business conditions, that terrorism brings in ... add in the revival of the Khalistan movement and you have some major potential problems to face ....

Coming back to the topic, I really found your first post very interesting ...

They Will Take It Or Live It.Americans & Airbus are Eager To sell F-35 & EF to Us.Eventually though India Cuts orders Even for FGFA to Saving For Something Big.

You forget, you have gone down this route before, where you guys held out on your decisions long enough to pressure French in to not making those upgrades that PAF wanted costing them about a billion dollar deal with the PAF -- a cost they gladly accepted as 10.6 billion dollar was already on the table in shape of the MMRCA ...

Now that the deal is facing problems -- there are already gossips about a potential revival of the deal with PAF which many see as a pressure tactic, but what if the MMRCA deal doesn't go through ... what happens then ... so after 10 years and evaluating the top of the line and getting to know the best systems the world has to offer --- everyone just packs up their bags and leaves because India couldn't reach an agreement with a potential seller ---

 

[Chanakyaa]

Ek Kahavt hai.. Begani Shadi me ( India-France Deal ) Abudulla ( Pakistan ) Diwana !!
Expter Bhai Log.. Lage raho...

Reality Cheak : India Just Crossed 220+ Su MKI

 

[Bratva]

Ek Kahavt hai.. Begani Shadi me ( India-France Deal ) Abudulla ( Pakistan ) Diwana !!
Expter Bhai Log.. Lage raho...

Reality Cheak : India Just Crossed 220+ Su MKI

Just Like indians get butt.hurt when pakistan gets F-16, Zulus or any other western weaponry.

 

[aamerjamal]

Ek Kahavt hai.. Begani Shadi me ( India-France Deal ) Abudulla ( Pakistan ) Diwana !!
Expter Bhai Log.. Lage raho...

Reality Cheak : India Just Crossed 220+ Su MKI

Reality Check other then SU MKI what else you have,also we almost have 75+ f16Block 52 or MLUs ? and looking one more 4+ gen fighter? plus Thunder Block III.

if you continue this way after 2018 you might face the toughest time of your history, with quality and quantity...

 

[PWFI]

Indians are all about big mouths, these poor peoples can't afford any world class jet like rafale, it was a lollipop just like many others to brain washed keyboard warriors

 

[Super Falcon]

They Will Take It Or Live It.Americans & Airbus are Eager To sell F-35 & EF to Us.Eventually though India Cuts orders Even for FGFA to Saving For Something Big.

With this attitude no one will sell you even a rafale landing tyre

Most of contanders of MMRCA are happy theu dont have to face embaresment as DASSAULT and frence

 

[Saahil84]

What a pathetic bunch of bureaucrats india has. The largest democracy in the world being run by the most incompetent bureaucratic system and it criticizes others.

True...

 

[war&peace]

Whether they JSF35 or even F22 Raptor as long as Indian pilot is flying, it is a good practice drone. They will term it the flying coffin

 

[Indika]

India is not in a rush to waste money. After announcing "Make in India" most of the companies are afraid that their margins will be exposed. Secondly no company even russians provide complete ToT, they will always make sure they can milk india. Take the aircraft carrier contract or in any other contract with russians , cost keeps escalating upwards.

Most of the pakistani members are jealous that india is not throwing money into a pit. India is raising the pitch to get attention of western countries and keep them engaged. We have enough fighters to save our ***** for now. As our economy grows better will consider making in india than buying. It will not only be cost effective but also generate jobs.

For all the fanboys who compare ourselves with china and pakistan need to consider some points.
1) india vs china war will not happen. Its only economic and competition for influence.
2) pakistan does not have guts to fight full fledged war. Dint we see their air force during kargil war?

Future belongs to country which has strong economy not more fighters.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

reminds me of Chinese water torture. poor French, hehe
the three demands are incompatible to each other I mean asking for price reduction and then in the same breath demanding more features? lol
demanding 50% assembly in India and then demanding French to own the risk as well? double lol.
I said poor French before but in a way they price their products so excessively that I am kind of enjoying the Indian treatment they are getting.

these frenchies r paying the price for abandoning Pakistan for indians.

Let me remind few famous steps & claims involved in Rafale deal.

1: We just selected Rafale as winner of mother of all deals.
2: We will induct one squadron of Rafale from France. Remaining 100+ Rafales will be prepared by India under Make in India project.
3: India demanded more specifications along with TOT, as a result deal cost ballooned to several times of its initial cost!
4: You will see we will Induct Rafales, France cannot lose billion dollar friend like us.
5: India offered Tejas to France as a compensation in price tag...... France rejected the offer in first glance...!
6: Rafale is best. If can beat Raptor. We are demanding more advance systems that's why it is facing high cost issue and delays. But once 126 Rafales come in IAF we will rule the skies of Asia!!
7: Numbers of Rafales reduced to 36.
8: We will buy 36 as initial need. We will induct more Sukhois and later buy more Rafales if necessary.
9: Several squadrons of Mig21,Mig 27 retired. IAF cannibalize!
10: France has no chance in front of Modi.! We will get very first Rafales from France in fly away condition.
11: Egypt began to receive Rafales. After Egypt, UAE requirement came forward..... India still in waiting list.
12: Now Rafale deal in limited numbers is also in trouble as it do not full fill the number requirements and facing further delays....

what! teja for rafael!!!!! when did that happen?