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India's Poverty dips to 29.8% in '09-'10: PlanCom

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The only thing which satisfies indians ego is to compare india with Pakistan no matter how & where u compare... lol

nyways on a serious note thts good tht poverty level in india is getting down the biggest problem for the whole world is to feed millions of hungry indians the biggest problem for humanity & even more severe thn Africa, & instead of increasing defence budget & becoming the biggest arms importer in the world GoI should divert more resources on poors.

you mean whole world is feeding India poors..height of trolling.....If india is spending .3% on defence....what is the problem...India is spending much bigger amount on poverty...and you can see the result.....
 
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Good job, India.

Please try to keep Pakistan out of the discussion.
 
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Decline in poverty: Elders dub it as ploy to deceive poor

Opposition parties today raised the issue of Planning Commission reducing the number of people living below the poverty line dubbing it as a ploy to deceive the poor.

Soon after the Rajya Sabha met for the day, members from BJP, JD-U, BSP, AIADMK and the Left parties were on their feet seeking a discussion on the issue.

Chairman Hamid Ansari said the matter can be raised during the debate on the Union Budget and took up Question Hour. But the members were unrelenting and continued to raise the issue.
S S Ahluwalia (BJP) said the government is creating a new "starvation line" by setting the Rs 29 per day cut-off for income in urban areas and Rs 22 a day cut-off for income in rural areas as the deciding factor for people living below poverty line.

Shivanand Tiwari (JD-U), D Raja (CPI) and Satish Chandra Misra (BSP) voiced opposition to the criteria set by the plan body for deciding on people living below poverty line and termed it as a ploy to deceive the poor.

Planning Commission yesterday released data to show that poverty had significantly declined between 2004-05 and 2009-10 after it lowered the income criteria for defining poor from the previous Rs 32 per day mark.

"It is a serious matter," Ansari said asking members to either raise the issue by putting question to the concerned minister during Question Hour or during debate.

Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Rajiv Shukla said it can be raised during Budget debate beginning tomorrow.

He offered to convey sentiments of the members to the Minister for Planning and Programme Implementation and request him to clarify position.

Ansari then said, "It is a commitment. It is settled." The House then took up the listed questions.

Decline in poverty: Elders dub it as ploy to deceive poor
 
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Poverty data faulty, have not fudged numbers: Panel
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, March 20, 2012

The Planning Commission on Tuesday admitted of a serious flaw in the National Sample Survey data and national accounts, which led to pegging the poverty line at Rs 28 per capita daily consumption in cities.

Plan panel deputy chairperson Montek Singh Ahluwalia said the discrepancy between the consumer survey, on whose basis the poverty number were derived, and national accounts was a serious statistical problem.

The commission on Monday had released poverty figures based on the 66th round of the National Sample Survey (2009-10) data on household consumer expenditure survey. The national accounts, which provide data for national income, is prepared by the Central Statistical Organisation (CSO).

According to new estimate, numbers of poor in India were 29.8% in 2009-10, down from 37.2% in 2004-05. These were based on the daily per capita consumption of Rs 28 in urban cities and R22 in rural areas in 2009-10. The same for June 2011 would be Rs 32.2 for urban areas and R25.3 for rural areas.

“There is not much difference in what we told the Supreme Court last year and the figures released on Monday,” Ahluwalia said, shunning the criticism in section of media that the panel has fudged poverty norms.

He also said the decline in poverty during the UPA government rule was twice than in the previous 11 years. This came in wake of the Opposition accused the panel of fudging with poverty line to show a huge decline. “Can finance minister and Prime Minister survive on Rs 28 a day?” asked BJP's SS Ahluwalia.

If the positive trend continues, the panel was confident of eradicating poverty in the next 20 years. “Anyone can calculate by when poverty will vanish as per the present methodology,” said panel member Saumitra Chaudhari, in-charge of estimating poverty. But, it may not happen as the panel would be revising methodology to including the changing consumption pattern.


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I'm happy with any positive news coming from a neighboring state.

But seriously is GOI kidding? Rs 28 per day for urban dwellers, and Rs 22 per day for rural residents?

That's 0.5$ a day, and 0.4 a day? holy sh1t.

Indian politics sucks.
 
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I'm happy with any positive news coming from a neighboring state.

But seriously is GOI kidding? Rs 28 per day for urban dwellers, and Rs 22 per day for rural residents?

That's 0.5$ a day, and 0.4 a day? holy sh1t.

Indian politics sucks.

र 22/- per day poverty line is based on expenditure not on income.Everyone misses this important fact or is simply too dumb to understand.So it is not holy sh1t.
 
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I'm happy with any positive news coming from a neighboring state.

But seriously is GOI kidding? Rs 28 per day for urban dwellers, and Rs 22 per day for rural residents?

That's 0.5$ a day, and 0.4 a day? holy sh1t.

Indian politics sucks.

It is based on World Bank's data of $1.25(PPP) (for India $1(nominal)= $2.5(PPP) ) which comes out to be some 27-28 rupees and our politicians want our government to provide more facilities to poor which is a good indication.
 
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Has Poverty Really Dropped in India?
Has Poverty Really Dropped in India? - NYTimes.com

Remember when the public was outraged at the idea that the poverty line should be 32 rupees, or 63 cents, a day in urban areas?

We’ve now learned it should really be 29 rupees. And believe it or not, this is no sleight of hand to show a drop in poverty.

The Planning Commission’s latest poverty estimates, released Monday evening, show a 7 percentage-point drop in India’s poor, the largest fall since the figure was first calculated in 1962.

Some critics say the Planning Commission has reduced an already controversially low poverty line even further, using the new thresholds to create the appearance of a large drop in absolute numbers.

The Global Post argued Tuesday that the Planning Commission, “already under fire for setting a poverty line of 32 rupees per day for urban India and 26 rupees for rural India” last year, lowered the bar “a hefty 12 percent to 29 rupees and 22 rupees to fudge the stats.”

The Financial Times said Tuesday that if the government continues along these lines, “India will soon achieve something remarkable in the course of human history: by September of next year, it will be the first country on the planet to be completely free of poor people.”

But are the goalposts actually moving?

Mihir Shah, a member of the Planning Commission, said no. The commission, he said, is using the same methodology it did when it last published poverty estimates in 2009, based on data from a nationwide survey in 2004-5. The poverty lines have been raised significantly, by nearly 50 percent, since then: In urban areas, the poverty line increased from 578.80 rupees, or $11.50, per capita per month to 859.60 rupees; and in rural areas it went from 446.70 rupees to 672.80 rupees.

The misunderstandings arise because in September 2011, the Planning Commission filed an affidavit with the Supreme Court in response to a case filed by activists. The affidavit pegged the provisional poverty line for urban and rural areas at 965 rupees and 781 rupees per capita per month, respectively.

However, the figures filed in the September affidavit were “back of the envelope calculations” and projected a poverty line for June 2011 based on the 2004-5 National Sample Survey data, according to Saumitra Chaudhuri, a member of the Planning Commission. In other words, the 32 rupees a day poverty line was simply a forecast based on old consumption patterns.

The figures released on Monday are based on 2009-10 N.S.S. data, which include actual consumption by households measured by the costs of food, rent and clothing, rather than estimates.

So in fact, only two official poverty lines exist for the period between 2004 and 2010 based on N.S.S. surveys. The 32 rupees a day was an estimate and should be disregarded when evaluating the poverty figures. For the purpose of comparison, the revised poverty line of 29 rupees a day for 2009-10 should be weighed against the line of 19 rupees a day in 2004-5 in urban areas.

Both poverty lines (based on data from 2004-5 and 2009-10) were calculated using the same methodology and were therefore comparable, Mr. Chaudhuri said.

Mr. Shah acknowledged that the poverty lines set by the commission did not constitute “an adequate definition of poverty” since they did not take into account malnutrition, sanitation, drinking water, housing and health. These poverty lines will not be used to determine entitlements under government programs, he said, and their only purpose was to provide a comparison of consumption expenditure levels over time and across states, he added.

Some say the furor over the poverty lines should be focused instead on the distinction between an ethical and an administrative poverty line.

Abhijit Banerjee, director of the Abdul Latif Jameel Poverty Action Lab at M.I.T., argues that “we need two different poverty lines: an ethical poverty line to describe the standard we should aspire to,” which could be 50 rupees or more, “and an administrative poverty line, which tells us how to best target our limited resources.”
 
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Good job by Government. At 1.25$ ppp it is certainly has reduced significantly and if you add the Government's subsidy on food and fuel, free education and health care. This is manageable.
 
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Do you know how India solve the poverty problem ?

They lower the poverty standard from R32 to R29 !!! he he he:lol::lol:

Poverty line at 28.65: Planning Commission faces criticism for figures - The Economic Times

The Planning Commission had yesterday released data to show that poverty had significantly declined between 2004-05 and 2009-10 after it lowered the income criteria for defining poor from the previous Rs 32 per day mark to Rs 29.:nono::nono::nono:



On the other hand China raised the poverty standard to US$1.25 which effectively increased number of poor from 27milion to 100million.:agree::agree::agree:

Poverty-line standard to increase to US$229 a year - The China Post
 
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^^ You forgot that each poor family in India gets 35 kg of rice/wheat per month for free. Add to that free education & healthcare and the Rs 29 that you earn can be used for something else.Does China give free food, healthcare & education.
 
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Poor in India are defined as those living below $1.03, well below the $1.25 level defined by the World Bank.

The 2011 World Bank report shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5%, based on India's current poverty line of $1.03 per person per day, is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam (urban), Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with similar or lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

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Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011
 
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Poor in India are defined as those living below $1.03, well below the $1.25 level defined by the World Bank.

Prove this point. As I know world Bank definition is $1.25(PPP) and since $1(nominal)=$2.5(PPP) for India, $1.25(PPP) comes out to be about 26-32 rupees for India. And it is good that our civil society want more benefits for our people debunking $1.25(PPP). I think $1.25(PPP) come out to be 47-50 Rupees for Pakistan.
 
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Just noticed something....the title says 29.8% in '09-10'
doesn't that mean that the poverty levels are lesser than this today??:woot:
 
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