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India's nuclear record better, but Pakistan also needs NSG: China

They know, once India is in, it would not be cake walk for China and Pakistan on world matters.

If what you said is true (and I believe it is true), and that letting India in the NSG would hurt the national interests of China and Pakistan, then wouldn't it stand to reason, as per geopolitics and national self-interests, that China will never let India into the NSG or the UNSC?
 
Cleaner record as compared to Pakistan..:lol:
there is a reason why china wont vote for india





April 2011 Fire alarms blare in the control room of the Kaiga Generating Station in Karnataka. Comments by officials alternately say there was no fire, that there was only smoke and no fire, and that the fire was not in a sensitive area (2). Details from the AERB are awaited.

November 2009 Fifty-five employees consume radioactive material after tritiated water finds its way into the drinking water cooler in Kaiga Generating Station. The NPCIL attributes the incident to “an insider’s mischief” (3).

April 2003 Six tonnes leak of heavy water at reactor II of the Narora Atomic Power Station (NAPS) in Uttar Pradesh (4), indicating safety measures have not been improved from the leak at the same reactor three years previously.

January 2003 Failure of a valve in the Kalpakkam Atomic Reprocessing Plant in Tamil Nadu results in the release of high-level waste, exposing six workers to high doses of radiation (5). The leaking area of the plant had no radiation monitors or mechanisms to detect valve failure, which may have prevented the employees’ exposure. A safety committee had previously recommended that the plant be shut down. The management blames the “over enthusiasm” of the workers (6).

May 2002 Tritiated water leaks from a downgraded heavy water storage tank at the tank farm of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station (RAPS) 1&2 into a common dyke area. An estimated 22.2 Curies of radioactivity is released into the environment (7).

November 2001 A leak of 1.4 tonnes of heavy water at the NAPS I reactor, resulting in one worker receiving an internal radiation dose of 18.49 mSv (8).

April 2000 Leak of about seven tonnes of heavy water from the moderator system at NAPS Unit II. Various workers involved in the clean-up received ‘significant uptakes of tritium’, although only one had a radiation dose over the recommended annual limit (9).

March 1999 Somewhere between four and fourteen tonnes (10) of heavy water leaks from the pipes at Madras Atomic Power Station (MAPS) at Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu, during a test process. The pipes have a history of cracks and vibration problems (11) . Forty-two people are reportedly involved in mopping up the radioactive liquid (12).

May 1994 The inner surface of the containment dome of Unit I of Kaiga Generating Station collapses (delaminates) while the plant is under construction. Approximately 130 tonnes of concrete fall from a height of nearly thirty metres (13), injuring fourteen workers. The dome had already been completed (14), forming the part of the reactor designed to prevent escape of radioactive material into the environment in the case of an accident. Fortunately, the core had not then been loaded.

February 1994 Helium gas and heavy water leak in Unit 1 of RAPS. The plant is shut down until March 1997 (15).

March 1993 Two blades of the turbine in NAPS Unit I break off, slicing through other blades and indirectly causing a raging fire, which catches onto leaked oil and spreads through the turbine building. The smoke sensors fail to detect the fire, which is only noticed once workers see the flames. It causes a blackout in the plant, including the shutdown of the secondary cooling systems, and power is not restored for seventeen hours. In the meantime, operators have to manually activate the primary shutdown system. They also climb onto the roof to open valves to slow the reactions in the core by hand (16). The incident was rated as a Level 3 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, INES.

May 1992 Tube leak causes a radioactive release of 12 Curies of radioactivity from Tarapur Atomic Power Station (17).

January 1992 Four tons of heavy water spilt at RAPS (17).

December 1991 A leak from pipelines in the vicinity of CIRUS and Dhruva research reactors at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Trombay, Maharashtra, results in severe Cs-137 soil contamination of thousands of times the acceptable limit. Local vegetation was also found to be contaminated, though contract workers digging to the leaking pipeline were reportedly not tested for radiation exposure, despite the evidence of their high dose (18).

July 1991 A contracted labourer mistakenly paints the walls of RAPS with heavy water before applying a coat of whitewash. He also washed his paintbrush, face and hands in the deuterated and tritiated water, and has not been traced since (19).

March 1991 Heavy water leak at MAPS takes four days to clean up (20).

all this compare to

The KANUPP Karachi nuclear power plant imposed a seven-hour emergency after heavy water leaked from a feeder pipe to the reactor. The leakage took place during a routine maintenance shut down, and the emergency was lifted seven hours later, after the affected area was isolated.
You forgot recent 2016 leak of heavy water in Kakrapar atomic plant, India--1 plant shut down.
 
If what you said is true (and I believe it is true), and that letting India in the NSG would hurt the national interests of China and Pakistan, then wouldn't it stand to reason, as per geopolitics and national self-interests, that China will never let India into the NSG or the UNSC?

Of course. Until unless it gets something in return. And that return doesnt mean anything for Pakistan. It will be for Chinese National Interest.
You do know what these statement means right from Chinese foreign office? That Pakistan will be let to itself to convince other members of NSG whose support it is not going to get..
 
there is a reason why china wont vote for india





April 2011 Fire alarms blare in the control room of the Kaiga Generating Station in Karnataka. Comments by officials alternately say there was no fire, that there was only smoke and no fire, and that the fire was not in a sensitive area (2). Details from the AERB are awaited.

November 2009 Fifty-five employees consume radioactive material after tritiated water finds its way into the drinking water cooler in Kaiga Generating Station. The NPCIL attributes the incident to “an insider’s mischief” (3).

April 2003 Six tonnes leak of heavy water at reactor II of the Narora Atomic Power Station (NAPS) in Uttar Pradesh (4), indicating safety measures have not been improved from the leak at the same reactor three years previously.

January 2003 Failure of a valve in the Kalpakkam Atomic Reprocessing Plant in Tamil Nadu results in the release of high-level waste, exposing six workers to high doses of radiation (5). The leaking area of the plant had no radiation monitors or mechanisms to detect valve failure, which may have prevented the employees’ exposure. A safety committee had previously recommended that the plant be shut down. The management blames the “over enthusiasm” of the workers (6).

May 2002 Tritiated water leaks from a downgraded heavy water storage tank at the tank farm of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station (RAPS) 1&2 into a common dyke area. An estimated 22.2 Curies of radioactivity is released into the environment (7).

November 2001 A leak of 1.4 tonnes of heavy water at the NAPS I reactor, resulting in one worker receiving an internal radiation dose of 18.49 mSv (8).

April 2000 Leak of about seven tonnes of heavy water from the moderator system at NAPS Unit II. Various workers involved in the clean-up received ‘significant uptakes of tritium’, although only one had a radiation dose over the recommended annual limit (9).

March 1999 Somewhere between four and fourteen tonnes (10) of heavy water leaks from the pipes at Madras Atomic Power Station (MAPS) at Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu, during a test process. The pipes have a history of cracks and vibration problems (11) . Forty-two people are reportedly involved in mopping up the radioactive liquid (12).

May 1994 The inner surface of the containment dome of Unit I of Kaiga Generating Station collapses (delaminates) while the plant is under construction. Approximately 130 tonnes of concrete fall from a height of nearly thirty metres (13), injuring fourteen workers. The dome had already been completed (14), forming the part of the reactor designed to prevent escape of radioactive material into the environment in the case of an accident. Fortunately, the core had not then been loaded.

February 1994 Helium gas and heavy water leak in Unit 1 of RAPS. The plant is shut down until March 1997 (15).

March 1993 Two blades of the turbine in NAPS Unit I break off, slicing through other blades and indirectly causing a raging fire, which catches onto leaked oil and spreads through the turbine building. The smoke sensors fail to detect the fire, which is only noticed once workers see the flames. It causes a blackout in the plant, including the shutdown of the secondary cooling systems, and power is not restored for seventeen hours. In the meantime, operators have to manually activate the primary shutdown system. They also climb onto the roof to open valves to slow the reactions in the core by hand (16). The incident was rated as a Level 3 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, INES.

May 1992 Tube leak causes a radioactive release of 12 Curies of radioactivity from Tarapur Atomic Power Station (17).

January 1992 Four tons of heavy water spilt at RAPS (17).

December 1991 A leak from pipelines in the vicinity of CIRUS and Dhruva research reactors at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Trombay, Maharashtra, results in severe Cs-137 soil contamination of thousands of times the acceptable limit. Local vegetation was also found to be contaminated, though contract workers digging to the leaking pipeline were reportedly not tested for radiation exposure, despite the evidence of their high dose (18).

July 1991 A contracted labourer mistakenly paints the walls of RAPS with heavy water before applying a coat of whitewash. He also washed his paintbrush, face and hands in the deuterated and tritiated water, and has not been traced since (19).

March 1991 Heavy water leak at MAPS takes four days to clean up (20).

all this compare to

The KANUPP Karachi nuclear power plant imposed a seven-hour emergency after heavy water leaked from a feeder pipe to the reactor. The leakage took place during a routine maintenance shut down, and the emergency was lifted seven hours later, after the affected area was isolated.


So operational issues are more sever than the thoughtful intentional black marketing of nuclear weapons...Hats off!!

If what you said is true (and I believe it is true), and that letting India in the NSG would hurt the national interests of China and Pakistan, then wouldn't it stand to reason, as per geopolitics and national self-interests, that China will never let India into the NSG or the UNSC?
India knows that, and awaiting for the right time. But if you want to live in an hostile environment always then you can create as many enemies you want on behalf of others.
 
Next steps:

1. Get China to say India has a much cleaner record than Pakistan (and ignore rest of whatever they say in their attempt to do equal-equal regarding full NSG membership). Its good to get official Chinese acknowledgement of Pakistan's proliferation (even if they continue to deny their own role in such).

2. Continue benefiting from the NSG waiver to show its not equal-equal in reality. Remain firm that Pakistan will never be admitted into NSG or given a waiver even if it means keeping current status quo (waiver for unlimited import of fuel and technology) while step 3 goes on. Keep this market firmly closed to China as long as India is not a member of the NSG.

3. Accelerate 3 step nuclear energy program of India....to create higher buffer margins required locally for India's strategic security needs while pursuing its energy requirements in parallel.
 
Super comedy !

If china thinks India and Pakistan needs nsg then it should vote for both nations. Rather than doing pathetic diplomacy and giving irrational reasons for their veto against India.
Hahahaha..
You don't seems to be dumb..
In first Some countries are opposing Pakistan and some are opposing India..
So if both agreed then there is no problem.. It is simple to understand isn't it?

Next steps:

1. Get China to say India has a much cleaner record than Pakistan (and ignore rest of whatever they say in their attempt to do equal-equal regarding full NSG membership). Its good to get official Chinese acknowledgement of Pakistan's proliferation (even if they continue to deny their own role in such).

2. Continue benefiting from the NSG waiver to show its not equal-equal in reality. Remain firm that Pakistan will never be admitted into NSG or given a waiver even if it means keeping current status quo (waiver for unlimited import of fuel and technology) while step 3 goes on. Keep this market firmly closed to China as long as India is not a member of the NSG.

3. Accelerate 3 step nuclear energy program of India....to create higher buffer margins required locally for India's strategic security needs while pursuing its energy requirements in parallel.
What a new steps... offo I am too amazed.. might be Modi govt will offer you PM post..
 
Super comedy !

If china thinks India and Pakistan needs nsg then it should vote for both nations. Rather than doing pathetic diplomacy and giving irrational reasons for their veto against India.
china follows laws. NPT
 
It seems China lost the track here, they are equating two unequals.
 
China is maligning pakistan publicly now.Even though its own hands are dirty in nuclear proliferation to NK.
Its pakistans turn now to expose china.
 
Indian nuclear safety record is pathetic.

So much so that the used radio active material often lands at scrap sellers.

This country's nuclear sites need serious safety upgrades so that dangerous nuclear material does not fall to countless insurgents who are fighting in more than 20 states against Indian rule.

World must really take this issue seriously! :agree:
 
Indian nuclear safety record is pathetic.

So much so that the used radio active material often lands at scrap sellers.

This country's nuclear sites need serious safety upgrades so that dangerous nuclear material does not fall to countless insurgents who are fighting in more than 20 states against Indian rule.

World must really take this issue seriously! :agree:
Most of those groups are obliterated or almost in the verge of extinction..
Go through the world fatality reports,despite of being 6 time larger India has one of the lowest civilian & military fatalities in this region..It proves where separatist groups & religion fanatics are more active..
Every day or two many outsider countries show the concern of some non state actors from Pakistan will get hands on your weapons..
Get off of your delusion fantasy theories..Pakistan is way vulnerable to terrorism & Islamic extremism.Your schools aren't even safe.Our people don't bear such thought process..World runs other way..
 
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Cleaner record as compared to Pakistan..:lol:

You forgot recent 2016 leak of heavy water in Kakrapar atomic plant, India--1 plant shut down.

Do you even know what's the meaning of Cleaner Record???
it mea Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons or tech to other country.. unfortunatly ur country won a golden
reward for its work on proliferation at UN...

nuclear accident happens to every country that posses,,, be it US,RUssia china or japan.. you fix it and find a way to improve the tech and carry on.
 
What is China's record in comparison to India and Pakistan?
 

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