New Vision
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 271
- Reaction score
- 0
wow you call the media guys moron !!!!! wonder what your intellectual level is. Read between the lines,
India's nuclear power a 'myth'-Telegraph
- Thread starter DaRk WaVe
- Start date
wow you call the media guys moron !!!!! wonder what your intellectual level is. Read between the lines,
New Vision
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 271
- Reaction score
- 0
Why are all these "revelations" coming out 11 years after the nuclear tests? And that too at time when the US is increasing pressure on India to sign CTBT?
Pretty obvious. India is purposely releasing these reports so as to justify another test.
And the Buddha smiles again...
uh ! huh ! next time if it happens Buddah is going to have a hearty laugh
New Vision
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 271
- Reaction score
- 0
I think you guys are hitting out more at Emo Girl rather than refuting her. She is trying.
New Vision
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 271
- Reaction score
- 0
Emo Girl, since you started the topic, it would be good to discect the information, why now, why after 11 years has this controversy cropped up. There has to be more to it. It could be a pretext to test again, and the Chinese icusrsions also highlighted at the same time, like I said before read between the lines, and since you started the thread it is your responsibility to guide it in the right direction
Jesus Christ
BANNED
New Recruit
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2009
- Messages
- 23
- Reaction score
- 0
RAW, ur point is that this statement cameout so that india has an excuse to conduct the nuke test?
R.A.W.
BANNED
- Joined
- Sep 13, 2009
- Messages
- 1,092
- Reaction score
- 0
This speculation can have high priority as otherwise nuclear guys cannot give statements to media just like that who are under in depth security watch
BATMAN
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2007
- Messages
- 29,895
- Reaction score
- -28
- Country
- Location
More scientists back Santhanam on Pokhran II
NEW DELHI: If the views of certain experts are any indication, disquiet is simmering within the country’s top nuclear scientists as there is an apparent bid to “hush up facts” following the sensational disclosure by fellow professional K Santhanam that the thermonuclear weapon tested in Pokhran 2 was a failure.
A Gopalakrishnan, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, told Express that BARC ex-director R Chidambaram, who is now Principal Scientific Adv iser to the Government of India, was “obviously indulging in a total misrepresentation of facts” in 1998 when he “encouraged” the then NDA government to tell the country that the blasts in the Rajasthan desert were a success.
“He might have several compulsions that made him say this when he knew the true facts. He must have been motivated partly by personal glory,” claimed Gopalakrishnan.
Chidambaram went on to receive the Padma Vibhushan after the May 11 tests.
“All this shows the DAE has been misleading the public and lying on issues. Not only in this instance, but in matters of nuclear safety and independence of safety regulations,” the 72-year-old expert maintained, adding “there are many other instances where an organisation like the AERB has been under pressure from both the PMO and the DAE to distort safety-related investigations.” He said A P J Abdul Kalam, oper ational in-charge of the blasts who later became the country’s president, possessed “very little knowledge” of nuclear weapons or the designs and physics behind them. “Also, he had only a peripheral role in the tests. But the public has since been led to believe Kalam is an expert.” The basic question in any scientist’s mind, Gopalakrishnan says, was “how one can extrapolate or modify a weapon design from the data on one single test — even if it were successful, which in this case was not”. He endorsed the setting up of a peer review for determining the efficacy of the Pokhran 2 thermonuclear device, which Dr Santhanam, a senior DRDO scientist, said failed to perform.
Dr Gopalakrishnan called for a technological committee comprising of international experts to review the “methodology used by Chidambaram and his colleagues to establish their claims”. Dr Chidambaram and S K Sikka — both weapon designers for the thermonuclear device — should “present their methodology to a technical committee involving international experts too. After that you should have a national peer review”.Another former BARC scientist, with intimate knowledge of weapons designing, expressed the doubt whether anybody in BARC had a fullscale understanding of a thermonuclear device.
“The service chiefs should put their foot down and not accept the thermonuclear weapon even if it has been weaponised,” he noted, pointing out that repeated tests for assurance was normal in any scientific endeavour.
BARC ex-head P K Iyengar, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Board, had argued in an Express article on September 2 that there was need to conduct further tests. Dr Santhanam’s disclosure showed that there was no big explosion of the kind the government claimed, he added.
Another former BARC scientist declared that everybody involved in Pokhran 2 “ought to be cross-examined under oath by a retired Supreme Court judge to get to the bottom of the matter”.
Earlier, Dr Santhanam had pointed out that shaft in which the device was detonated in Pokhran remained undisturbed and “totally intact” after the explosion. And the A Frame, which had a winch to lower personnel and equipment into the shaft for the experiment also escaped the allegedly 45 kilotonne explosion completely unscathed.
Whereas in the case of the smaller fission device, which was tested the same day, the shaft was destroyed and the explosion left a crater 25 metres in diameter. Santhanam argues that if the TN weapon functioned, the crater would have been about 70 meters in diameter.
NEW DELHI: If the views of certain experts are any indication, disquiet is simmering within the country’s top nuclear scientists as there is an apparent bid to “hush up facts” following the sensational disclosure by fellow professional K Santhanam that the thermonuclear weapon tested in Pokhran 2 was a failure.
A Gopalakrishnan, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, told Express that BARC ex-director R Chidambaram, who is now Principal Scientific Adv iser to the Government of India, was “obviously indulging in a total misrepresentation of facts” in 1998 when he “encouraged” the then NDA government to tell the country that the blasts in the Rajasthan desert were a success.
“He might have several compulsions that made him say this when he knew the true facts. He must have been motivated partly by personal glory,” claimed Gopalakrishnan.
Chidambaram went on to receive the Padma Vibhushan after the May 11 tests.
“All this shows the DAE has been misleading the public and lying on issues. Not only in this instance, but in matters of nuclear safety and independence of safety regulations,” the 72-year-old expert maintained, adding “there are many other instances where an organisation like the AERB has been under pressure from both the PMO and the DAE to distort safety-related investigations.” He said A P J Abdul Kalam, oper ational in-charge of the blasts who later became the country’s president, possessed “very little knowledge” of nuclear weapons or the designs and physics behind them. “Also, he had only a peripheral role in the tests. But the public has since been led to believe Kalam is an expert.” The basic question in any scientist’s mind, Gopalakrishnan says, was “how one can extrapolate or modify a weapon design from the data on one single test — even if it were successful, which in this case was not”. He endorsed the setting up of a peer review for determining the efficacy of the Pokhran 2 thermonuclear device, which Dr Santhanam, a senior DRDO scientist, said failed to perform.
Dr Gopalakrishnan called for a technological committee comprising of international experts to review the “methodology used by Chidambaram and his colleagues to establish their claims”. Dr Chidambaram and S K Sikka — both weapon designers for the thermonuclear device — should “present their methodology to a technical committee involving international experts too. After that you should have a national peer review”.Another former BARC scientist, with intimate knowledge of weapons designing, expressed the doubt whether anybody in BARC had a fullscale understanding of a thermonuclear device.
“The service chiefs should put their foot down and not accept the thermonuclear weapon even if it has been weaponised,” he noted, pointing out that repeated tests for assurance was normal in any scientific endeavour.
BARC ex-head P K Iyengar, a former chairman of the Atomic Energy Board, had argued in an Express article on September 2 that there was need to conduct further tests. Dr Santhanam’s disclosure showed that there was no big explosion of the kind the government claimed, he added.
Another former BARC scientist declared that everybody involved in Pokhran 2 “ought to be cross-examined under oath by a retired Supreme Court judge to get to the bottom of the matter”.
Earlier, Dr Santhanam had pointed out that shaft in which the device was detonated in Pokhran remained undisturbed and “totally intact” after the explosion. And the A Frame, which had a winch to lower personnel and equipment into the shaft for the experiment also escaped the allegedly 45 kilotonne explosion completely unscathed.
Whereas in the case of the smaller fission device, which was tested the same day, the shaft was destroyed and the explosion left a crater 25 metres in diameter. Santhanam argues that if the TN weapon functioned, the crater would have been about 70 meters in diameter.
AgNoStiC MuSliM
ADVISORS
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2007
- Messages
- 25,259
- Reaction score
- 87
- Country
- Location
Wow, a 4 page thread down to 2 pages after I was done deleting all the tripe and trolling.
Stick to the topic - I'll probably be merging this thread with the other one on the Nuclear tests.
The headline of the article was in fact easily refuted in a single sentence, which one gentleman did point out - the reported failure was over the thermonuclear test, not the regular nukes, and so long as the latter worked India is technically a 'nuclear power'.
There will be bans handed out next time if posters continue to display this sort of nonsensical attitude on threads - refute it, debunk it, agree with it (without the sarcastic tripe thrown in), or don't comment.
Stick to the topic - I'll probably be merging this thread with the other one on the Nuclear tests.
The headline of the article was in fact easily refuted in a single sentence, which one gentleman did point out - the reported failure was over the thermonuclear test, not the regular nukes, and so long as the latter worked India is technically a 'nuclear power'.
There will be bans handed out next time if posters continue to display this sort of nonsensical attitude on threads - refute it, debunk it, agree with it (without the sarcastic tripe thrown in), or don't comment.
Jesus Christ
BANNED
New Recruit
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2009
- Messages
- 23
- Reaction score
- 0
Here it is. Just as we expected.
Naked India needs series of tests to deal with China: Santhanam
Naked India needs series of tests to deal with China: Santhanam
BATMAN
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2007
- Messages
- 29,895
- Reaction score
- -28
- Country
- Location
^^ it does not make any sense!
in the absence of documentry proof this was speculated all along the time.
now if inidan govt. does not come out to rebut it with evidence than... any further tests and their success will be attributed to unofficial proliferation from US.
Look at loud documentry evidence of one test. No one can ever refute it.
in the absence of documentry proof this was speculated all along the time.
now if inidan govt. does not come out to rebut it with evidence than... any further tests and their success will be attributed to unofficial proliferation from US.
Look at loud documentry evidence of one test. No one can ever refute it.
savVY
FULL MEMBER
New Recruit
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2011
- Messages
- 54
- Reaction score
- 0
As I said in my another thread.
We do not have nuclear weapons.
We do not have missiles.
We have chinese incursions.
Pakistan's nuclear tipped missiles are pointed at us.
We are so weak.
We dont have anything.
We are so poor.
We have 2 most powerful nations by our side.
Can we do the nuclear test now?
Will you please open your reserve of weapons for poor us?
Will you please give us loan for the development of poor people?
very nice one ask them to allow us in your way hahah
aakash_2410
BANNED
- Joined
- Sep 10, 2010
- Messages
- 2,249
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
Haha then try us? 
Well if India's nuclear power is a myth then India should role with it and ask the bans that they put on us to be lifted and ask for better nuclear technology and weapons since we don't have nuclear weapons and don't plan to test any.
Similar threads
