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Im sorry but this article has no substance, while its true indians have jumped up the nuclear aggression but in the end its all chest thumping by bhakts
Nope, that's not all chest thumping, they have budget, technology, motivation (however evil) and support of certain countries so they are doing it right now.
We need to be realistic and focus on countering this through ramping up our own production and also developing countermeasures.

Nice joke. :partay:
Nope, for deep state, a country needs huge budget, huge population and a large area and we lack all three so we don't have any deep state.
 
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Pakistan does not even have a deep state so there is no possibility of the propaganda.

Au contraire, what you could say is that the Pakistani deep state is so visible and obvious that one cannot possibly call it a deep state. A security establishment that dictates foreign policy and decides who the eternal enemy is. But since we all know the security establishment in question so it is not really that hidden.
 
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Nope, that's not all chest thumping, they have budget, technology, motivation (however evil) and support of certain countries so they are doing it right now.
We need to be realistic and focus on countering this through ramping up our own production and also developing countermeasures.

I do acknowledge the indian nuclear aggression but this first use policy is chest thumping by bhakts
 
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Au contraire, what you could say is that the Pakistani deep state is so visible and obvious that one cannot possibly call it a deep state. A security establishment that dictates foreign policy and decides who the eternal enemy is. But since we all know the security establishment in question so it is not really that hidden.
Please see my post above to clear things up before weekend.
By they way, it is the people of Pakistan who know and decide who is our enemy and assign the duty of army to defend the nation. Pakistan was created through a democratic struggle and people laid their lives so we cannot forget their sacrifices and things have grown worse over time so none needs to tell us who is our enemy. Our enemy is against CPEC, diverting our waters, killing our people in IoJ&K, and preparing for war so I think we also read newspapers and watch TV channels.. I haven't seen ISPRs brief to the nation on this issue.
 
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Security of stockpiles is secured enough for both states, the question low lies in how far will India go in its inhumane bloodlust for Pakistan

To answer the question - A lot further than what its enemy does.


As for the First Use, it's now India's problem....

It always was India's problem. Its only here that arm chair defence analysts keep propagating theories including the OP.



We are not sleeping to allow our enemy to strike us first.

No nation sleeps with enemies next door.
 
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Im sorry but this article has no substance, while its true indians have jumped up the nuclear aggression but in the end its all chest thumping by bhakts
Well first use policy is their admission of insecurity vis-a-vis a much smaller country both in terms of area and population. But if they strike us first, we will strike them back within minutes and Delhi is not so far from the border.
 
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Well first use policy is their admission of insecurity vis-a-vis a much smaller country both in terms of area and population. But if they strike us first, we will strike them back within minutes and Delhi is not so far from the border.

I dont think indians really want a war with us, its just some low life keyboard warriors who are chest thumping when their netaji spews hate against pakistan but real people are interested in moving ahead with life.
 
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I dont think indians really want a war with us, its just some low life keyboard warriors who are chest thumping when their netaji spews hate against pakistan but real people are interested in moving ahead with life.

It does not matter what people want, it is the govt that decides and whenever they want, they build up hype and hysteria... they have good practice on this. Right now india is being controlled by a fascist regime and it can do anything so lets not be under any illusions.
 
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this is ironic , considering Pakistan ranks below India in 2016 nuclear security index, like previous years.


http://www.nti.org/media/pdfs/NTI_2016_Index_FINAL.pdf

THEFT RANKING

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Lol. No body can assess our nuclear security cos we dont allow access or give informations on how we protect our nuclear installations. We are not changing NFU policy for Goddamn's sake. Its just we might respond in Nuclear in case of Chemical and Biological weapons which India had destroyed as part of UN goals.
Yes pakistans nuclear wallmart was a lie too. And their ranking is infinitely more reliable than a propaganda article by some unknown pakistani establishment writer.
well the world is saying a different thing
https://www.publicintegrity.org/201...are-vulnerable-theft-us-officials-and-experts

and before sending any data please read by yourself
let me explain:
nti uses its security measures to define how a county perform in security of a countries nuclear arsenal which includes the economic performance(if economy fails nuke can goes into hands of terrorists) of a country,its cyber space (system can be hack and location of nuke can be leak),political stability, insurgencies ,advancement in technology,inner surveillance of nuclear site,thread to a country. these are the measures it uses in ranking

but as far as world know how many accident happens in india and smuggling
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ling-racket-busted-rajasthan-ats-arrests-six/
April 2011 Fire alarms blare in the control room of the Kaiga Generating Station in Karnataka. Comments by officials alternately say there was no fire, that there was only smoke and no fire, and that the fire was not in a sensitive area (2). Details from the AERB are awaited.

November 2009 Fifty-five employees consume radioactive material after tritiated water finds its way into the drinking water cooler in Kaiga Generating Station. The NPCIL attributes the incident to “an insider’s mischief” (3).

April 2003 Six tonnes leak of heavy water at reactor II of the Narora Atomic Power Station (NAPS) in Uttar Pradesh (4), indicating safety measures have not been improved from the leak at the same reactor three years previously.

January 2003 Failure of a valve in the Kalpakkam Atomic Reprocessing Plant in Tamil Nadu results in the release of high-level waste, exposing six workers to high doses of radiation (5). The leaking area of the plant had no radiation monitors or mechanisms to detect valve failure, which may have prevented the employees’ exposure. A safety committee had previously recommended that the plant be shut down. The management blames the “over enthusiasm” of the workers (6).

May 2002 Tritiated water leaks from a downgraded heavy water storage tank at the tank farm of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station (RAPS) 1&2 into a common dyke area. An estimated 22.2 Curies of radioactivity is released into the environment (7).

November 2001 A leak of 1.4 tonnes of heavy water at the NAPS I reactor, resulting in one worker receiving an internal radiation dose of 18.49 mSv (8).

April 2000 Leak of about seven tonnes of heavy water from the moderator system at NAPS Unit II. Various workers involved in the clean-up received ‘significant uptakes of tritium’, although only one had a radiation dose over the recommended annual limit (9).

March 1999 Somewhere between four and fourteen tonnes (10) of heavy water leaks from the pipes at Madras Atomic Power Station (MAPS) at Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu, during a test process. The pipes have a history of cracks and vibration problems (11) . Forty-two people are reportedly involved in mopping up the radioactive liquid (12).

May 1994 The inner surface of the containment dome of Unit I of Kaiga Generating Station collapses (delaminates) while the plant is under construction. Approximately 130 tonnes of concrete fall from a height of nearly thirty metres (13), injuring fourteen workers. The dome had already been completed (14), forming the part of the reactor designed to prevent escape of radioactive material into the environment in the case of an accident. Fortunately, the core had not then been loaded.

February 1994 Helium gas and heavy water leak in Unit 1 of RAPS. The plant is shut down until March 1997 (15).

March 1993 Two blades of the turbine in NAPS Unit I break off, slicing through other blades and indirectly causing a raging fire, which catches onto leaked oil and spreads through the turbine building. The smoke sensors fail to detect the fire, which is only noticed once workers see the flames. It causes a blackout in the plant, including the shutdown of the secondary cooling systems, and power is not restored for seventeen hours. In the meantime, operators have to manually activate the primary shutdown system. They also climb onto the roof to open valves to slow the reactions in the core by hand (16). The incident was rated as a Level 3 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, INES.

May 1992 Tube leak causes a radioactive release of 12 Curies of radioactivity from Tarapur Atomic Power Station (17).

January 1992 Four tons of heavy water spilt at RAPS (17).

December 1991 A leak from pipelines in the vicinity of CIRUS and Dhruva research reactors at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Trombay, Maharashtra, results in severe Cs-137 soil contamination of thousands of times the acceptable limit. Local vegetation was also found to be contaminated, though contract workers digging to the leaking pipeline were reportedly not tested for radiation exposure, despite the evidence of their high dose (18).

July 1991 A contracted labourer mistakenly paints the walls of RAPS with heavy water before applying a coat of whitewash. He also washed his paintbrush, face and hands in the deuterated and tritiated water, and has not been traced since (19).

March 1991 Heavy water leak at MAPS takes four days to clean up (20).

against pakistan's

18 October 2011 Karachi, Pakistan The KANUPP Karachi nuclear power plant imposed a seven-hour emergency after heavy water leaked from a feeder pipe to the reactor. The leakage took place during a routine maintenance shut down, and the emergency was lifted seven hours later, after the affected area was isolated.[36]

CIA have spent billions of dollar to find how pakistan transports its nuke and where it stores it but failed miserably
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ocation-of-all-Pakistans-nuclear-weapons.html
IAEA reports
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/new...ce-contributes-to-sustaining-nuclear-security
http://www.nss2016.org/document-center-docs/2016/4/1/national-statement-pakistan
its an western propaganda but its good enough

and i will leave this one right here(check it if you are curious)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-index-ipsos-mori-poll-survey-a7481196.html

Vague?

Police arresting people for petty theft.

Vs

State pardoning ALL perps (itself) of nuclear wall mart run with military transport aircraft delivery service.

Vague only to the guily party who think state run propaganda can whitewash everything.

Au contraire, what you could say is that the Pakistani deep state is so visible and obvious that one cannot possibly call it a deep state. A security establishment that dictates foreign policy and decides who the eternal enemy is. But since we all know the security establishment in question so it is not really that hidden.

Nice joke. :partay:
 
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India’s military modernization is mainly aimed at targeting Pakistan. But deviation from NFU despite huge conventional superiority vis a vis Pakistan is alarming for regional stability.
As per NTI (see below citations), Pakistani firepower of total nuclear stockpile is 2.1 megatons, is more than twice of that of India. If Pakistan maintains effective second strike capability, say sea-based medium-range SLCM with warheads at yield range 15-50 kt, it's a powerful deterrent. Even for pure destruction purpose, willing to take retaliatory losses, assuming full firepower can be delivered on Pakistan, India still cannot decisively neutralize Pakistani conventional forces. First use is not a sound doctrine.

Russia 607~1,273 megatons
US 570 megatons
China 294 megatons
France 34.2~43.8 megatons
UK 16 megatons
Israel 1.6~12 megatons
Pakistan 2.1 megatons
India 1 megaton
North Korea 0.05 megaton

Sources:
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/russia-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/united-states-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/china-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/france-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/united-kingdom-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/israel-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/pakistan-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/india-nuclear-disarmament/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/north-korea-nuclear-disarmament/
 
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Damnnnnnn. I laughed out loud literally. Good one man


Sorry mod, have to disagree with you on that. What inhumane bloodlust are you talking about?
Pakistani deep state intensifies Information war against India especially on PDF. :whistle:
It is really sad getting lectures in nuclear madness from a country whose defence minister reacts to a fake news story by threatening Israel with nukes.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761146

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp..../israel-pakistan-fake-news-nuclear/index.html



Also, I think that these extremists feel emboldened by the fact that their kin in other lands are all currently singing the same tune. From Turkey and Europe to the US, it seems a wave of collective madness is sweeping through with only pockets of sanity left.

Those in South Asia look at Donald Trump and find sustenance. Turkish extremists draw vindication from Geert Wilders and Le Pen, Sanghis from Lashkaris and Jamaatis, and so on. It seems there is no dearth of regressive values going around for everyone to gorge at the buffet.
What I get out of this urbane, sophisticated analysis is that as long as his military keeps their moustaches in good trim, there is nothing to worry about. One of their soldiers is still worth ten of the cowards and sly backstabbers. And the final rhetorical flourish makes it clear that 'Aall is well'.

Good. No need to take the rest of the thread seriously then.



Both sets of extremists have the same mindset. Both make themselves victims threatened with extinction, a minority although greater in menacing attributes, whether population, economic power and unlimited military spending at the expense of health care, education or food, clothing and shelter on one side or a practised and sophisticated state-run policy of murderous terrorism on the other. Both will take the first opportunity to scream to the world that they are being done in, in broad daylight, and that therefore their own vicious conduct is justified.

Both deserve to come to a sticky end.
Lol so basically don't believe the only respectable international source and belive a 10cent Pakistani bloggers propaganda.
It is funny how pakistanis boasting "aatmi bomb" yada yada while India had no-first use policy immediatly start whining when some scientist gives a vague comment that it can be withdrawn.. don't want India's nuclear aggression? then better stop terrorism and withdraw from our lands. Otherwise learn to live with our nuclear aggression.
I read this article in full, I :lol:Lol, now I am rolling on the floor - This is utter rubbish crafted to the ears of the Pakistani populace and strictly for domestic consumption. :pop:

well the world is saying a different thing
https://www.publicintegrity.org/201...are-vulnerable-theft-us-officials-and-experts

and before sending any data please read by yourself
let me explain:
nti uses its security measures to define how a county perform in security of a countries nuclear arsenal which includes the economic performance(if economy fails nuke can goes into hands of terrorists) of a country,its cyber space (system can be hack and location of nuke can be leak),political stability, insurgencies ,advancement in technology,inner surveillance of nuclear site,thread to a country. these are the measures it uses in ranking

but as far as world know how many accident happens in india and smuggling
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ling-racket-busted-rajasthan-ats-arrests-six/
April 2011 Fire alarms blare in the control room of the Kaiga Generating Station in Karnataka. Comments by officials alternately say there was no fire, that there was only smoke and no fire, and that the fire was not in a sensitive area (2). Details from the AERB are awaited.

November 2009 Fifty-five employees consume radioactive material after tritiated water finds its way into the drinking water cooler in Kaiga Generating Station. The NPCIL attributes the incident to “an insider’s mischief” (3).

April 2003 Six tonnes leak of heavy water at reactor II of the Narora Atomic Power Station (NAPS) in Uttar Pradesh (4), indicating safety measures have not been improved from the leak at the same reactor three years previously.

January 2003 Failure of a valve in the Kalpakkam Atomic Reprocessing Plant in Tamil Nadu results in the release of high-level waste, exposing six workers to high doses of radiation (5). The leaking area of the plant had no radiation monitors or mechanisms to detect valve failure, which may have prevented the employees’ exposure. A safety committee had previously recommended that the plant be shut down. The management blames the “over enthusiasm” of the workers (6).

May 2002 Tritiated water leaks from a downgraded heavy water storage tank at the tank farm of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station (RAPS) 1&2 into a common dyke area. An estimated 22.2 Curies of radioactivity is released into the environment (7).

November 2001 A leak of 1.4 tonnes of heavy water at the NAPS I reactor, resulting in one worker receiving an internal radiation dose of 18.49 mSv (8).

April 2000 Leak of about seven tonnes of heavy water from the moderator system at NAPS Unit II. Various workers involved in the clean-up received ‘significant uptakes of tritium’, although only one had a radiation dose over the recommended annual limit (9).

March 1999 Somewhere between four and fourteen tonnes (10) of heavy water leaks from the pipes at Madras Atomic Power Station (MAPS) at Kalpakkam, Tamil Nadu, during a test process. The pipes have a history of cracks and vibration problems (11) . Forty-two people are reportedly involved in mopping up the radioactive liquid (12).

May 1994 The inner surface of the containment dome of Unit I of Kaiga Generating Station collapses (delaminates) while the plant is under construction. Approximately 130 tonnes of concrete fall from a height of nearly thirty metres (13), injuring fourteen workers. The dome had already been completed (14), forming the part of the reactor designed to prevent escape of radioactive material into the environment in the case of an accident. Fortunately, the core had not then been loaded.

February 1994 Helium gas and heavy water leak in Unit 1 of RAPS. The plant is shut down until March 1997 (15).

March 1993 Two blades of the turbine in NAPS Unit I break off, slicing through other blades and indirectly causing a raging fire, which catches onto leaked oil and spreads through the turbine building. The smoke sensors fail to detect the fire, which is only noticed once workers see the flames. It causes a blackout in the plant, including the shutdown of the secondary cooling systems, and power is not restored for seventeen hours. In the meantime, operators have to manually activate the primary shutdown system. They also climb onto the roof to open valves to slow the reactions in the core by hand (16). The incident was rated as a Level 3 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, INES.

May 1992 Tube leak causes a radioactive release of 12 Curies of radioactivity from Tarapur Atomic Power Station (17).

January 1992 Four tons of heavy water spilt at RAPS (17).

December 1991 A leak from pipelines in the vicinity of CIRUS and Dhruva research reactors at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Trombay, Maharashtra, results in severe Cs-137 soil contamination of thousands of times the acceptable limit. Local vegetation was also found to be contaminated, though contract workers digging to the leaking pipeline were reportedly not tested for radiation exposure, despite the evidence of their high dose (18).

July 1991 A contracted labourer mistakenly paints the walls of RAPS with heavy water before applying a coat of whitewash. He also washed his paintbrush, face and hands in the deuterated and tritiated water, and has not been traced since (19).

March 1991 Heavy water leak at MAPS takes four days to clean up (20).

against pakistan's

18 October 2011 Karachi, Pakistan The KANUPP Karachi nuclear power plant imposed a seven-hour emergency after heavy water leaked from a feeder pipe to the reactor. The leakage took place during a routine maintenance shut down, and the emergency was lifted seven hours later, after the affected area was isolated.[36]

CIA have spent billions of dollar to find how pakistan transports its nuke and where it stores it but failed miserably
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ocation-of-all-Pakistans-nuclear-weapons.html
IAEA reports
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/new...ce-contributes-to-sustaining-nuclear-security
http://www.nss2016.org/document-center-docs/2016/4/1/national-statement-pakistan
its an western propaganda but its good enough

and i will leave this one right here(check it if you are curious)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-index-ipsos-mori-poll-survey-a7481196.html
 
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What I get out of this urbane, sophisticated analysis is that as long as his military keeps their moustaches in good trim, there is nothing to worry about. One of their soldiers is still worth ten of the cowards and sly backstabbers. And the final rhetorical flourish makes it clear that 'Aall is well'.

Good. No need to take the rest of the thread seriously then.

Both sets of extremists have the same mindset. Both make themselves victims threatened with extinction, a minority although greater in menacing attributes, whether population, economic power and unlimited military spending at the expense of health care, education or food, clothing and shelter on one side or a practised and sophisticated state-run policy of murderous terrorism on the other. Both will take the first opportunity to scream to the world that they are being done in, in broad daylight, and that therefore their own vicious conduct is justified.

Both deserve to come to a sticky end.

On the contrary, I am totally against nukes of any kind. We have had enough bloodshed on this earth for any sane person to wish for more; however, as long as India dreams of being the 'thanedaar' of the region, and keeps on accumulating WMD's, Pakistan will have to do the same in order to survive.

Sorry, if it hurts you but I have lived among Indians and I know very well how their minds work. It is not about one Pakistani soldier being worth ten Indian soldiers, it's about the psyche of the typical Pakistani and Indian.

If I hate Indians, it is because of their hypocrisy, nothing less, nothing more.
 
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