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India's Mobile Phone Production Rises to 110 Million in 2015-16: Prasad



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A long way to go, so don't try drumming up exaggerations just yet...

Most important part of the article. we need to concentrate on manufacturing the components of mobile sets, if we want to become a truely mobile hub.

Not now.

Manufacturing is like a ladder, you climb up the stairs. Look at Japan, Korea, or China.

Hence, one must first focus on assembly of smartphones, and basic parts, then once we dominate that, higher value added parts can move here.
 
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These are assembly units,real manufacturing will only be possible when semiconduction fab facilities are set up with govt. assistance(they are very expensive,would cost more than $5 billion).And there is huge capacity in China and Taiwan,so it is not viable.
 
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I know this might be the wrong forum to ask this question but does India have any Class 10/ Class 1 semiconductor fab lab the only one is know was in CEERI pilani but has a class 100. Unless we start manufacturing Integrated Circuit chips we cannot be a world leader in electronics.

Any further Info would be appreciated
 
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I know this might be the wrong forum to ask this question but does India have any Class 10/ Class 1 semiconductor fab lab the only one is know was in CEERI pilani but has a class 100. Unless we start manufacturing Integrated Circuit chips we cannot be a world leader in electronics.

Any further Info would be appreciated

There are plans for a couple of semiconductor fab labs, there are some issues, but it will be done eventually.
 
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There was a proposal for fab city in Hyd.. yet to be materialise... but land acquired.. hope KCR will take necessary steps.

Yes. There is also a $10 billion plan for two semiconductor wafer fab manufacturing facilities in India, but there some delays, primarily due to current overcapacity in the semiconductor industry:

"The two approved consortia are led by Jaiprakash Associates Ltd, which is teaming up with International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) and Israel-based TowerJazz, to set up a Rs.29,000 crore unit in Greater Noida, and Hindustan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., which is in a partnership with French-Italian electronics and semiconductor maker STMicroelectronics NV and Malaysia-based wafer manufacturer Silterra, to set up aRs.34,000-crore fab facility in Prantij, near Gandhinagar".
 
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Yes. There is also a $10 billion plan for two semiconductor wafer fab manufacturing facilities in India, but there some delays, primarily due to current overcapacity in the semiconductor industry:

"The two approved consortia are led by Jaiprakash Associates Ltd, which is teaming up with International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) and Israel-based TowerJazz, to set up a Rs.29,000 crore unit in Greater Noida, and Hindustan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., which is in a partnership with French-Italian electronics and semiconductor maker STMicroelectronics NV and Malaysia-based wafer manufacturer Silterra, to set up aRs.34,000-crore fab facility in Prantij, near Gandhinagar".


fab city hyd is not fully established but some activity is there.. i visited last week..


http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-Begins-to-Buzz/2016/04/16/article3383007.ece

http://www.renewsysworld.com/RenewSys-acquires-assets-of-Solar-Semiconductor-Pvt-Ltd.html

Four clean technology companies - Solar Semiconductor, KSK Energy Venture Limited, XL Telecom and Energy Limited and Surana Ventures Limited - are set to start their operations at the Fab City here in a month.

According to BP Acharya, chairman and managing director of Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation Limited, these companies have the required machinery in place to produce solar cells and photovoltaic modules.

The companies have been allotted 160 acre out of the total 1,172 acre in the Fab City, which is a notified special economic zone. They would invest about Rs 6,532 crore ($1306.5 million) in phases in ten years.


http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...city-to-go-on-stream-soon-108120801002_1.html
 
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http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-Begins-to-Buzz/2016/04/16/article3383007.ece

http://www.renewsysworld.com/RenewSys-acquires-assets-of-Solar-Semiconductor-Pvt-Ltd.html

Four clean technology companies - Solar Semiconductor, KSK Energy Venture Limited, XL Telecom and Energy Limited and Surana Ventures Limited - are set to start their operations at the Fab City here in a month.

According to BP Acharya, chairman and managing director of Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation Limited, these companies have the required machinery in place to produce solar cells and photovoltaic modules.

The companies have been allotted 160 acre out of the total 1,172 acre in the Fab City, which is a notified special economic zone. They would invest about Rs 6,532 crore ($1306.5 million) in phases in ten years.


http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...city-to-go-on-stream-soon-108120801002_1.html


Hope to see class 10/ class 1 R&D labs in India rather than a production facility.
 
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There are plans for a couple of semiconductor fab labs, there are some issues, but it will be done eventually.

No the plan has been dropped. And it was foolish from the start. A fab can't be made out of thin air. It requires substantial investment, and skill, and technology. We have neither the skill, nor talent, nor money, nor market. (Here, market means chip design companies. India doesn't have one big one.)

Even China, really lags behind in semiconductor manufacturing, hence they are trying really hard. Today, around 60% of all fabrication happens in Taiwan alone.

Also, like I said before, manufacturing is a ladder. We can't go straight to semiconductor chips design or fabrication. We would have to work our way up.

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329516

http://archive.eetindia.co.in/www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800721207_1800007_NT_dc6cb7ce.HTM

http://thetechportal.com/2016/06/16...facturing-plan-falters-no-potential-investor/
 
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Yes. There is also a $10 billion plan for two semiconductor wafer fab manufacturing facilities in India, but there some delays, primarily due to current overcapacity in the semiconductor industry:

"The two approved consortia are led by Jaiprakash Associates Ltd, which is teaming up with International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) and Israel-based TowerJazz, to set up a Rs.29,000 crore unit in Greater Noida, and Hindustan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., which is in a partnership with French-Italian electronics and semiconductor maker STMicroelectronics NV and Malaysia-based wafer manufacturer Silterra, to set up aRs.34,000-crore fab facility in Prantij, near Gandhinagar".

Read my article above JP Associates have definitely withdrawn.
 
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Its too costly to maintain a fab unit. A production facility would require crores of investments. GoI must subsidize or atleast invite CEO's of Intel, Texas instruments, AMD, qualcomm to invest and have R&D centers in India.
 
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No the plan has been dropped.

I couldn't find any news that says the plan has been dropped.


Chip blues: semicon manufacture eludes India
VARUN AGGARWAL

But the country has bright prospects in chip design, say Centre and industry

MUMBAI, FEBRUARY 18, 2016:

After four years of waiting, India’s plans to set up two chip manufacturing units with an investment of over ₹63,000 crore is yet to see the light of day.

Two consortiums which had committed to set up semiconductor wafer fabrication units in India are now unable to raise enough funds as the existing fabs run by some of their partners in other parts of the world are facing demand issues.

The consortiums include one led by Jaiprakash Associates, which had partnered US giant IBM and Tower Semiconductor of Israel, and another led by HSMC Technologies, which had partnered ST Microelectronics and Silterra Malaysia.

The two proposed fabs were the biggest component of the Electronic and Semiconductor Policy rolled out in 2012.

Overcapacity challenge

“Overcapacity in chip manufacturing is a challenge. There are three-four companies (within the consortiums) and they are themselves saying they are not finding adequate business opportunities for their existing plants elsewhere,” Ravi Bansal, Joint Secretary, Ministry of Communications and IT, told BusinessLine.


So far there is almost zero high-end electronics manufacturing that happens in India. Although many large mobile handset makers have, on paper, started their manufacturing units here, what really happens is little more than assembly, with value addition of just about 1-2 per cent.

Now, even the Centre’s tone is shifting — from talking about actual electronics manufacturing to focusing more on designing chips in India.

“We don’t want a routine chip manufacturing company receiving the EDF (Electronics Development Fund). But (fund) somebody who does a particular aspect of chip design and creates an intellectual property for it,” Basal said while talking about the focus of EDF, the Centre’s new ₹10,000-crore start-up fund.

A similar sentiment is echoed by the top companies in the space.

The world’s largest chipmaker Intel has also clarified that it will not manufacture in India even if the fabs are finally set up.

“India should not focus on manufacturing microprocessors in the country as there’s already overcapacity in the space globally. Instead, chip design is an area that’s closer to India’s skill base and that’s where we can lead the world. Even China aspires to be there,” said Intel India President Kumud Srinivasan.

Qualcomm India head Sunil Lalvani said the vision of Make in India must start with solid foundation from a design perspective.

“We truly believe that the design component or the design element is a key enabler of Make in India. With the local design capabilities, and a market that is growing as fast as India is, we could play a key role in making this the design hub of the world,” he said.

Taiwanese chip maker Mediatek doesn’t believe in manufacturing chips at all. The company outsources its entire manufacturing and feels chip design is something where India can help the company.


Wrong approach

“In terms of chip designing, India has no shortage of skills. We already have two development centres here and about 500 people are already designing chips in India,” said Finbarr Moynihan, General Manager for Corporate International Sales at Mediatek.


Moynihan further said if India is looking at local chip manufacturing to get more jobs, then it may be a wrong approach. “China, Japan, US, Korea, Israel and Germany have all the big fabs. A wafer fab doesn't employ very many people. It is all automated,” he said.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...n-manufacture-eludes-india/article8253620.ece
 
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fab city hyd is not fully established but some activity is there.. i visited last week..


http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-Begins-to-Buzz/2016/04/16/article3383007.ece

http://www.renewsysworld.com/RenewSys-acquires-assets-of-Solar-Semiconductor-Pvt-Ltd.html

Four clean technology companies - Solar Semiconductor, KSK Energy Venture Limited, XL Telecom and Energy Limited and Surana Ventures Limited - are set to start their operations at the Fab City here in a month.

According to BP Acharya, chairman and managing director of Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation Limited, these companies have the required machinery in place to produce solar cells and photovoltaic modules.

The companies have been allotted 160 acre out of the total 1,172 acre in the Fab City, which is a notified special economic zone. They would invest about Rs 6,532 crore ($1306.5 million) in phases in ten years.


http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...city-to-go-on-stream-soon-108120801002_1.html


Fab is a very general terms, and is used to even denote places where large statues are made or molded. Any fabrication unit can be called a fab.

But, here we are talking specifically about a semiconductor fab, and to be even more specific, a IC fab.

As for that, your articles give no new insight.

Your first article is generally about the Hyderabad property market near the fab city--- no indication of actual activity happening there.

Your second article is about the acquisition of a solar company. Not only is this not a greenfield project, this facility fabricated solar modules, not ICs.

Your fourth article is so old, it must never have been posted. It is from 2008, and lists 4 companies whose fabs (the companies you listed in your post) are to be opened. Since, the article is from 2008, all the companies would already have opened if they were seriously planning to open. Not only that, one of the company cited which is supposed to be opening a fab, has even been acquired as in your own second cited article. Finally, none are IC, or even semiconductor fabs.

I couldn't find any news that says the plan has been dropped.


Chip blues: semicon manufacture eludes India
VARUN AGGARWAL

But the country has bright prospects in chip design, say Centre and industry

MUMBAI, FEBRUARY 18, 2016:

After four years of waiting, India’s plans to set up two chip manufacturing units with an investment of over ₹63,000 crore is yet to see the light of day.

Two consortiums which had committed to set up semiconductor wafer fabrication units in India are now unable to raise enough funds as the existing fabs run by some of their partners in other parts of the world are facing demand issues.

The consortiums include one led by Jaiprakash Associates, which had partnered US giant IBM and Tower Semiconductor of Israel, and another led by HSMC Technologies, which had partnered ST Microelectronics and Silterra Malaysia.

The two proposed fabs were the biggest component of the Electronic and Semiconductor Policy rolled out in 2012.

Overcapacity challenge

“Overcapacity in chip manufacturing is a challenge. There are three-four companies (within the consortiums) and they are themselves saying they are not finding adequate business opportunities for their existing plants elsewhere,” Ravi Bansal, Joint Secretary, Ministry of Communications and IT, told BusinessLine.


So far there is almost zero high-end electronics manufacturing that happens in India. Although many large mobile handset makers have, on paper, started their manufacturing units here, what really happens is little more than assembly, with value addition of just about 1-2 per cent.

Now, even the Centre’s tone is shifting — from talking about actual electronics manufacturing to focusing more on designing chips in India.

“We don’t want a routine chip manufacturing company receiving the EDF (Electronics Development Fund). But (fund) somebody who does a particular aspect of chip design and creates an intellectual property for it,” Basal said while talking about the focus of EDF, the Centre’s new ₹10,000-crore start-up fund.

A similar sentiment is echoed by the top companies in the space.

The world’s largest chipmaker Intel has also clarified that it will not manufacture in India even if the fabs are finally set up.

“India should not focus on manufacturing microprocessors in the country as there’s already overcapacity in the space globally. Instead, chip design is an area that’s closer to India’s skill base and that’s where we can lead the world. Even China aspires to be there,” said Intel India President Kumud Srinivasan.

Qualcomm India head Sunil Lalvani said the vision of Make in India must start with solid foundation from a design perspective.

“We truly believe that the design component or the design element is a key enabler of Make in India. With the local design capabilities, and a market that is growing as fast as India is, we could play a key role in making this the design hub of the world,” he said.

Taiwanese chip maker Mediatek doesn’t believe in manufacturing chips at all. The company outsources its entire manufacturing and feels chip design is something where India can help the company.


Wrong approach

“In terms of chip designing, India has no shortage of skills. We already have two development centres here and about 500 people are already designing chips in India,” said Finbarr Moynihan, General Manager for Corporate International Sales at Mediatek.


Moynihan further said if India is looking at local chip manufacturing to get more jobs, then it may be a wrong approach. “China, Japan, US, Korea, Israel and Germany have all the big fabs. A wafer fab doesn't employ very many people. It is all automated,” he said.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...n-manufacture-eludes-india/article8253620.ece

You are quoting an article from February. I am quoting an article from last month.

You are quoting an article that itself says that the chip fab plans have been delayed, cancelled due to over capacity, and the focus has been shifted to chip design.

We are talking here only about fab, not design. Design is an altogether different story.

Also, I'm not arguing against funding chip designers and fabs. They must be funded, so we can increase our know how, and set up an industrial base, with the required skill set, an eco-system of sorts.

But to expect, that this is where India is heading is completely misleading.

India is not entering the big league of either fab companies or chip design houses in the next 10 years.
 
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