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India's Military Might: Hype over Substance

Yes I just ducked 3 bullets, 5 suicide bombers and couple of RPGs on my way to office! :(

Eff you Indian Army! :mad:

a pretty cheap a$$ comment, come to Pakistan and then blab..but then again dont, keep getting your daily dose from TOI i guess it works for the likes of you
 
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we have limited resources but unlimited potential. When ultimate time arrives ,you going to witness india armed forces valour as you always do??don't you people. Till then we want to live in hype ,actully we gotta a train to catch.
 
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A little pointer to the so called might of the Indian Army.

During operation parakram in 2002 more than 100 soldiers died planting defective mines.

google it. and you will find the truth in many neutral articles.

Fact is that the generals and polticians are getting rich by the day while the military is *******.
 
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An army cannot be modernized in overnight. It take considerable amount of time to implement the advanced machines etc.

And it is an evolving process all the time...

Yes..we lacked that part and we were slow, i think, till 2003-04 but now we are on track..

The evidence are MKI, AKASH, LCA & MMRCA, IAC Series, Arihant etc..

And for the future, we are looking like FGFA & AMCA and lots of future projects.

Had we thought the way we do now, current state of Indian Armed Forces would have been more advanced...we hardly purchased/made anything in 1985 to 1998 period..
 
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1. a million strong army
Amillion strong Army which just sat on border singing ,"sandeshe aate hain.humein tadpate hain."....Ala 2002 style then returns home.

2. one of the best fighter jets in su-30 mki
Which do fly-past on republic day and just silently sneak cross borders like thieves....ala after 26/11

3. aircraft careers, nuclear submarines
Which spends more time in repair dockyards then on high seas.even if on high seas exercising.terrorists just sneak under its nose in biggest city of india to cause mayhem giving world 3 days of live tv coverage.

4. more than 50 billion dollars worth of defense deals

did i miss something? where is the substance:cheesy:
Wats the point in allocating so much money when u cant make up descision to buy weapons on time. or is it just to decide which vendor pays highest bribe to polictical/babu dispensation.its better spend this money on public then to bribe corrupt.
 
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From my experience indians are very cosmetic and symbolism type people and such show off is also projected in the national politics..Even with all this supposed might India has always retracted to "covert" terrorist ops in their adversary territories or engaged in shooting poor unarmed Bengali civilians. This speaks volume about Indian army trajectory.

How true. Thanks for being here :cheers:
 
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Amillion strong Army which just sat on border singing ,"sandeshe aate hain.humein tadpate hain."....Ala 2002 style then returns home.

Which do fly-past on republic day and just silently sneak cross borders like thieves....ala after 26/11


Which spends more time in repair dockyards then on high seas.even if on high seas exercising.terrorists just sneak under its nose in biggest city of india to cause mayhem giving world 3 days of live tv coverage.


Wats the point in allocating so much money when u cant make up descision to buy weapons on time. or is it just to decide which vendor pays highest bribe to polictical/babu dispensation.its better spend this money on public then to bribe corrupt.

1 :rofl::rofl: well singing is a part of it . we do kick some a** as well. here take a look..

and btw this started exactly when the song added

YouTube - Battle of Longewala 1971 India Pakistan war

2 . dude u got it the other way around. actually the people who did 26/11 sneaked into our country in a fisherman boat like cowards. if they had any balls they would tried to take on the indian army and not the unarmed civilians of my country. we took good care of them like we always do.

regarding the self proclaimed ( IAF intrusion of Pakistan airspace ) by Pakistan media , know i m not sure whether it happened or not but if it did happen one thing it clearly highlights is the incompetence of PAF.

this is what we do when our airspace is intruded


YouTube - Indian Air Force-Mig21s Shot Down Pakistani Navy Spy Plane in 1999 - Part 2
( do not agree with some tags of the author who made this video)

3 .regarding our babus I agree with u , a lot of improvement needed on this front . we need to make our system more transparent . we r working in it though eg RTI is a very good step in this direction
 
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A little pointer to the so called might of the Indian Army.

During operation parakram in 2002 more than 100 soldiers died planting defective mines.

google it. and you will find the truth in many neutral articles.

Fact is that the generals and polticians are getting rich by the day while the military is *******.

wrong!its not during mining but during demining .You got all your facts wrong.The reality is pakistan did paid a heavy price by deployment to border ,its economy was near to bankrupt on the other hand indian economy not even hampered due to this now you go and check any neutral stats about on indian eco on 2002.
 
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1 :rofl::rofl: well singing is a part of it . we do kick some a** as well. here take a look..

and btw this started exactly when the song added

YouTube - Battle of Longewala 1971 India Pakistan war

2 . dude u got it the other way around. actually the people who did 26/11 sneaked into our country in a fisherman boat like cowards. if they had any balls they would tried to take on the indian army and not the unarmed civilians of my country. we took good care of them like we always do.

regarding the self proclaimed ( IAF intrusion of Pakistan airspace ) by Pakistan media , know i m not sure whether it happened or not but if it did happen one thing it clearly highlights is the incompetence of PAF.

this is what we do when our airspace is intruded


YouTube - Indian Air Force-Mig21s Shot Down Pakistani Navy Spy Plane in 1999 - Part 2
( do not agree with some tags of the author who made this video)

3 .regarding our babus I agree with u , a lot of improvement needed on this front . we need to make our system more transparent . we r working in it though eg RTI is a very good step in this direction

well no need to reply to him buddy, am wondering what if some guy bashing pakistan ,with false flag,if MODS gonna give him/her free hand to troll ?
 
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Serious concerns about the trajectory of Indian defense policy stand in sharp contrast to hyperbolic talk of India's military rise.

By Harsh V Pant for ISN Insights


When it comes to military defense aspirations, all eyes are on - and wallets open to - India, as big defense players vie for the multi-billion dollar prize of providing multirole combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF). Just last week French President Nicolas Sarkozy visited India pushing jet fighter aircraft Dassault's Rafale, which is back as a contender after it was initially knocked out of the race for technical reasons last year. British Defense Secretary Liam Fox was in New Delhi two weeks ago promoting the Eurofighter Typhoon, as India looks to buy 126 new combat aircraft. The Obama administration is also eyeing the lucrative multi-billion dollar tender. Russian President Dmitri Medvedev will also be in Delhi later this month in order to firm up an already tight defense partnership. Russia was and still is a huge seller of defense equipment to India, although the government's outreach to the US and Europe has allowed for a diversification of the defense market.

India has been the world's second-largest arms buyer over the past five years, importing seven percent of the world's arms exports. With the world's fourth largest military and one of its biggest defense budgets, India has been in the midst of a huge defense modernization program for more than a decade now; one that has seen billions of dollars spent on the latest high-tech military technology. According to a recent report by KPMG, India will be spending around $100 billion on defense purchases over the next decade. This liberal spending on military equipment has attracted the interest of western industry and governments alike and is changing the scope of the global defense market.

From hyperbole to reality

And yet, just a few weeks ago, India's Air Chief Marshal P V Naik bluntly informed the country that half of the equipment used by the IAF is either obsolete or obsolescent. Though he assured the nation that the IAF was quite "capable" of carrying out its defensive role, he was unequivocal in his suggestion that most of the hardware used by the IAF was not in the best operational condition. At a time when Indian political brass blithely talk of India's rise as a military power, such a statement from the top military leadership raises serious concerns about the trajectory of Indian defense policy. That this is happening at a time when the regional security environment in Asia is witnessing an unprecedented military transformation should make redressing the situation the government's top priority.

India's security environment is deteriorating rapidly with the prospect of the Taliban's return to power in Afghanistan, the military taking control in Pakistan, China asserting its territorial interests more aggressively than ever before, deepening Sino-Pakistan military cooperation, internal turmoil in Kashmir and the growing Maoist threat.

As a percentage of GDP, annual defense spending has declined to one of its lowest levels since 1962. More damaging, the defense ministry has not been able to spend its budgetary allocation for the last several years. The defense acquisition process remains mired in corruption and bureaucracy. A series of defense procurement scandals since the late 1980s have also made the bureaucracy risk averse, thereby delaying the acquisition process India's indigenous defense production industry has time and again made apparent its inability to meet the demands of the armed forces. While the armed forces keep waiting for arms and equipment, the finance ministry is left with unspent budget funds year after year. Most large procurement programs get delayed, resulting in cost escalation and technological or strategic obsolescence of the budgeted items.

Coming up short…and frustrated

Not surprisingly, while the Indian army asserts that it is 50 percent short of attaining full capability and will need around 20 years to gain full defense preparedness, naval analysts are pointing out that India's naval power is actually declining. During the 1999 Kargil conflict, operations were hampered by a lack of adequate equipment. The then Indian army chief famously commented that the forces would fight with whatever they had, underlining the army's frustrating inability to procure the arms it needs. Only because the conflict remained largely confined to the 150 kilometer front in Kargil sector did India manage to gain an upper hand, ejecting Pakistani forces from its side of the Line-of-Control.

India also lacked the ability to impose significant military costs during Operation Parakram in 2001-2002 because of the unavailability of suitable weaponry and night-vision equipment needed to carry out swift surgical strikes. Similarly, the public outcry after the terror attacks on Mumbai in November 2008 was strong enough for the Indian government to consider using the military option vis-à-vis Pakistan. But it soon turned out that India no longer had the capability of imposing quick and effective retribution on Pakistan and that it did not enjoy the kind of conventional superiority over its regional adversary that it had for the past five decades.

The organizational set-up of India's higher defense continues to exhibit serious weaknesses, with its strategic ability to prosecute contemporary wars in serious doubt. The current institutional structures are not effective enough to provide single-point military advice to the government or to facilitate the definition of defense objectives. Coordinated and synergized joint operations need integrated theater commands, yet India has not yet found it necessary to appoint even a defense chief-of-staff.

The Indian government is yet to demonstrate the political will to tackle the defense policy paralysis that seems to be rendering all claims of India's rise as a military power increasingly hollow. There has been no long-term strategic review of India's security environment, and no overall defense strategy has been articulated. The challenge for the Indian government is to delineate clearly what products they need and how to build up their own industry by significantly reforming their domestic defense manufacturing sector. In the absence of a comprehensive, long-term appraisal of the country's defense requirements, there will be little clarity about India's real needs in defense acquisitions. And India's rise as a major global player will remain merely a matter of potential.

India's Military Might: Hype over Substance / ISN


The highlighted part are the essence. The politicians are letting us and our defense forces down :angry::angry: and exposing us to the bulling of china or blackmailing of pakistan.:hitwall::hitwall:
 
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Defence procurements are getting faster these days.
Though FMS has its critics, it gets its job done in a rotten system like india. What if we have to pay a bit more, atleast we would get it in time.
Indian defence forces are undergoing massive overhaul and i believe this will not be the face of IDF after a decade.
Till then we need to have patience.
regards
 
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i think the whole article was created just to provide a reason and excuse to the people in order to increase the military budget in near future
 
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Totally Agree with article :tup::tup:

We got a very weak force, and we spend such a small amount of money on defence(% of our GDP). We need to make our force stronger and need to spend more money on defence to have a credible detrrence against China..;)
 
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Amillion strong Army which just sat on border singing ,"sandeshe aate hain.humein tadpate hain."....Ala 2002 style then returns home.


Which do fly-past on republic day and just silently sneak cross borders like thieves....ala after 26/11


Which spends more time in repair dockyards then on high seas.even if on high seas exercising.terrorists just sneak under its nose in biggest city of india to cause mayhem giving world 3 days of live tv coverage.


Wats the point in allocating so much money when u cant make up descision to buy weapons on time. or is it just to decide which vendor pays highest bribe to polictical/babu dispensation.its better spend this money on public then to bribe corrupt.

Answer to all of this....

KARGIL
 
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