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I would like Pakistan to follow SpaceX'es lead.....like China is doing too (they just had their 1st reusable rocket test).
Here is the deal, you will never be able to run a SpaceX in Pakistan till you have your own equivalent of NASA. Because there won't be enough experienced scientists working in the space tech in the first place for a business to captialize on. So go on :rofl: be China's second fiddle :lol:.

First you bought JF-17, next you will buy satellite feed and from what I heard you are "contributing" in Chinese space program to send a Pakistani in space. On a Chinese spaceship. I don't know what that will bring to your country as well -- If I use the same yardstick that you are using.
 
Lemme ask one thing. Since Pakistan does not have a real space program anyways. I am sure Pakistan's infra will be much better than India, isnt it?

1. Dams? Naaah waiting for finances from China.
2. Ports? Naah waiting for finances from China.
3. Public Transport? Naah waiting for China to finance Lahore Metro. And lets not even talk about Pakistan's Railway system.
4. Health care? IMR worse than India, avg life expectancy worse than India, Pakistani patients have to beg visa for critical medical procedures in India.
5. Education? Literacy rate well... what can I say. Colleges? Err... QS Rank thread on this forum speaks a lot.
6. Per capita GDP? USD 500 less than India

I mean what did the folks like Pakistan (who started at the same place as India) achieved by NOT having a space program? Did cost of (rather saving from not incurring that cost) space program had ANY impact on Pakistan and B'desh that you are so much promoting?

The reason I use B'desh and Pakistan as benchmark is because they all had the similar starting point.

Are we discussing National policies now?? Stay on topic...

Oh?
India does not need space tech?

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Let me expand on what I wrote........"it doesn't need space tech coming from a Mars Orbiter".

If it did, there would have been noise from the Indian media....but all we get is dead silence and news reports of how it's a near costly failure.

You do know that SpaceX is built upon lots of innovation that NASA did back during the space race. Had there been no NASA there would have been no SpaceX. And yes, there were lots of space missions with no immediate benefits.

Not really, all early space missions were to establish Space Dominance....which both Russia and the US have achieved, US more so.

India on the other hand has barely launched it's own ISS and is already dreaming about Mars. :disagree:


Here is the deal, you will never be able to run a SpaceX in Pakistan till you have your own equivalent of NASA. Because there won't be enough experienced scientists working in the space tech in the first place for a business to captialize on. So go on :rofl: be China's second fiddle :lol:.

First you bought JF-17, next you will buy satellite feed and from what I heard you are "contributing" in Chinese space program to send a Pakistani in space. On a Chinese spaceship. I don't know what that will bring to your country as well -- If I use the same yardstick that you are using.


Pakistan is doing things differently and in a cost effective manner. More bang for the buck. Not a tiny bang for millions of bucks wasted.

As long as the end goal is achieved, doesn't matter if it's a NASA, SpaceX or Chinese rocket which carries the payload.

As for the JF-17, we made it.....I don't know where you got the "bought" version of the story. Not only is it manufactured (with some foreign parts like any other fighter in the world like India's also hint hint).

JF-17 is in full production mode while Tejas is still in development mode.....and you have to buy more foreign products (like the Rafale) to bring back the status quo.

You also fail to understand that if Pakistan achieves air superiority over India through indigenous programmes like the JF-17.............being slightly further ahead in the Space Domain won't help India. :D

Since all that matters is on this green blue planet........the reason why humanity went to Space in the first place was military dominance.....just like it is today and will be tomorrow. Your country is that far along the pathway of space dominance fyi.

And I hope India sends a hundred such Orbiters to Space....for it'll take away attention from much pressing matters. :enjoy:
 
If it did, there would have been noise from the Indian media....but all we get is dead silence and news reports of how it's a near costly failure.
Where do we see "costly failure" new items? The OP post is more of a blog post.

Heck funny thing is this : even OP's post does not call it failure. Where did you come up with this idea btw?
 
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As for the JF-17, we made it
You "made" it? As in you folks did R&D on it? Last I checked all the actual development work happens in CAC and not PAC. At best it is as much as "We made it" as Su30 MKI is "India Made it".

Comeback when PAC develops flight control laws for it at least.

Anyways the thread is not on JF-17.
 
Pakistan is doing things differently and in a cost effective manner. More bang for the buck. Not a tiny bang for millions of bucks wasted.
Oh really?

Cost effective Dams ... checked.
Cost effective electricity... checked.
Cost effective health care... checked.
Cost effective education... checked?
 
Are we discussing National policies now?? Stay on topic...
Well since the point is Pakistan avoided wasting money in wasteful Mars Mission or likewise (similar to JF-17 style) so that money must have helped Pakistan's common public immensely, right? Is that the reality?

If not then perhaps Space Tech or even Mars mission is not exactly a drag on public infra. There is way more to story.
 
The problem is not SUPARCO but the past governments......they issued a low budget so that budget had to go to essentials before the non-essentials.....let alone expansion of the Space Programme.

OK.

The PR stunt being discussed in this thread was also on the decision of the Indian government. I'm sure Indian engineers would have voiced their opinion about the sunk costs of the Mars Orbiter. Just like Pakistani engineers voice opinions about the limitations of SUPARCO based on the government's decisions.

While Mangalyaan was certainly a demonstrator to the world it is also a science mission. And I would really like it if the findings are used by ISRO to participate in a manned Mars mission by 2035 with all friendly nations. Maybe Pakistan too by then.
 
You know what americans hate a lot? Paying taxes. At all.
Or even Universal medical care like Canada? Why? The answer I get from lot of americans is "I do not want to pay for another stupid guys issues".

Americans hate to contribute any money anywhere as taxes.

Yes its true and its why Americans enjoy such a high standard of living.
 
Don't make me laugh.
The country where people have to ration Insulin can never be called to have a high living standard.

American living standards is a disaster to cry, not laugh.

Look at their trains. Pathetic.
Look at their roads. Pathetic.
Look at their health system. Pathetic.

Canada is way way way superior to them in quality of life.

I got a fracture last year. In USA I would have gone bankrrupt, my insurer would be making the choices of who can treat me. Not in Canada.

America has a first world military, first world R&D, first world financial system, first world education system but their quality of life is third world. Actually its getting worse than third world.
 

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