INDIA’S MARITIME CLAIMS Bangladesh files protests at UN

[salute]

Such shoot-to-kill action is practiced nowhere else in the world except India-Bangladesh Border. Often times it is not even border crossing, it is just border dwellers straying over unintentionally. BSF is just acting like a terrorist entity.

It is a low life cowardly practice goaded on and openly supported by Hindutva Fascists in India. If you see people cross illegally, you are supposed to jail them and deport them. Only Indian BSF which is a low-life cowardly force does this shoot-to-kill action.

Be aware though, that there will be illegal border crossers from India too, time is coming. And they will get shot and killed, BSF has already set the precedent and legitimacy. Hasina's time for India sycophancy is almost over.

I have suggested before that we arm the border dwellers on Bangladesh side and that idea is IMHO still a valid one, or place Village Answars in heavy traffic border points. Bangladesh govt. will just look the other way and we will see Indians crying about it then. Let BSF deal with that when the time comes.

You would probably killing Muslims returning to Bangladesh.

 

[GumNaam]

INDIA’S MARITIME CLAIMS
Bangladesh files protests at UN
Shahidul Islam Chowdhury | Published: 23:50, Sep 17,2021

Bangladesh has registered two protests to the United Nations against the claims of India made on some of the geographical coordinates concerning the straight baselines for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea and setting outer limits of the continental shelf.

On behalf of the Bangladesh government, the Bangladesh permanent mission to the UN headquarters in New York served two diplomatic notes on September 13 to the United Nations secretary general regarding the claims of India on the matters.
The Bangladesh government took the matter to the UN after failing to resolve it bilaterally as the dispute arose following Indian claims.

Bangladesh said that India enacted a law in 1976 declaring its territorial waters, continental shelf and exclusive economic zone using ‘the low water line’ to define the limits of those zones.

After 33 years, it amended the law in 2009 unilaterally declaring its territorial sea, contiguous zone, exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf along certain portions of its east coast in the Bay of Bengal by reference to ‘straight baselines.’
The Bangladesh foreign ministry protested against the Indian move, in a letter in October 2009 to the country, and requested the country to correct the mistakes it had made.

The matter has, however, became complicated after India sent a letter to the UN opposing the baseline set by Bangladesh in April 2021. After that, Bangladesh too decided to take the matter to the UN.

In a note verbale to the UNSG on September 13, 2021, Bangladesh said the use of straight baselines in this area does not conform to the applicable rules of international law and customary international law.

Some of the base points for the straight baselines set by India are completely at sea without grounded on any form of coastline. India’s base point 87 is entirely at sea, as the nearest Indian coast is approximately 10.5 nautical miles away.
India’s base point 89 is located on Bangladesh’s side of the maritime boundary with India, 2.3nm inside Bangladeshi waters.

Bangladesh requested India to correct this mistake in the spirit of the 2014 award of the arbitral tribunal delimiting the maritime boundary between the two countries. ‘But India has yet to do so,’ according to the note to the UN secretary general which was made available on the relevant website.

Bangladesh said it ‘will continue to object to base points 87 and 89 in particular until appropriate corrections are made and notified to the United Nations.’
Foreign ministry’s maritime affairs unit secretary Md Khurshed Alam said that the way India declared its baseline is in violation of article seven of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

India, in a letter to the UN on 16 April 2021, objected to a submission of Bangladesh amending sections of the claims involving the continental shelf in the deep sea made to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf on 22 October 2020.
In a separate diplomatic note to the UN secretary general on September 13, Bangladesh said that the outer limits of the continental shelf of Bangladesh are defined by one fixed point that represents the coordinates of the point where its maritime boundaries intersect with India and Myanmar.

The boundary with India was determined by the award of an arbitral tribunal on 7 July 2014. The boundary with Myanmar was determined by the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in a judgment on 14 March 2012.

Bangladesh said that the bearing of the depicted delimitation line between Bangladesh and India is entirely consistent with the 2014 award of the arbitral tribunal.
‘In any event, the bearing of the delimitation line is an established fact determined by the arbitral tribunal with final and binding effect on both the parties and is readily determined by reference to the award itself,’ Bangladesh stated.

Bangladesh also said its use of the base points to which India objected has no effect on the location of the tri-point intersection, which is beyond 200 miles from the coast of either state.

India published gazette notifications reflecting the award of the arbitral tribunal related to the single maritime boundary line between Bangladesh and India, including the intersection point of the two maritime boundary lines at precisely the same coordinates as identified by Bangladesh in its amended submission.

‘There is no dispute between Bangladesh and India as to the limits of Bangladesh’s entitlement to the continental shelf beyond 200 miles in the Bay of Bengal,’ according to the note verbale, and ‘the issue of the so-called “grey area” does not “arise in connection with the establishment of the outer limit of the continental shelf” of Bangladesh.’

‘The CLCS has no role to play in the determination of the extent of the so-called “grey area” where India’s EEZ overlaps with the continental shelf beyond 200 miles of Bangladesh,’ Bangladesh said, adding that, the CLCS’s role ‘is limited to determining that Bangladesh has an entitlement in the continental shelf beyond 200 M and the limit(s) of that entitlement.’

Bangladesh’s amended submission including the intersection point of its maritime boundaries with India and Myanmar, ‘has been made in full compliance with the respective laws and procedures’ applicable in this case, according to the note verbale.
There is no justification to make further claims to the UN on matters settled an arbitral tribunal of the UN involving the disputes on maritime boundaries of Bangladesh and India,’ foreign ministry’s maritime affairs unit secretary Md Khurshed Alam added.

The disputes arose as India in 2009 submitted its claim to the continental shelf of the Bay of the Bengal cutting off Bangladesh’s access to the deep sea and creating a dispute over several thousand square kilometres of areas claimed by Bangladesh of the continental shelf.

Bangladesh immediately lodged separate objections with the UN on the matters as the maritime boundary delimitation between the two countries remained unresolved back in 2009.

On February 25, 2011, Bangladesh submitted to the commission on the limits of the continental shelf within 200nm from the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

The grey area at the deep sea involving Bangladesh’s maritime boundary was set by an international tribunal.

Myanmar also lodged a submission to the UN, in December 2008, to establish its claim in deep sea from the west coast abutting the Bay of Bengal, including around the Preparis and Co Co Islands, which Bangladesh disputes.

Bangladesh objected to the Myanmar submission claiming that the areas Myanmar were seeking in the outer continental shelf form part of the natural prolongation of Bangladesh.

The cases on objections recorded by Bangladesh, India and Myanmar are still pending with the UN.

Bangladesh files protests at UN against India's maritime claim

Bangladesh has registered two protests to the United Nations against the claims of India made on some of the geographical coordinates concerning the straight baselines...

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Bangladesh needs to be a part of a nuclear military alliance with Pakistan & China as of yesterday...

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

You mean that including those parts would have made proportion of Hindus and Muslims as 50-50 ? Was West Pakistani leadership on-board this idea of being a Muslim-Hindu 50/50 country?
And if Pakistan was so comfortable with having Hindus, then why did they forcibly drive away millions of Hindus / Sikhs from West Pak?


Whats making you say that WB folk are suffering due to being part of India. I see more BD ppl coming to WB for shopping, treatment etc than the other way round.


WB has Bengali as their state language. No one is taking that away. No one is taking away their culture either. So what are you crying about?

Yes, Jinnah was on board with the idea, as was the viceroy and then British PM Clement Atlee and Gandhi as well.


Everybody wanted it go through until the Hindu mahasaba under syama prasad mukherjee shot it down due to his personal greed and obtuse view of the world.

Mind you many Hindus supported this idea too.. Jinnah said himself; What is Bengal without Kolkata (on partition).


Seeing the Hindu Mahasaba's posture then INC as in Nehru also quickly changed his tone.



And once INC voiced their concerns, the plan was dead in the water.



It was to be called the Free State of Bengal.


You can read up more about it online, it was designed to be equal in every way possible..







Bengali as state language and yet more and more of their youth prefer speaking Hindi to sound hip.. how do I know ? I met WB students abroad. Whether it's an isolated case idk.


And any culture cannot live in coexistence with another, Hindustani culture has been forcibly superimposed over Bengali culture and it's slowly but surely taking precedence and wiping the latter out.

 

[magra]

Yes, Jinnah was on board with the idea, as was the viceroy and then British PM Clement Atlee and Gandhi as well.

Everybody wanted it go through until the Hindu mahasaba under syama prasad mukherjee shot it down due to his personal greed and obtuse view of the world.

Mind you many Hindus supported this idea too.. Jinnah said himself; What is Bengal without Kolkata (on partition).

Seeing the Hindu Mahasaba's posture then INC as in Nehru also quickly changed his tone.

And once INC voiced their concerns, the plan was dead in the water.

It was to be called the Free State of Bengal.

You can read up more about it online, it was designed to be equal in every way possible..

Bengali as state language and yet more and more of their youth prefer speaking Hindi to sound hip.. how do I know ? I met WB students abroad. Whether it's an isolated case idk.

And any culture cannot live in coexistence with another, Hindustani culture has been forcibly superimposed over Bengali culture and it's slowly but surely taking precedence and wiping the latter out.

So help me understand this.

Muslim league's idea of Pakistan was West Pakistan + Entire state of Bengal, right?
And by doing so, the resultant Pakistan would have been 50% Hindu and 50% Muslim ?

So there would be a Hindu PM and Muslim President or vice versa kind of thing?

 

[Super Falcon]

What happened to hasina love affair

India is a bully in the region probleum for entire region

 

[vishwambhar]

71 was a war-time blockade when the concepts of territorial waters etc do not apply. You do what you can by force in war.
We are talking about what India can or cannot do legally. India cannot legally block BD's trade outside its territorial sea (which is 12 nautical miles from coast)

India will never engage in an offensive war with any nation, let alone with an ally like BD. All our wars since independence have been defensive in nature, except may be the BD liberation war.
It is destructive for both nations and not aligned with our objectives.

We are strategic Allies....

I don't know what happened and I don't know where/how to research without any hint/keyword. Would you please enlighten us about what happened?

I think Sikkim merger which happened in 1975 he is misunderstanding with Bangladesh....

 

[Maula Jatt]

Yes, Jinnah was on board with the idea, as was the viceroy and then British PM Clement Atlee and Gandhi as well.


Everybody wanted it go through until the Hindu mahasaba under syama prasad mukherjee shot it down due to his personal greed and obtuse view of the world.

Mind you many Hindus supported this idea too.. Jinnah said himself; What is Bengal without Kolkata (on partition).


Seeing the Hindu Mahasaba's posture then INC as in Nehru also quickly changed his tone.



And once INC voiced their concerns, the plan was dead in the water.



It was to be called the Free State of Bengal.


You can read up more about it online, it was designed to be equal in every way possible..







Bengali as state language and yet more and more of their youth prefer speaking Hindi to sound hip.. how do I know ? I met WB students abroad. Whether it's an isolated case idk.


And any culture cannot live in coexistence with another, Hindustani culture has been forcibly superimposed over Bengali culture and it's slowly but surely taking precedence and wiping the latter out.

As a famous writer said once
Hindustani language has been " a man-eating language"

Wherever it goes, it kills the soul of that land

South India has my respect for holding the fort
But this is the cost of a multi-ethnic country, slowly but surely one culture will dominate the rest
China speaks one language because of that (and many other reasons but this is a major one)

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

So help me understand this.

Muslim league's idea of Pakistan was West Pakistan + Entire state of Bengal, right?
And by doing so, the resultant Pakistan would have been 50% Hindu and 50% Muslim ?

So there would be a Hindu PM and Muslim President or vice versa kind of thing?

No, it has nothing to do with Pakistan.. Muslim League was a Bengali led party to begin with.



There would be three successor states to the British Raj, one for Muslims, a secular Hindustan (atleast in name) and a religiously ambiguous free state of Bengal.



I keep telling you this was an actual thing, a plan that was tabled and for a while all parties except the Brahmin Hindus agreed to it.



I do not know the details of how the subsequent country would be run but I presume in some sort of power sharing government, I do know that the army and police forces would be split 50/50..


And equal representation in the legislature as well.





It wouldn't have been any different from modern day Bangladesh, except it'd have a better economy, a better more balanced society and an overall strong player on the global scale.



I mean this Bengal we're talking about, this region has achieved much when it was united..



They say what happens in Bengal is a preview of what is to happen in the rest of the sub continent.


Case in point.. 1905 partition of Bengal on religious grounds and a broader application of that theory in '47 by Muslim League and Jinnah.

 

[magra]

As a famous writer said once
Hindustani language has been " a man-eating language"

Wherever it goes, it kills the soul of that land

South India has my respect for holding the fort
But this is the cost of a multi-ethnic country, slowly but surely one culture will dominate the rest
China speaks one language because of that (and many other reasons but this is a major one)

So Pakistan's soul has already been eaten by the Hindustani language (Urdu)?

 

[Maula Jatt]

So Pakistan's soul has already been eaten by the Hindustani language (Urdu)?

Yep, f Urdu, ofcourse you can't kill out the man but you really did sicken him

Only out of respect for Jinnah do we accept it as our own and invest in it so everyone can cammunicate

Homogenization is important for multi-ethnic countries
Everyone must be able to cammunicate in one language, under one leader, one flag

 

[magra]

No, it has nothing to do with Pakistan.. Muslim League was a Bengali led party to begin with.

There would be three successor states to the British Raj, one for Muslims, a secular Hindustan (atleast in name) and a religiously ambiguous free state of Bengal.

What do you mean by religiously ambiguous. Having equal number of Hindus and Muslims in an independent nation of united Bengal would essentially make it secular, right?
Jinnah was okay with this Bengal secular nation being not part of Pakistan?

Yep, f Urdu, ofcourse you can't kill out the man but you really did sicken him

Only out of respect for Jinnah do we accept it as our own and invest in it so everyone can cammunicate

Homogenization is important for multi-ethnic countries
Everyone must be able to cammunicate in one language, under one leader, one flag

So you continue with the 'soul eating' language out of respect for Jinnah?
But you do not follow his other direction of keeping religion and state separate? You do know that Jinnah did not want Pakistan to turn into an Islamic state.

 

[Maula Jatt]

What do you mean by religiously ambiguous. Having equal number of Hindus and Muslims in an independent nation of united Bengal would essentially make it secular, right?
Jinnah was okay with this Bengal secular nation being not part of Pakistan?

Lol this is what he wanted from the beginning until British shot it down as Bangal can only be out of India under Pakistan

 

[magra]

Lol this is what he wanted from the beginning until British shot it down as Bangal can only be out of India under Pakistan

So it is the British who shot it down and not Hindu Mahasabha and Congress?

Also, I guess having 3 nations - Muslim majority, Hindu majority, Hindu-Muslim equal state - would have seriously made Jinnah's 2 nation theory very confusing.

 

[Maula Jatt]

So it is the British who shot it down and not Hindu Mahasabha and Congress?

Also, I guess having 3 nations - Muslim majority, Hindu majority, Hindu-Muslim equal state - would have seriously made Jinnah's 2 nation theory very confusing.

As far as I know British wanted both wings to be one country, Jinnah didn't due to geographical reasons
But when they said it's only one-way street, 2 wings Idea was accepted

Multiple things were happening at the same time, probably this independent Bengal was his way of strengthening the case for seperate countries
Who knows, confusing times

 

[Maula Jatt]

What do you mean by religiously ambiguous. Having equal number of Hindus and Muslims in an independent nation of united Bengal would essentially make it secular, right?
Jinnah was okay with this Bengal secular nation being not part of Pakistan?

So you continue with the 'soul eating' language out of respect for Jinnah?
But you do not follow his other direction of keeping religion and state separate? You do know that Jinnah did not want Pakistan to turn into an Islamic state.

Well in all practical terms Pakistan follows no Shariah, you can do whatever the hell you want short of public indecency

It's an Islamic republic in name to appease religious people, somewhere along the line someone may have done added couple of laws but they get repealed except for the politically contentious ones like Muslim PM and blasphemy laws
They will too in due time, wait and watch...
Pakistan is inherently a somewhat liberal society (except for some areas), Saudi waves cannot completely change the people
Things go back to thier natural ways