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India’s electricity problems
An area of darkness
Giant electricity cuts cast half of India into darkness—and highlight its lousy infrastructure
Aug 4th 2012 | MUMBAI | from the print edition

On July 31st passengers on Delhi’s metro, one of India’s spiffiest bits of infrastructure and a symbol of its modernisation, felt their trains grind to a halt, some of them deep beneath India’s capital. They had to be evacuated. It was just one drama across the north and east of the country, home to over 600m people, half India’s population, where successive power cuts struck on July 30th and July 31st. Coal miners were trapped; traffic signals went blank, creating epic snarl-ups; hospitals lost power. Firms without backup diesel generators just had to go without.

By August 1st the grid was sparking back to life. But the blackouts will have a lasting effect. The grit of most Indians was on display: they did not start looting or killing each other. So was the magisterial arrogance of their rulers: “…this is not something new to us,” said the chairman of Power Grid Corporation, the state-owned body that runs the power-transmission network. “The country is in safe hands.”

As if parodying its legendary lack of grip, the government carried out a cabinet reshuffle in the midst of the blackouts, in which the main change was that the home minister, P. Chidambaran, became finance minister (again). Amazingly, the minister of power was promoted to home minister. A blame game began almost immediately as regional leaders, national politicians and officials tried to evade responsibility. Fairly or unfairly, the ruling Congress party is likely to be damaged most.

Beyond the poverty of politics in India, three problems loom large: the narrow fault that caused the blackouts; the wider crisis in India’s power sector; and the shoddy state of the country’s infrastructure, from roads to power stations, which is a brake on economic development.

On the first, the technical glitch, the best explanation is that some states used more than their quota of power from the national transmission network that links up India’s five regional grids. The extra demand may have reflected a disappointing monsoon that forced farmers to pump more water for their fields. In any case, it overburdened the system, causing a cascade of failures. To cut the burden, power plants were shut down, some automatically.

“It could have happened anywhere in the world,” argues one industry executive, who blames human error and the greediness of some states, not shoddy equipment. Others reckon that, despite a recent surge in investment, the transmission network is not up to scratch. “You’re talking about 40 or 50 years of underinvestment,” says Amish Shah of Credit Suisse, a bank.

The transmission network is not the only vulnerable part of the power supply chain, which is one giant bottleneck. Frequent minor blackouts are common. As a result most large firms, and even India’s airports, have backup generators or their own mini-power stations.

The pressure will only grow. Demand is expected roughly to double over the next decade as manufacturing output expands and more Indians buy televisions, computers and fridges. That prospect has led to a boom in private investment in new power stations—which should be one of India’s big success stories.

But the rest of the supply chain is rotten. Not enough coal is being dug up by the state monopolist, Coal India. Electricity still needs to be shifted around the country, from coal-rich states in the east to the industrial west —yet the transmission system is rickety, as the blackouts showed. Finally, power must be delivered down the “last mile” to homes and businesses. Most local distribution firms are state-owned and all but bankrupt, as politicians insist that tariffs stay low and that big swathes of the population, including farmers, get free power. Many Indians get away with simply stealing it.

Private-sector power plant firms are being squeezed by fuel shortages and by end-customers that are often financial zombies. As a result, says J.P. Chalasani, the boss of Reliance Power, a power-generating firm, “the big worry is that the industry starts cutting back on long-term investment in new plants.” Banks also face bad debts from projects that are no longer viable, so troubles in the power-supply business spread to the rest of the economy.

Despite these problems, the government has merely applied sticking plasters and tried to knock heads together. It has ducked fundamental reform, which would probably involve breaking up Coal India, privatising local distribution companies and installing new regulators with teeth. Its reluctance to shake up the power market is coming back to haunt it.

It is true that other parts of India’s infrastructure are in somewhat better shape. A vast effort has been made over the past decade to stiffen India’s economic backbone, and the results can be seen from a new airport in Delhi and a metro system in Bangalore to the availability of a mobile-phone signal almost everywhere.

Yet without electricity, the life blood of an economy, some of these things will not work—as Delhi’s commuters discovered. And there is no question that at least half a decade of government complacency and incompetence is beginning to hurt the private investment that India must rely on. Plenty of trophy projects, which involve experimental public-private partnerships are not making money and face uncertain rules. Another big industry, telecoms, is also in crisis, largely thanks to government graft and erratic regulation. Most economists reckon that India needs to invest a tenth of its GDP in infrastructure every year to sustain growth of 8% or more. Investment has probably slipped well below that. Now that the lights are back on, that is something really to worry about.

from the print edition | Asia
 
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Yaara this is a real issue but too many articles have been posted on the same and you are unlikely get any new responses.

Just so you know we are doing something about it, the same day we promoted our power minister to home minister, but not because of his stellar record as power minister, but as per his first acceptance speech, because he's a dalit.

He said he was not responsible for blackout because he's only a minister and not a technician. Similarly he will not be responsible for law and order because he's simply a minister and not a cop.

There, that ought to make you feel good about Zardari :P
 
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Yaara this is a real issue but too many articles have been posted on the same and you are unlikely get any new responses.

Just so you know we are doing something about it, the same day we promoted our power minister to home minister, but not because of his stellar record as power minister, but as per his first acceptance speech, because he's a dalit.

He said he was not responsible for blackout because he's only a minister and not a technician. Similarly he will not be responsible for law and order because he's simply a minister and not a cop.

There, that ought to make you feel good about Zardari :P

Well, this quote from the article is relevant to your reply:

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As if parodying its legendary lack of grip, the government carried out a cabinet reshuffle in the midst of the blackouts, in which the main change was that the home minister, P. Chidambaran, became finance minister (again). Amazingly, the minister of power was promoted to home minister.
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How is that effective at all in terms of "doing something about it"? :D
 
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Well, this quote from the article is relevant to your reply:



How is that effective at all in terms of "doing something about it"? :D

Hey VCheng, apropos the above and post#1, the Power Minister is rather irrelevant to the subject of discussion. The Power Minister (whoever it may be) is neither the cause nor the solution to the problems.

While Generating Capacity and Plant Load Factors are getting to be causes for concern, the genesis of this problem does not even lie there. More importantly it is related to T & D losses in some states that are going out of control. Plus coupled with the fact that (again) some states have a particularly profligate policy of doling out free or over-subsidised power to some political constituents e.g. agriculture. That is getting to be a bottomless pit now, because of which these states are wantonly over-drawing power from the Grid and sending all its technical parameters for "a Six". In this instance that is precisely what happened. Since the Centralised Grid was not rigid enough, it did not "throw the switch" on the offending State Power Utilities quckly enough. The Frequency dropped below levels of stability and the Cascading Trip occurred. Good that it happened, it and the public perception of it may serve to give a kick where it matters to the Political Panjandrums who have still to understand and treat Power as National Resource.

The Central Power Minister is only one of those, just as there are Power Ministers in each state, so now add that many Jokers to the Pack. Then again add the Politicians (of all hues) generally, and you'll nearly get a Pack-full of Jokers.

Of course, one must note that the States that have been more vigilant and efficient in their Power Management remained immune to the shut-down. But that is not the end of the matter.

Its more of a political policy matter than a technical one.
 
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Hey VCheng, apropos the above and post#1, the Power Minister is rather irrelevant to the subject of discussion. The Power Minister (whoever it may be) is neither the cause nor the solution to the problems.

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Its more of a political policy matter than a technical one.

Good point. The whole world will be watching the political resolve to improve the infrastructure if foreign investment is to continue in India, and just how effectively the policies are implemented.

Playing in the big leagues is not easy.
 
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Good point. The whole world will be watching the political resolve to improve the infrastructure if foreign investment is to continue in India, and just how effectively the policies are implemented.

Playing in the big leagues is not easy.

Of course not. There are no FREE LUNCHES. :D

There is still an ongoing tug-of-war between Policy and Populism in the Polity.
But hard landings always help to clear up vision (and thinking)!!
 
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Dude it's not gloomy every thing in India, yes there are issues but we have states which can inspire others - such us Gujarat

Power grid failure: Amid gloom, Gujarat sets an example

Power grid failure: Amid gloom, Gujarat sets an example - The Times of India

AHMEDABAD: A power surplus state with near 24-hour electricity supply not just in cities like Ahmedabad and Vadodara but in all the 18,000 villages. Now, the Gujarat government plans to further sharply increase power generation from 13,500 MW now to 18,000 MW by the end of the current year.

The Narendra Modi government was able to ensure almost 24 hour electricity supply, especially in villages, by implementing the Jyoti Gram project. Even the Government of India has accepted this as a flagship scheme for the 12th Five-Year plan (2012-17) for supplying round-the-clock, high-quality, three-phase power to all villages.

Commissioned in 2006, Jyoti Gram provides for a separate electric feeder for domestic use and a limited agricultural supply of nearly eight hours a day, continuous and of constant voltage. A recently released Planning Commission document, "Faster, Sustainable and More Inclusive Growth : An Approach to the 12th Five Year Plan", says "the separation of agricultural feeders" in the country will enable villages to get "24 X 7 three-phased power for domestic uses, schools, hospitals and village industries".

As for the farm pumpsets, which require more power, they can obtain "eight hours or more of quality power on a pre-announced schedule." The document underlines, "The programme of feeder separation has to be carried through across the country. Gujarat has achieved very good results by combining feeder separation with an extensive watershed programme for groundwater recharge. Punjab, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh have also moved forward in this direction. Feeder separation needs to be extended to all states, especially where groundwater is extensively used."

The Gujarat government spent Rs 1,200 crore to implement Jyoti Gram by separating 12,000 agricultural feeders from domestic feeders. It brought down transmission and distribution losses from 35 per cent five years ago to 15-19 per cent this year.

Already a power surplus state, Gujarat sold 5,105.43 million units (MUs) to other states last year earning a profit of Rs 1,888.53crore. Last year, the state had sold 5,105 million units to states like Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, Delhi and Maharashtra. This was approximately seven per cent of total power produced in the state — 68,710 MUs. According to minister of state for power, Saurabh Patel the government sold power at Rs 8.51 per unit to Rajasthan, at Rs 7.70 per unit to Maharashtra and 9.52 per unit to Delhi. By selling these surplus power, the government was giving Rs 3,000 crore as subsidy to farmers.

With new plants planned to come up, the situation would further improve. And, Gujarat is not just planning to have more imported coal and gas based power plants, but is also negotiating with the Government of India for a second ultra mega power plant (UMPP). There has been no looking back since 2004 when the state successfully unbundled the loss-making Gujarat Electricity Board (GEB) into smaller power utilities. Smaller set-ups improved efficiency - cutting T&D losses and better plant load factor - helping the firms to make profits.

Gujarat is making huge strides in energy sector and best example is the recently opened Gujarat Solar Park is the name used for a group of solar parks being constructed in Gujarat. Certificates of completion were issued on April 19, 2012 for a total of 605 MW, which included some sections that were already operational, and 669.4 MW has been completed by May 31, 2012, this solar Park is the Asia's largest...

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Electricity – total installed capacity of Pakistan: 19,505 MW (2007) - A single state in India Gujarat will be generating 18,000 MW Electricity by end of this year!!!...

India's total Electricity production from the renewable energy sources like windmill is 17644 MW!!! which is more then what-Pakistan produce from all energy source now!!!

Also a state called Tamil Nadu in India itself produce Electricity in renewable energy sources like windmill up to 4300 MW!!! So VCheng please stop worrying about India we have ways to come out of this current energy crises - India is not the one you think of 20 years back, we have come a long way and you are the one who is left behind!!!
 
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What VCheng has said in this thread is correct. But what I understand is this is the only way when reforms can happen in a populist country like India. Population needs to get their *** kicked to let developing policies take place. Maybe this model works for a democracy like India. China and India are different so their cases will also be different and their solutions different too. For Eg : We have seen in Gujrat how renewable sources are taking a kick start.
 
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Electricity – total installed capacity of Pakistan: 19,505 MW (2007) - A single state in Gujarat will be generating 18,000 MW Electricity by end of this year!!!...

India's total Electricity production from the renewable energy sources like windmill is 17644 MW!!! which is more then what-Pakistan produce from all energy source now!!!

Also a state called Tamil Nadu in India itself produce Electricity in renewable energy sources like windmill up to 4300 MW!!! So VCheng please stop worrying about India we have ways to come out of this current energy crises - India is not the one you think of 20 years back, we have come a long way and you are the one who is left behind!!!

Hey, give VCheng a break. He know as well as we do about India's achievements in the Electricity Power sector as he does about some of the problems that exist.

And if you need to get more info about Less conventional Energy Sources esp Nuclear Energy; ask VCheng. It will be worth your while. Seriously.
 
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Hey, give VCheng a break. He know as well as we do about India's achievements in the Electricity Power sector as he does about some of the problems that exist.

And if you need to get more info about Less conventional Energy Sources esp Nuclear Energy; ask VCheng. It will be worth your while. Seriously.

Amen to that.
 
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Don't worry your head about it mate, India is going to spend the equivlient of Pakistan's entire GDP ($250-300 BILLION) in the next 7-8 years on power infrastucture alone it increasing power generation but also upgrading exisiting infrastructure. In 10 years we'll look back and laugh at this, I hope same could be said of Pakistan and its infrastructure.
 
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