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India's growth estimate retained at 7.5% for 2015-16: World Bank

So because the NDA is doing better than the UPA that is okay bro? I don't like this constant comparison to the UPA- the NDA needs to be held to a higher standard otherwise they are being let off the hook to a large degree. Their entire election promise was entered around development so let's see them deliver- forget about UPA.


+ as an aside, one should remember that the last few years of the UPA 2's tenure have now seen their growth figures revised to far more positive figures. In this light the NDA are only performing marginally better.

I agree with you,on election day I didn't cast my vote for BJP thinking that finally I will get above-average performance. I voted for BJP to see fantastic,stupendous,amazing (you get the plot) performance so far only Railways,power & transport are delivering excellent performance.Rest are average & dibt even ask about health
 
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I agree with you,on election day I didn't cast my vote for BJP thinking that finally I will get above-average performance. I voted for BJP to see fantastic,stupendous,amazing (you get the plot) performance so far only Railways,power & transport are delivering excellent performance.Rest are average & dibt even ask about health
Well said.

Expectations were heightened yet further by the historic majority the NDA achieved, this should have allowed a meritocracy to be implemented in the cabinet to create a government that was performing on all fronts but so far most ministries have performed so so (with the aforementioned expectations).
 
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So because the NDA is doing better than the UPA that is okay bro? I don't like this constant comparison to the UPA- the NDA needs to be held to a higher standard otherwise they are being let off the hook to a large degree. Their entire election promise was entered around development so let's see them deliver- forget about UPA.

We can't simply forget UPA, because the massive economic problems especially on the fiscal side are inherited from them.

So when people are complaining why isn't the growth 10%+ yet like there is some magic wand that BJP can wave within one year...we are forced to bring in UPA to put some context of why the current situation (recovery) will persist for maybe a few more years.

+ as an aside, one should remember that the last few years of the UPA 2's tenure have now seen their growth figures revised to far more positive figures. In this light the NDA are only performing marginally better.

Sheer yearly growth figures are meaningless. When you look at the whole term of UPA, not only was the magnitude of growth less, its quality of growth was quite "top-heavy" (explains why it was that sensitive to the global recession). It was completely a story of India losing steam as far as giving more opportunities to its low income citizens so they can become middle income....no major reforms were done, spending was just tweaked while the fiscal deficit was allowed to run away....and its containment was merely put as a "target" by Chidambaram which I doubt they would have met in any meaningful way if they won 2014 LS elections.

Their only social program of note to try to shore up the lower class was the NREGA, a social scheme that basically is a glorified "great leap forward" sort of program. Sounds good on paper but in reality the spending is often wasted/pilfered and the results have high variance in relevance and quality when they are accomplished.

Compare this to the MUDRA bank program, PDS rationalisation, continuation of NREGA but with more skill and agri-infrastructure focus and a drive to increase main produce minimum support prices in the long term....and I am more confident the growth of India under the entirety of BJP's current term will be way more "low-base" oriented while not drastically curtailing the middle and higher base growth in the name of "balance" like UPA did. The biggest thing I think that will have relevance are the ITI centers for skilling who's impact we will be seeing only years from now, as well as how much of the ambitious target laid about by Modi is met:

PM Modi Launches Skill India Initiative That Aims to Train 40 Crore People

Admission surge: As India Inc adopts ITIs, students make a beeline | The Indian Express

A 21% y.o.y increase in admission with greater private industrial partnership is good no matter how you look at it. If that growth rate holds steady, there will be probably around 3 million people entering such skill training annually by the end of the first term of Modi.....though I expect and hope for even more than that. I'm guessing other programs come under the purview of the 400 million target....but needless to say its an ambitious one....but quite reflective of where Modi wants to take this country....and not put all the eggs in the "top heavy" growth + taxing that to spend on "social" direct employment of questionable utility while ignoring the long term fiscal viability of such a model (when subsidies are left to just keep growing recklessly).
 
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That's cool.
How can India achieve it despite the sluggish world economy?

There are massive amounts of inherent potential that are slowly being tapped/unleashed, that are not very reliant on global conditions. Better global conditions will only add to this.
 
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There are massive amounts of inherent potential that are slowly being tapped/unleashed, that are not very reliant on global conditions. Better global conditions will only add to this.
Sure.I have already known it.
But how?
 
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Sure.I have already known it.
But how?

OK here are some examples (short term that have materialised in just one year):

a) Fiscal discipline + rationalisation: Indian budget deficit is now lower and subsidies have been reduced. This means fewer resources are taken out of Indian economy to spend on somewhat wasteful things (like Subsidies to rich farmers). The subsidies that remain are better targetted towards people that need it. This allows more wider growth at a micro (more money in more low income people's hands so they have more margin to consume and even start business) and macro level (less overall extraction from the Indian economy and newer loans that will add negative economic weight in short and long term).

b) Inflation control: This allowed a decrease of interest rates. This allows consumption and business expansion to not be as constrained as before (especially loan sensitive).

c) Bureaucratic reforms: Appointments of officers in govt departments are no longer suffering as much from nepotism and corruption compared to before:

#Modi1: How the PM dismantled the transfer-posting industry

This allows better technocratic decisions and dept efficiency, as the culture permeates. This has been very noticeable in power, coal and transport so far.

d) Focus on more private - public partnering. This unleashes more creative talent and private resource for large govt training programs. Refer to: Admission surge: As India Inc adopts ITIs, students make a beeline | The Indian Express

e) Better Business ease (domestic): Setting up a business is much more simplified today, especially for poor/middle income people. From world bank report:

In May 2015 the government adopted amendments to the Companies Act that eliminated the minimum capital requirement. Now Indian entrepreneurs no longer need to deposit 100,000 Indian rupees ($1,629)—equivalent to 111% of income per capita—in order to start a local limited liability company. The amendments also ended the requirement to obtain a certificate to commence business operations, saving business founders an unnecessary step and five days. Several other initiatives to simplify the start-up process were still ongoing on June 1, 2015, the cutoff date for this year’s data collection.

Source: India's 12 Point Jump In World Bank's Ease Of Biz Report Isn't Quite Correct

f) Banking scheme of getting everyone in India to have a bank account. This will help in getting govt spending on their welfare directly to them without having to go through many middlemen. Again this helps efficiency and counters wastage/pilfering/corruption.

g) Reforms in general at state level for now. These include land, labour, skill development, agriculture. All dealing with simplifying hire/fire, knowledge and skill spread and access to microcredit etc.

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These (a to g) are the ones that have the maximum DOMESTIC, quite non-related correlation to global economy, baseline "reform" that helps to direct the energies of the Indian people in improving themselves financially even in the short term. It is also important to note they are ongoing and their full impact will be seen in the years to come. I may have forgotten some that others can add.

They all have long term effects too and there are many points that I have avoided that are only long term (related to education, federal land acquisition reforms, GST, tax reform along with Make in India manufacturing focus and Smart Cities) because the legal, political and economic process of those are just starting....so you wont see the effect from them in what you are asking here.
 
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OK here are some examples (short term that have materialised in just one year):

a) Fiscal discipline + rationalisation: Indian budget deficit is now lower and subsidies have been reduced. This means fewer resources are taken out of Indian economy to spend on somewhat wasteful things (like Subsidies to rich farmers). The subsidies that remain are better targetted towards people that need it. This allows more wider growth at a micro (more money in more low income people's hands so they have more margin to consume and even start business) and macro level (less overall extraction from the Indian economy and newer loans that will add negative economic weight in short and long term).

b) Inflation control: This allowed a decrease of interest rates. This allows consumption and business expansion to not be as constrained as before (especially loan sensitive).

c) Bureaucratic reforms: Appointments of officers in govt departments are no longer suffering as much from nepotism and corruption compared to before:

#Modi1: How the PM dismantled the transfer-posting industry

This allows better technocratic decisions and dept efficiency, as the culture permeates. This has been very noticeable in power, coal and transport so far.

d) Focus on more private - public partnering. This unleashes more creative talent and private resource for large govt training programs. Refer to: Admission surge: As India Inc adopts ITIs, students make a beeline | The Indian Express

e) Better Business ease (domestic): Setting up a business is much more simplified today, especially for poor/middle income people. From world bank report:

In May 2015 the government adopted amendments to the Companies Act that eliminated the minimum capital requirement. Now Indian entrepreneurs no longer need to deposit 100,000 Indian rupees ($1,629)—equivalent to 111% of income per capita—in order to start a local limited liability company. The amendments also ended the requirement to obtain a certificate to commence business operations, saving business founders an unnecessary step and five days. Several other initiatives to simplify the start-up process were still ongoing on June 1, 2015, the cutoff date for this year’s data collection.

Source: India's 12 Point Jump In World Bank's Ease Of Biz Report Isn't Quite Correct

f) Banking scheme of getting everyone in India to have a bank account. This will help in getting govt spending on their welfare directly to them without having to go through many middlemen. Again this helps efficiency and counters wastage/pilfering/corruption.

g) Reforms in general at state level for now. These include land, labour, skill development, agriculture. All dealing with simplifying hire/fire, knowledge and skill spread and access to microcredit etc.

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These (a to g) are the ones that have the maximum DOMESTIC, quite non-related correlation to global economy, baseline "reform" that helps to direct the energies of the Indian people in improving themselves financially even in the short term. It is also important to note they are ongoing and their full impact will be seen in the years to come. I may have forgotten some that others can add.

They all have long term effects too and there are many points that I have avoided that are only long term (related to education, federal land acquisition reforms, GST, tax reform along with Make in India manufacturing focus and Smart Cities) because the legal, political and economic process of those are just starting....so you wont see the effect from them in what you are asking here.
Good for u:cheers:
I hope I can see great India when I travel there.
What the defination of smart city,I knew India has 90+ ?
 
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I hope I can see great India when I travel there.

You will see good and bad when you are there. A Work in progress as they say. Its not as bad as the haters like to portray, its not as good as the ultra-patriots paint it sometimes....somewhere in between with high variance....also depends where you go.

What the defination of smart city,I knew India has 90+ ?

Few of the cities currently right now are "smart". The two I know that have actually begun are one in Gujarat known as "Gujarat International Finance Tec-City" or GIFT which will be a new CBD alternative for the capital of that state....and also Amaravati which will be a new capital for another state...near to a big existing city (and will "merge" eventually like say Tokyo-Yokohama or Shanghai-Suzhou).

You are right there are supposed to be 100 "identified" smart cities (i.e plans/objectives) by 2017 and they will follow the same model of these 2 where you develop a new city outside the old one to take the pressure off the old one...and then you can more easily/sustainably develop the old one to the same standards.

It's basically creating room/infra/facilities in a new area with the latest types of technology from the ground up (to be more environmentally sustainable and hi-tech enabled etc...) so that the old infrastructure can be upgraded more smoothly to this level as well.

How fast this goes is very dependent on India's economic growth and foreign interest...so it is quite long term.
 
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You are right there are supposed to be 100 "identified" smart cities (i.e plans/objectives) by 2017 and they will follow the same model of these 2 where you develop a new city outside the old one to take the pressure off the old one...and then you can more easily/sustainably develop the old one to the same standards.
China too has this plan.
100 cities,by 2020.:cheers:


You will see good and bad when you are there. A Work in progress as they say. Its not as bad as the haters like to portray, its not as good as the ultra-patriots paint it sometimes....somewhere in between with high variance....also depends where you go.
Where u think r suitable for me?
 
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Where u think r suitable for me?

I guess it depends. There is the established tourist route of Delhi - Agra - Jaipur the "Tourist triangle" (where you can see the Taj Mahal and various other great architectural wonders and forts). Well established, can be premium or budget.

Another good route that has developed is in the South between Kerala and Tamil Nadu (where I'm originally from). Kerala has many nice cultural dances and places, many nice backwaters with row boats, resorts and spas and good wildlife areas. Tamil Nadu is the land of temples and culture...also some very nice varied geography from high mountains and tea plantations to coastline beaches and green farms.

Goa is another beach/coastline area that you can combine with say Bombay/Gujarat (west coast cities and cultural/historic areas)

South India is quite popular nowadays for foreign tourists. An example of one of many youtube videos of a trip to give a synopsis of what South India is like (it used to not be as well known as the original Northern Tourist Triangle...so it is still somewhat offbeat and undiscovered...but in my opinion some of the nicest places and people).:


Text is in French, but you can get the general idea.

There are many blogs and websites and youtube channels that can give you more information, depending on what you prefer personality wise/budget wise.

I would recommend using the budget airlines to get between cities in India for long distance trips....and you can try the trains for shorter distance if you are more adventurous :D.
 
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Good for u:cheers:
I hope I can see great India when I travel there.
What the defination of smart city,I knew India has 90+ ?
You better wear a lot of clothes when you go there, for obvious reasons. Also drink only bottled water and only stay at a five star hotel (which is equivalent to a three star hotel in the west).
 
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