India’s future: World biggest market won’t let you in. World second market won’t let competitors in

[Bengal71]

This is Gold.

India has shown its hand 20-30 years too early... and her neighbours wont forget even if there is a new govt in power in delhi..for 10 trillion dollar GDP or superpower. India will be cut down to size long before those dreams come to fruititon.

Sad. Nehru is crying in the afterlife .

Not really referring to it's relationship with it's neighbors. The issue is a serious conflict between two juggernauts, one is the current superpower, the other being a rising superpower. It does not matter who wins the cold war, what matters is what will happen to India after it concludes? If the Chinese win, then the Indians will be in deep trouble. If the Americans win, India won't gain much. The westerners use other countries to do their bidding and once done they dispose them off like disposables. If India's goal is to be a superpower one day and if America defeats China in this round of cold war, they will simply turn their guns towards India. They won't tolerate anybody replacing them.

 

[kankan326]

I do not think India wants Chinese investment. They want foreign countries to buy Indian goods and services. Of all countries India distrust foreign investors.

Plus I see no evidence that China can do that. We can gone over this before. Show me a single country that has benefited from Chinese investments

$100 billion is not a reward to attack China. Your short sighted pea-brained mind looks at it that way. It is money paid for engineering services rendered.

Kenya, Rwanda, Ethiopia, all benifited a lot from Chinese investments. China is good at infrastructure, power, which are what India urgently needs. India needs more infrastructure constructions rather than your IT investments.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Not really referring to it's relationship with it's neighbors. The issue is a serious conflict between two juggernauts, one is the current superpower, the other being a rising superpower. It does not matter who wins the cold war, what matters is what will happen to India after it concludes? If the Chinese win, then the Indians will be in deep trouble. If the Americans win, India won't gain much. The westerners use other countries to do their bidding and once done they dispose them off like disposables. If India's goal is to be a superpower one day and if America defeats China in this round of cold war, they will simply turn their guns towards India. They won't tolerate anybody replacing them.

Exactly. whoever win between CHina or USA, will simply play the fault line created by modi, and this will disintegrate india.

As I said, india has played its card 20-30 years too early.

 

[Bengal71]

Exactly. whoever win between CHina or USA, will simply play the fault line created by modi, and this will disintegrate india.

As I said, india has played its card 20-30 years too early.

Not sure about it's disintegration but either of the following scenarios may play out.

1. China wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India is furcked.
2. America wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India will be used as the new cheap labor factory of the world, it will be tolerated until it reaches (if ever) the same status of China today, the crosshair will be on them then.

It could be a very good decision for India to stay neutral and benefit from the trade and commerce from both China and America. There can be superpower ambitions, nothing wrong with that, but what India displaying now is just delusion, delusion can be harmful, even fatal.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Not sure about it's disintegration but either of the following scenarios may play out.

1. China wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India is furcked.
2. America wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India will be used as the new cheap labor factory of the world, it will be tolerated until it reaches (if ever) the same status of China today, the crosshair will be on them then.

It could be a very good decision for India to stay neutral and benefit from the trade and commerce from both China and America. There can be superpower ambitions, nothing wrong with that, but what India displaying now is just delusion, delusion can be harmful, even fatal.

It has already reached a fatal stage...

 

[kankan326]

Not sure about it's disintegration but either of the following scenarios may play out.

1. China wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India is furcked.
2. America wins while India fully joined the US camp against China - India will be used as the new cheap labor factory of the world, it will be tolerated until it reaches (if ever) the same status of China today, the crosshair will be on them then.

It could be a very good decision for India to stay neutral and benefit from the trade and commerce from both China and America. There can be superpower ambitions, nothing wrong with that, but what India displaying now is just delusion, delusion can be harmful, even fatal.

Saddly most Indians believe US attacked Chinese companies because China is not a democratic country.

 

[Chhatrapati]

India can never become as big as China and USA because of fundamental flawed society.

India had no problem adding a trillion dollars in 5-10 years, there will not be a problem for further rise. Your idea of India is more of a biased, lapped up PDF/military-fanboys perspective that still dreams of India splitting into n different countries which is not going to happen because of the understanding that, together we rise, divided we fall. Indian states are interdependent on each other with the establishment of each trade corridors inside India this idea is only getting reaffirmed.

But what they are doing now (siding with america directly against China) is a historic blunder. Whether the Americans or the Chinese win this cold war, India will be a looser. The best course of action for them was to keep good ties with both America and China and try to solve border disputes with China through dialogue as mus as possible.

We have no problem with siding with anyone as long as we get more investment and less Chinese influence. Historically, no country has lost (with the exception of Pakistan for obvious reasons) siding with the US. In contrast, Communists (with the exception of Vietnam who are smart enough to replicate the Chinese) have lost and are still losing around the world simply because of their views.

There is no point in being on the good side of Chinese, tell me a country Chinese have helped so much that they are now in a better place than before? Cambodia, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela or African countries? All of them have something in common, huge corruption.

 

[Rajputana_]

As I said earlier, the best choice for India is not making choice between China and US. Since India had sided with US to contain China. India’s future is something we can foresee now.

1, Considering what India did and is doing to Chinese products now, if someday made-in-India are more competitive, China will restrict India goods entering China. Yes, India has already lost world biggest market before it has the capability to compete in world market.

2, The second biggest market, America. USA is actually a company under the cover of a country. It’s more like modern version of East India Company, an armed business organization. US hates competitions, especially in critical areas. Chinese companies, like Huawei and about a hundred other high tech Chinese companies, research institutions are already in US Entities List. I heard DJI and BYD will be banned by US soon. China only banned social media entering China. Never banned any goods. US bans everything.

China was not first one hit by US because Chinese companies are too competitive. Remember how Japanese semiconductor industry was destroyed by US? Unless the companies are sold to to American companies or controlled by America(like TSMC, Samsung, ASML), you can not avoid US punishment. Yes. By siding with US, India has lost the chance of having independent Indian high tech companies before it has any.

This doesn’t only apply to India. US set a glass ceiling for all countries. You can sell cloths to US. You can sell toys to US. You can sell TV to US. You can sell cars to US. But US will never allow you to touch critical industries. China is an exception. Because China has the gut to challenge US.

I take this is coming from a ccp bot, so now you have to grovel to India?
Way to go man

 

[kankan326]

India had no problem adding a trillion dollars in 5-10 years, there will not be a problem for further rise. Your idea of India is more of a biased, lapped up PDF/military-fanboys perspective that still dreams of India splitting into n different countries which is not going to happen because of the understanding that, together we rise, divided we fall. Indian states are interdependent on each other with the establishment of each trade corridors inside India this idea is only getting reaffirmed.

We have no problem with siding with anyone as long as we get more investment and less Chinese influence. Historically, no country has lost (with the exception of Pakistan for obvious reasons) siding with the US. In contrast, Communists (with the exception of Vietnam who are smart enough to replicate the Chinese) have lost and are still losing around the world simply because of their views.

There is no point in being on the good side of Chinese, tell me a country Chinese have helped so much that they are now in a better place than before? Cambodia, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela or African countries? All of them have something in common, huge corruption.

Most present developed countries were already developed before world war 2. So basically there is nothing to do with siding with US.

South Korea was almost bankrupted because of Wall Street robbery in 1997. It could recover because China opened its market to S.Korea. China has been S.Korea biggest market since then. If there was no China's market, there wouldn't be today's S.Korea. You dare to say China only help poor countries?

 

[Bengal71]

India had no problem adding a trillion dollars in 5-10 years, there will not be a problem for further rise. Your idea of India is more of a biased, lapped up PDF/military-fanboys perspective that still dreams of India splitting into n different countries which is not going to happen because of the understanding that, together we rise, divided we fall. Indian states are interdependent on each other with the establishment of each trade corridors inside India this idea is only getting reaffirmed.

We have no problem with siding with anyone as long as we get more investment and less Chinese influence. Historically, no country has lost (with the exception of Pakistan for obvious reasons) siding with the US. In contrast, Communists (with the exception of Vietnam who are smart enough to replicate the Chinese) have lost and are still losing around the world simply because of their views.

There is no point in being on the good side of Chinese, tell me a country Chinese have helped so much that they are now in a better place than before? Cambodia, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela or African countries? All of them have something in common, huge corruption.

The bold part is correct. At least correct for countries like South Korea and Japan. But they do not have any superpower or even a great power ambition. They are happy to have a good life in an advanced and prosperous country while being a poodle o the Americans. Your ambition is however different, you want to be superpower, if not soon, in the long run. If they Chinese are defeated, you may be in good terms with the Americans and enjoy a prosperous future but the moment they detect your superpower ambitions you will face what the Chinese are facing now.

And I never said you should side with the Chinese.

 

[Bengal71]

It has already reached a fatal stage...

If your judgement says that then yo are entitled to your opinion. As for me I think there are simply too many variables to reach a conclusion like that as of now.

 

[MM_Haider]

Pakistan sided with USA and learned the lesson hard way.. it is time for India to learn the lesson!! go on

 

[Chhatrapati]

The bold part is correct. At least correct for countries like South Korea and Japan. But they do not have any superpower or even a great power ambition. They are happy to have a good life in an advanced and prosperous country while being a poodle o the Americans. Your ambition is however different, you want to be superpower, if not soon, in the long run. If they Chinese are defeated, you may be in good terms with the Americans and enjoy a prosperous future but the moment they detect your superpower ambitions you will face what the Chinese are facing now.

And I never said you should side with the Chinese.

Japan and SK? Man almost all the countries in South Asia are dependent on the US and the west. Chinese bring nothing to the table, their only aim is to kill our local industries and sell their commodity. Much like the East India Company did in India.

I get your point, but India didn't side with the US or USSR because neither of them was a direct threat to our integrity, unlike the Chinese.

 

[The Accountant]

India had no problem adding a trillion dollars in 5-10 years, there will not be a problem for further rise. Your idea of India is more of a biased, lapped up PDF/military-fanboys perspective that still dreams of India splitting into n different countries which is not going to happen because of the understanding that, together we rise, divided we fall. Indian states are interdependent on each other with the establishment of each trade corridors inside India this idea is only getting reaffirmed.

We have no problem with siding with anyone as long as we get more investment and less Chinese influence. Historically, no country has lost (with the exception of Pakistan for obvious reasons) siding with the US. In contrast, Communists (with the exception of Vietnam who are smart enough to replicate the Chinese) have lost and are still losing around the world simply because of their views.

There is no point in being on the good side of Chinese, tell me a country Chinese have helped so much that they are now in a better place than before? Cambodia, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela or African countries? All of them have something in common, huge corruption.

Where do u live ? Can i get similar sentiments from north east india from like of assam?
From muslims and christians ?
From many parts of south india ?

My views can be biased but history is not. India was never a country in past. External forces created a countty by force. Whole world is interlink so will they become a single country

 

[Bengal71]

Japan and SK? Man almost all the countries in South Asia are dependent on the US and the west. Chinese bring nothing to the table, their only aim is to kill our local industries and sell their commodity. Much like the East India Company did in India.

I get your point, but India didn't side with the US or USSR because neither of them was a direct threat to our integrity, unlike the Chinese.

Labeling China the East India company and labeling the west favorably would be foolish IMO. After all the East India company was created by the west to start with LOL.

India did not side in the past which is why I called India's past foreign policy wise. But in the current conflict between US and China, you have clearly and blatantly taken a side, there is no two ways about it. I am just not very optimistic that either of the outcomes (China lose or US lose) will be beneficial for you. I am of the opinion that remaining totally neutral and indifferent in this conflict would have been a wiser move. Having said that it's just my opinion and I have given my reasoning for that, I could be wrong though. Let's wait and see what happens, I think this conflict will not drag on for many decades like the US-USSR one, it will conclude rather quickly. So we will find out soon.