India's First Scorpène-Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarine INS Kalvari Rolled Out!

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
06-April, 2015 17:58 IST
First of Scorpene Submarines-Kalvari ‘Undocked’

Major Milestone for Indian Navy’s Project 75

MDL Has A Critical Role to Play in Navy’s Future Plans: Manohar Parrikar

Kalvari, first of the Indian Navy’s Scorpene class stealth submarines being built under the Project 75, under collaboration with M/s DCNS, France, achieved a major milestone today with her ‘undocking’ at the Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL).

The event was witnessed by the Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar, the Chief Minister of Maharashtra Shri Devendra Fadnavis and the Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral RK Dhowan amongst other dignitaries present at the landmark occasion.

Addressing the staff and workers at a glittering ceremony at the Eastman yard, Shri Parrikar urged them “to strive towards making the yard a globally renowned one and to play a critical role in Indian Navy’s goal of becoming a true Blue water Navy”. The project 75 which has already seen a delay of almost 40 months has now been brought on track and the delivery schedule for the successive submarines have been reduced. Shri Parrikar asked the defence public sector yards viz. Mazagon Docks Limited and Goa shipyard to double their production in the coming three years.

Shri Parrikar said as far as P75(I) Project is concerned, private players can also be invited for joint venture which would help early fruition of the project. He warned that if the project is not completed in the stipulated time, the defaulting yard would have to pay penalty but an early completion would be rewarded with a bonus. He also asked MDL to take a lead in the skill development of local unemployed youth.

With a name steeped in the long and glorious tradition of its illustrious predecessor, an erstwhile Russian ‘Foxtrot’ class submarine, Kalvari, upon its scheduled commissioning in 2016, would lend an enormous fillip to the Indian Navy’s underwater capability. The remaining five boats of the Project 75 would be delivered by the yard to the Navy by 2020 and would form the core of the Navy’s submarine arm for the next two decades.

The Scorpene submarines would pack a potent punch. She would be equipped with anti-ship missiles and long range guided torpedoes alongwith modern sensor suite.

After having delivered two Shishumar class submarines in the early nineties, the event further highlights MDL’s position as the premier submarine building yard for the Indian Navy. From a small dry dock built to service ships of the East India Company, MDL today is at the forefront of warship construction with the P 15 B class destroyers and P 17 A class stealth frigates being the latest. As the exclusive public sector shipyard manufacturing submarines in the country, Project 75 marks a critical milestone in the Yard’s continued relevance asa defence public sector undertaking constructing submarines.

The Scorpene submarines are the precursor to the Navy of tomorrow and their induction into the Navy justifies the Indian Navy’s credo of “Glorious wake, Vibrant future.”

 

[Matrixx]

Nice sub ... weird paint job !!!

Dimensions ?

India still need to learn paint job

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Actually that bit is confusing me. What i understand is that there are three berths for assembly and the fourth one will take the one vacated by first vessel (Kalvari). Now if the subsequent vessels will be launched in gaps of 6 months, that means the fourth one (assuming the work on its assembly starts immediately), will be launched 18 months from now (sometime in late 2016), essentially they would've completed one new sub in 18 months. This time period looks too small (i may be wrong here and it could be that they have completed the work on modules (the one you have referred to as cells in above post), cutting down some work). but still to assemble all systems, test them and getting all ready in 18 months, looks a very short duration.

I guess this is the assembly line . Parts are being manufacturers at L&T

LOL, Chakra's are quieter than NATO subs and carry a weapons compliment to flatten an entire CBG - old tech my foot. Scorpene is a new boat with shitty weapons. Unless India figures out an alternative to the Exocet that we can use, its pretty useless and cant be used for anything more than torpedo wars.

Brahmos Mini naval version can be fired from torpedoes tubes. These submarines are for guarding our waters and offensive against Pakistan . For SCS and entire IoR region we will have to wait for bigger and more powerful P75I and SSN

A Submarine of Scorpene class could not launch swarming attacks required to kill Type-055 or Type-052D destroyer anyway , on its own.So why bother?

You need a SSN or a surface ship to launch swarming attacks. Scorpene is more suited to kill unarmed merchant ships and Pakistani ships which barring 3 new F-22D frigates does not have a decent AA capability.

What !!!!! AGAIN what !!!! Is your destroyers has defensive system under the hull ? To withstand salvos or 1 ton torpedoes ?
Your nuclear subs are too noisy like a tractor

These are Advanced super stealth submarines which uses Advanced Nuclear power stealth technology . Now go and search for Black Shark heavy weight torpedoes than fancy dress costumes talks . These submarines will be used for creating chock points to deny any access for your Ships to pass thru. PLA will have hard time in just spotting the INS Kalvari

Thats why is said, the scorpene will work for offence against Pakistani subs, but really does not have the teeth to fight Chinese subs or surface fleets.

Subsonic means outdated for todays CIWS that are capable of shooting down supersonic anti ship missiles with countermeasures and maneuvering terminal stages. The Exocet has none of these.

Having dissed the scorpene, all hope is not lost. Over the next decade the IN has to find alternate weapons systems to make this boat worth the tall sticker price. We have to replace the Exocet with a more capable anti ship missile (maybe the bramhos mini may fit the bill if it is made compact enough)

Check my previous post . for Naval Blockade or Setting up chock points by denying access to other vessels . These are super stealth submarines which increases it's detection capabilities than what PN or PLAN currently posses. It can carry 18 heavyweight torpedoes or mines or missiles . In future the under development Brahmos mini naval version can be fired from torpedo tubes. Which make this the most dangerous silent killers of IOR and in some point SCS .

 

[magudi]

fanboys of 'do-nothing' minister!!

Antony did nothing as a defence minister, other than signing some documents and allowing few purchases. This is not the role of a defence minister.

Atleast Antony was Secular

 

[Kinetic]

Atleast Antony was Secular

Yes, thats more than enough to become def min of India.

 

[lasttry]

SSN does not need AIP. Where has I stated otherwise?

What I stated was that India could be looking to procure some critical submarine tech in guise of ToT which it could use in its SSN project.

I re-read your post and it was not very clear, so I comprehended it as AIP for SSN.

Amur has two variants; one with VLS (Amur-950) another with AIP (Amur-1650).

It is not possible to fit both VLS and AIP in same Amur as they occupy same compartment in Amur's design.

Sorry, you are wrong. AIP was offered along with VLS as a hull extension option. I am not willing to search for those details, if interested, you will find them online.

Kilo would not survive long at snorkeling depth in SCS and would not make pass PLAN's anti-Sub screen. They do not have capability to remain submerged for longer period, their stealth is outdated, and worst thing is that China knows them inside out which also include Sonar signature.

Well, I dont want to comment on whether they will escape chinese defence or not. All I said was they have enough firepower and range to clip hainan. also no one is saying do a 6000 km trip at snorkeling depth. the captain of the sub would know what depth to maintain in which waters. why are we going into operational situations? Unless you are trying to say that Indian Kilos were never meant for offensive roles against PLAN, you dont have an argument. And to categorically say that we do not have such a doctrine, you must be from the IN sub fleet. In which case you just committed treason by stating it online. you see where I am going with this.

let us just stick to known capabilities in terms of weapons systems and range. and not unknown ideas about doctrines and whether a doctrine will succeed.

 

[temp1994]

What !!!!! AGAIN what !!!! Is your destroyers has defensive system under the hull ? To withstand salvos or 1 ton torpedoes ?
Your nuclear subs are too noisy like a tractor

These are Advanced super stealth submarines which uses Advanced Nuclear power stealth technology . Now go and search for Black Shark heavy weight torpedoes than fancy dress costumes talks . These submarines will be used for creating chock points to deny any access for your Ships to pass thru. PLA will have hard time in just spotting the INS Kalvari

The discussion was about Anti-Ship missiles, not torpedoes. It is completely correct that Submarines (at least SSK) does not have capability to simultaneously launch 30-40 AShCM required to overwhelm Enemy's AA capability. Only a destroyer or Cruiser could do that.

And regarding noise of SSNs.

Diesel submarines are quieter than SSNs/SSBNs only when they are lying in wait with their Engines shut off. When they are operating on Diesel Engine, they are noisier than SSNs/SSBNs.

And noisy SSN/SSBN is a troupe of past. Recently a French and a British SSN collided because they could not detect each other. Their stealth capability superseded their detection capability.

 

[IND151]

Black Shark Torpedo is one of the best if not the best available .

VA-111 Shkval is best acording to many.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

If you need a punch instead of stealth then why you need submarine ?
You can use destroyer for it which carry several time more punch.

Well said .... People are going over board by forgetting one fact that this SSK is been selected our Indian Navy. While selecting Scorpene they must have had clear road map for the operation carried out by these subs . All here just want see AIP and VSL . But the fact is its a stealth submarine not SSN to sail from India to China . These are to guard our waters and creating Naval Blockade or Anti Submarine Warfare . To take on surface fleet of PLAN we have 2 AC , surface fleets which are armed with powerful radar and missiles .

Size might be small but it has its own advantages of comfortable handling with 9 crew members operating with total crew of 30/31 !!! KALVARI has additional space for 6-8 special task forces for covert missions . Due it's small size and advanced SSN stealth technology involved in building this SUB probability of getting lock on enemy submarines before they can . Since the loading is being automatic and total capacity to carry 18 - 1 t heavy weight torpedos it can sneak in and take out large destroyers and tankers other than hunting down submarine with ease . Great Addition to our IN . This is super stealth and can be used for patrolling IOR region . Where it can anytime float out recharge and again continue its duty . So don't care about criticism on Scorpene . Neither PN nor Chinese posses anything closer to KALVARI .

The question is not who selected Scorpene, but why? The German U214 offer, was reportedly cheaper, included AIP and might had been easier, since we have similar subs in the fleet and produced them under licence in the past. But would we have got the same level of ToT? Doubtful, since the French are known to be more open to ToT of critical techs. Were techs for our nuclear sub development part of the deal? Could be. Was the fact that the French allowed DRDO to integrate an own AIP a factor? Possible, since the French AIP wasn't ready back then, it might had opened an option to negotiate in favour for the DRDO system.
So while it's bad for the operational side of IN, the deal might had some important points for the industry. The only sad thing is, that we waste all the know how we gained so, if we don't go for a follow Scorpene order or an own SSK development and may start from scratch again, by having to set up infrastructure and a know how base at a new ship yard, possibly even of a different type of sub.

Well said ... I will be shattered if I don't hear good news from MoD . We need to go for 6 follow on or produce our own SSK . Get 1/2 country on board for investment and Co development . While we keep our phase and subs rolling out from P75I we will have enough time to start our own SSK production. When we can build Arihant , P75/75I why we can develop a SSK which can be fitted with DRDO AIP system . SO WE CAN SELL THEN TO VIETNAM , Singapore and other nations too.

Fingers crossed !!!!

Ministry of Defence
06-April, 2015 17:58 IST
First of Scorpene Submarines-Kalvari ‘Undocked’

Major Milestone for Indian Navy’s Project 75

MDL Has A Critical Role to Play in Navy’s Future Plans: Manohar Parrikar

Kalvari, first of the Indian Navy’s Scorpene class stealth submarines being built under the Project 75, under collaboration with M/s DCNS, France, achieved a major milestone today with her ‘undocking’ at the Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL).

The event was witnessed by the Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar, the Chief Minister of Maharashtra Shri Devendra Fadnavis and the Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral RK Dhowan amongst other dignitaries present at the landmark occasion.

Addressing the staff and workers at a glittering ceremony at the Eastman yard, Shri Parrikar urged them “to strive towards making the yard a globally renowned one and to play a critical role in Indian Navy’s goal of becoming a true Blue water Navy”. The project 75 which has already seen a delay of almost 40 months has now been brought on track and the delivery schedule for the successive submarines have been reduced. Shri Parrikar asked the defence public sector yards viz. Mazagon Docks Limited and Goa shipyard to double their production in the coming three years.

Shri Parrikar said as far as P75(I) Project is concerned, private players can also be invited for joint venture which would help early fruition of the project. He warned that if the project is not completed in the stipulated time, the defaulting yard would have to pay penalty but an early completion would be rewarded with a bonus. He also asked MDL to take a lead in the skill development of local unemployed youth.

With a name steeped in the long and glorious tradition of its illustrious predecessor, an erstwhile Russian ‘Foxtrot’ class submarine, Kalvari, upon its scheduled commissioning in 2016, would lend an enormous fillip to the Indian Navy’s underwater capability. The remaining five boats of the Project 75 would be delivered by the yard to the Navy by 2020 and would form the core of the Navy’s submarine arm for the next two decades.

The Scorpene submarines would pack a potent punch. She would be equipped with anti-ship missiles and long range guided torpedoes alongwith modern sensor suite.

After having delivered two Shishumar class submarines in the early nineties, the event further highlights MDL’s position as the premier submarine building yard for the Indian Navy. From a small dry dock built to service ships of the East India Company, MDL today is at the forefront of warship construction with the P 15 B class destroyers and P 17 A class stealth frigates being the latest. As the exclusive public sector shipyard manufacturing submarines in the country, Project 75 marks a critical milestone in the Yard’s continued relevance asa defence public sector undertaking constructing submarines.

The Scorpene submarines are the precursor to the Navy of tomorrow and their induction into the Navy justifies the Indian Navy’s credo of “Glorious wake, Vibrant future.”

MODI-FIED INDIA : DM warned that if the project is not completed in the stipulated time, the defaulting yard would have to pay penalty but an early completion would be rewarded with a bonus. He also asked MDL to take a lead in the skill development of local unemployed youth.

 

[Kinetic]

Ministry of Defence
06-April, 2015 17:58 IST
First of Scorpene Submarines-Kalvari ‘Undocked’



Shri Parrikar said as far as P75(I) Project is concerned, private players can also be invited for joint venture which would help early fruition of the project. He warned that if the project is not completed in the stipulated time, the defaulting yard would have to pay penalty but an early completion would be rewarded with a bonus. He also asked MDL to take a lead in the skill development of local unemployed youth.

Golden words.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

The discussion was about Anti-Ship missiles, not torpedoes. It is completely correct that Submarines (at least SSK) does not have capability to simultaneously launch 30-40 AShCM required to overwhelm Enemy's AA capability. Only a destroyer or Cruiser could do that.

And regarding noise of SSNs.

Diesel submarines are quieter than SSNs/SSBNs only when they are lying in wait with their Engines shut off. When they are operating on Diesel Engine, they are noisier than SSNs/SSBNs.

And noisy SSN/SSBN is a troupe of past. Recently a French and a British SSN collided because they could not detect each other. Their stealth capability superseded their detection capability.

You are completely missing my point . This Scorpene subs are incorporated with most advanced stealth characteristics inside and out . And even with the desiel engine running the nice and vibration of this class is very impressive .

SEE The planning and design of the Scorpene was directed towards achieving an extremely quiet vessel with a great detection capability and offensive power. When dived the Scorpene has low radiated noise which permits improved detection ranges of its own sensors and reduced risk of detection by hostile sensors. The low radiated noise is achieved through the use of advanced hydrodynamics with an albacore bow shape, with fewer appendages and an optimised propeller.The structure of the submarine uses high-yield stress-specific steel which allows for as many dives to maximum depth as necessary.

And you just gave example of Advanced stealth technology used in new nuclear subs to reduce the high vibration (noice) produced due to the Nuclear plant process. Now check this out :

Between the suspended decks, the equipment is mounted on elastic mountings wherever possible, and the noisiest systems have a double-elastic mounting to reduce the risk of their noise profiles being radiated outside the submarine. The shock-resistant systems have been developed from systems incorporated in advanced nuclear-powered submarine designs.
The low acoustic signature and hydrodynamic shock resistance give the Scorpene class the capability to carry out anti-submarine and anti-surface ship warfare operations in closed or open sea conditions, as well as the capability of working with special forces in coastal waters.

All living and operational areas are air-conditioned. The submarine also has space for six additional fold-down bunks for special operations crew.


It's like Comparing Su30 (Kilo) with Rafale (Scorpene) We need both the subs for various reasons . If a submarine can hunt down other submarines before the enemy spotted it has done it's duty As we lack basic submarine fleet to patrol our vast IOR

So we are on the right track This is very advanced stealth submarine we are taking about . Exocet might have 50 KM . But with this kind of stealth and flexibility can surface fleet kill a sub at 50 km range ? Which is literally invisible (with tactics mentioned for certain mission) and can easily vanish from the spot after sinking a surface fleet .

Can you explain how you will kill Scorpene at 50 Km range and which can submerge itself quickly as deep as 300-400 km ?

Golden words.

we can expect bigger hunters in very short period of time ... yeah I large numbera

 

[MilSpec]

Very satisfied that this finally came to fruition.

m.aviationweek.com/defense/india-plans-first-scorpene-submarine-induction-2015

So the delay was caused by the lack of know how of MDL to absorb the techs and provide the necessary infrastructure (which DCNS officials stated in interviews too) and the fact that we see the first sub being ready now, according to the plan from 2012 after the problems was solved, should make it obvious, that the project was monitored way before the new DM came in and that the new MoD had nothing to do with it.

As I keep telling you, it wasn't all as bad as you or the public might "think"! Indian forces are doing pretty good, important upgrades (fighters, subs, transport aircrafts, tanks) were done to keep the modernisation on going, plenty of additional procurements (at least for IAF and IN) were passed and even the right policies for getting the privat Indian industry in the game were initiated by him. So the current government took over from a more than decent level, which is also why, a year without any major procurement, didn't made Indian forces any weaker.
In fact, policy change to invite privat Indian partners, which is the base of the Make in India campaign in defence and the tougher stand against DRDO, were initiated by Antony and now thankfully followed by the NDA government.

Just as his blanket bans were a mistake, it's a mistake to generalize and say everything was bad.

Don't even go there, A.K Antony epitomizes spinelessness and yes-manship characteristic traits of congress "tattus". By far the WORST defence minister India could have gotten, (barring Mulayam Singh Yadav)

 

[Indian Jatt]

The Scorpenes and P-75I SSKs will be aimed at the PN and these vessels will keep the PN out of the picture, for the PLA(N) the IN is building up a fleet of SSNs to take the fight to the PLA(N) in the IOR in deep water (the SSKs will be kept close to Indian shores). As such the IN has about a decade to get its act together and get those SSNs churned out as the PLA(N) is in no position to start exerting itself in the IOR (a few showpiece deployments mean little but showcase an intent) and finally the GoI seems to have woken up to this news and has cleared a class of SSNs for the IN to be in service within a decade.

with all due respect sir, i would like to ask u one question,Will our SSN's be as quite as the soviet fourth gen submarines aka akula that we own????

 

[Kinetic]

Very satisfied that this finally came to fruition.



Don't even go there, A.K Antony epitomizes spinelessness and yes-manship characteristic traits of congress "tattus". By far the WORST defence minister India could have gotten, (barring Mulayam Singh Yadav)

There are signs of 'do-nothing' Antony are every where. He slowly poisoned the capabilities of our forces.



At long last there will be CDS
Sadly, the UPA-2 government sat on the task force's report for two years and rejected it just before its inglorious exit.
What an irony it is therefore that in the current discussions on the subject, the civilian bureaucracy of the Defence Ministry, a bane of the national security architecture, is arguing that instead of having a CDS the country should have a permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff. These “abominable no-men” are unlikely to get their way. For, instead of the do-nothing A. K. Antony a very decisive and doer Manohar Parrikar is the Defence Minister. Some of the decisions he has already taken had been hanging fire for close to a decade because to preserve his enviable image for probity, Antony did nothing throughout his eight-year tenure as Raksha Mantri.

 

[Abingdonboy]

had been hanging fire for close to a decade because to preserve his enviable image for probity, Antony did nothing throughout his eight-year tenure as Raksha Mantri.

This says it all really