India's first homegrown aircraft carrier set for 'launch'!

[illusion8]

Models of the IAC 1

 

[nutron star]

AT illusion8...mind blowing pics..thanks for the post

 

[damiendehorn]

We are a Navy based nation and we have a good ship building industry.

India has just completed the study and design requirements of IAC 2 which is well over 60000 tons and is a huge one.

The one which is about to go to sea trials is a tech demonstrator as well. when it comes to projects Our Navy strictly meets the deadline, the fast pace of induction done in the last decade confirms it.

I think the dead line will be met .....

I have to respectfully disagree on a few things, it is not the navy building the ships, it's the public sector naval yards and they have never completed projects on time or to budget. Each and every major defence project in India has had the same problem. It's a tendency of SAs to always promise more then they can deliver, look at how many naval projects are delayed, just one example the Kolkata destroyers, please read up when they were due for completion, as promised by the yard.

Now look at the complexity of the IAC, a carrier is degree of difficulty above even something as complex as a 7000 tonne multi role destroyer, so be realistic, your heart may want it by 2018 but listen to your head, 2020-2022 is more what we can expect.

 

[Srinivas]

I have to respectfully disagree on a few things, it is not the navy building the ships, it's the public sector naval yards and they have never completed projects on time or to budget. Each and every major defence project in India has had the same problem. It's a tendency of SAs to always promise more then they can deliver, look at how many naval projects are delayed, just one example the Kolkata destroyers, please read up when they were due for completion, as promised by the yard.

India is building ships which are in excess of 80000 tons our ship building industry has the capability.

You seem to lack the knowledge please go through the below video

IN and its acquisitions are is fast pace, kindly look into the acquisitions done by Indian Navy in the last decade and how many are home built.

Now look at the complexity of the IAC, a carrier is degree of difficulty above even something as complex as a 7000 tonne multi role destroyer, so be realistic, your heart may want it by 2018 but listen to your head, 2020-2022 is more what we can expect.

Indian shipyards are mastering modular ship building and they are also taking foreign tech help through JV's. We can handle complexities well.

 

[gslv mk3]

I have to respectfully disagree on a few things, it is not the navy building the ships, it's the public sector naval yards and they have never completed projects on time or to budget. Each and every major defence project in India has had the same problem. It's a tendency of SAs to always promise more then they can deliver, look at how many naval projects are delayed, just one example the Kolkata destroyers, please read up when they were due for completion, as promised by the yard.
Now look at the complexity of the IAC, a carrier is degree of difficulty above even something as complex as a 7000 tonne multi role destroyer, so be realistic, your heart may want it by 2018 but listen to your head, 2020-2022 is more what we can expect.

Well,I think Cochin Shipyard is much better,they had made ships(as big as 95,000 DWT) for international customers,and go through post #27

And for the public sector shipyards,Shivalik class was delivered on time and Kolkata class would probabily come this year probabily (1 or 2 years delay)

India is building ships which are in excess of 80000 tons our ship building industry has the capability.

We built an 80,000 tonne Bulk carrier one back in the 1980s,and that was done in Cochin shipyard!!

 

[damiendehorn]

India is building ships which are in excess of 80000 tons our ship building industry has the capability.

You seem to lack the knowledge please go through the below video

IN and its acquisitions are is fast pace, kindly look into the acquisitions done by Indian Navy in the last decade and how many are home built.





Indian shipyards are mastering modular ship building and they are also taking foreign tech help through JV's. We can handle complexities well.

Look, building merchant vessels and building naval ships are very different things, even in Bangladesh we have dozens of yards building merchant vessels for export to Denmark, Germany etc etc and we too can build ships upto 20,000 tonnes, but building say a 2,000 tonne corvette that is still a few years away.

Take a realistic look at your naval yards past projects, existing projects and when they were expected to be delivered, when they were actually delivered, ask a naval architect for advice about ship building and the difference between naval projects and merchant projects. You will see why Russia has taken so long in completing the indian rebuild.

 

[Srinivas]

Look, building merchant vessels and building naval ships are very different things, even in Bangladesh we have dozens of yards building merchant vessels for export to Denmark, Germany etc etc and we too can build ships upto 20,000 tonnes, but building say a 2,000 tonne corvette that is still a few years away.

Take a realistic look at your naval yards past projects, existing projects and when they were expected to be delivered, when they were actually delivered, ask a naval architect for advice about ship building and the difference between naval projects and merchant projects. You will see why Russia has taken so long in completing the indian rebuild.

Russia taking this much time for rebuilding a carrier has to do with conversion delay, it takes much time to convert that building from scratch. Plus they are at the same time testing their techs. like Naval MiG 29, radars etc..etc...

But India on the other hand has gained this experience from INS Vikramaditya and some of the home grown projects.

I indicated 80000 tons to let you know we have the infrastructure and expertise to build big hulls.

Shivalik class frigates are 6000 tons to 7000 tons and are fitted with advanced radars and weapon systems. So we have the tech and infrastructure and will to do it.

Navy's projects are given a high priority since our defense lies in sea.

We have Naval LCA which is under going trials and testing, Mig 29 naval version

Barak long range sam systems and short range sam syatems.

naval guns which are ready which are also used in shivalik class frigates.

Ski jump is already tested in INS vikramaditya.

Only we need to assemble these systems since we already testing the completed hull.

So I am confident that this project will meet the schedule.

 

[damiendehorn]

Well,I think Cochin Shipyard is much better,they had made ships(as big as 95,000 DWT) for international customers,and go through post #27

And for the public sector shipyards,Shivalik class was delivered on time and Kolkata class would probabily come this year probabily (1 or 2 years delay)



We built an 80,000 tonne Bulk carrier one back in the 1980s,and that was done in Cochin shipyard!!

Bro, your comparing merchant ships to naval ships, just look at the current builds. When was the first hull of the Kolkata class completed? When was it due to become operational? After you have read the past performance of the naval yards then tell if you really think the IAC will be operational in 4.5 years.

 

[SPFG]

Bro, your comparing merchant ships to naval ships, just look at the current builds. When was the first hull of the Kolkata class completed? When was it due to become operational? After you have read the past performance of the naval yards then tell if you really think the IAC will be operational in 4.5 years.

IOC 2016. Induction 2017 -2018. Till now China has no idea how to deploy Lianoning and it has no sensors, missiles and jets right now. It can cruise on it's own though @ 27 -30 knots. Only 4 people know how to fly and land J15 on it. Dogfigting is different and jet capability also another story. By the time we get IOC 1 we will have operated Vicky for 3 - 4 yrs which due to proven systems will help us reach FOC faster.

Bro, your comparing merchant ships to naval ships, just look at the current builds. When was the first hull of the Kolkata class completed? When was it due to become operational? After you have read the past performance of the naval yards then tell if you really think the IAC will be operational in 4.5 years.

Kolkata Class is finished. Barak 8 was only delay. Now induction around august.

 

[GR!FF!N]

@nuclearpak...

your name should have to be "Nirma washing powder"..kya "dhulai kiya"..

Look, building merchant vessels and building naval ships are very different things, even in Bangladesh we have dozens of yards building merchant vessels for export to Denmark, Germany etc etc and we too can build ships upto 20,000 tonnes, but building say a 2,000 tonne corvette that is still a few years away.

Take a realistic look at your naval yards past projects, existing projects and when they were expected to be delivered, when they were actually delivered, ask a naval architect for advice about ship building and the difference between naval projects and merchant projects. You will see why Russia has taken so long in completing the indian rebuild.

delay is part of a project.its not like only India is facing delays..every large project faces delays.look at F-35 project..and Delay regarding Kolkata Class destroyer is due to multiple problems which isn't related with the naval yards but related with the arms acquisition.eg.Barak 8.Indian Ship Yards are doing fine job.yes,there are delays.but thats why India started building IAC-2 parallaly.and please don't compare India with China.tell me,do you even know when a project started in China and when it was inducted??there are news that JL-2 project was started 20 years ago but yet to be fielded/fielded recently.delay is part of a project.by the way,IAC-1 was scheduled to be inducted around 2018 where it was scheduled around 2014.but you've forgot one thing,the main delay was due to supply of gearbox and various other issues including accidents..

 

[damiendehorn]

Russia taking this much time for rebuilding a carrier has to do with conversion delay, it takes much time to convert that building from scratch. Plus they are at the same time testing their techs. like Naval MiG 29, radars etc..etc...

But India on the other hand has gained this experience from INS Vikramaditya and some of the home grown projects.

I indicated 80000 tons to let you know we have the infrastructure and expertise to build big hulls.

Shivalik class frigates are 6000 tons to 7000 tons and are fitted with advanced radars and weapon systems. So we have the tech and infrastructure and will to do it.

Navy's projects are given a high priority since our defense lies in sea.

Seriously, do have any idea what your talking about? The p17s keel was laid in 2001 the hull with superstructure was wayed in 2003, it wasn't until 2010 that she was commissioned a full 7 years and that a 6200 tonne frigate. Now your telling me that the yard will complete a 44,000 tonne carrier and complete sea trails in 4.5 years!

Oh and I am not even taking into account the terrible schedule record of public sector indian naval yards. You obviously have no clue about naval ship building.

 

[Rocky25]

We will congratulate you guys if this was a legit indigenous carrier. But let's face it dude, there is nothing 'indigenous' about this carrier. None of the components are Indian, it's all made from foreign imports. India can barely make ANY weapon fully indigenous and you expect everyone to believe that you can make full aircraft carriers with indigenous components?

Lets behave like adults and be mature about this. I am happy India got an aircraft carrier, but lets not stretch it saying this is indigenous, because its far from it.

Buddy, No one requesting you to Congratulate Indians in the first place! You Chinese told that the steel is also Imported, We showed you proofs that it was from Tata steel, which came from India itself.

Frankly you DON'T know about all details as which is indigenous and which is NOT! China had made use of Soviet's fall and hired their scientists and engineers and built the defence equipment's... Still China could NOT make the engines for the Fighter aircraft's.... Does that mean any country can belittle China's achievements. It is slow and steady process.

Like wise you cannot say that Indian inputs in making of ACC is Zero!

We Indians are MORE happy that the Submarines and Aircraft Carriers are 'MADE IN INDIA' rather than we import it from a foreign nation like Russia or France as a finished product.

We are making new defence deals like importing some minimum number in finished format and then the rest to be made in India. We are happy this way and the title says 'homegrown', It is far far better than directly importing.

 

[Srinivas]

Seriously, do have any idea what your talking about? The p17s keel was laid in 2001 the hull with superstructure was wayed in 2003, it wasn't until 2010 that she was commissioned a full 7 years and that a 6200 tonne frigate. Now your telling me that the yard will complete a 44,000 tonne carrier and complete sea trails in 4.5 years!

Oh and I am not even taking into account the terrible schedule record of public sector indian naval yards. You obviously have no clue about naval ship building.

The delay is because we are for the first time setting up facilities and testing new tech. The building of frigates also involves setting up facilities.

All the systems which are to be used in Aircraft carrier are tried and tested in the last decade, so we have the tech and components ready to be assembled on aircraft carrier hull.

 

[damiendehorn]

@nuclearpak...

your name should have to be "Nirma washing powder"..kya "dhulai kiya"..



delay is part of a project.its not like only India is facing delays..every large project faces delays.look at F-35 project..and Delay regarding Kolkata Class destroyer is due to multiple problems which isn't related with the naval yards but related with the arms acquisition.eg.Barak 8.Indian Ship Yards are doing fine job.yes,there are delays.but thats why India started building IAC-2 parallaly.and please don't compare India with China.tell me,do you even know when a project started in China and when it was inducted??there are news that JL-2 project was started 20 years ago but yet to be fielded/fielded recently.delay is part of a project.by the way,IAC-1 was scheduled to be inducted around 2018 where it was scheduled around 2014.but you've forgot one thing,the main delay was due to supply of gearbox and various other issues including accidents..

What are you a betting man? Do you know how long sea trails last? 3 months? 6 months? a year? And we are not talking about just a frigate, this is a carrier. Go to the dock and a have look at what stage they are at, then tell me if you think they will be able to commission her by 2018.m

 

[SPFG]

What are you a betting man? Do you know how long sea trails last? 3 months? 6 months? a year? And we are not talking about just a frigate, this is a carrier. Go to the dock and a have look at what stage they are at, then tell me if you think they will be able to commission her by 2018.m

actually 6 months at most. Again we have previous experience so AWESOME. Don't worry we won't invade BD. Amra aponer mitrota badate chai.