India's Dirty War-Forbes.com

[Prowler]

These Maoist Communist bastids must be shot dead on site they are nothing but trouble..Communists themselves live in a slave system no freedom of thought or free media makes these slaves brain dead and obedient to their masters.Maoists doesn't want village areas to develop and they want the poor and tribal people to remain backward so that they can exploit these poor illiterate people.This is the reason why these communist bastids are killing and destroying people and the infrastructure.

At Chinese comrades don't view this video it's brainwashing for you

@All other see and think for yourself

And everyone give a Hell Yeah for the "Tank Man" the only guy in China who has balls to protest

 

[gogbot]

so this what passes for news these days.

a carefully written opinion piece.

highlighting select facts and omitting ground realities.

the very fact that naxals have existed for this long is proof enough of the GOI lacks the will to do anything described

 

[Skeptic]

You made a serious racist remark on chinese, and so I have to call all indian open defecat wild animals bcoz you have nowhere to sh@t without sh@tting open.

My friend it said CHINI and does not have the K which would no doubt make it a racist comment. Chini means chinese in hindi, with no racist tone what so ever.

I would kindly request you to delete your reply. i'll delete your quoted post after that.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Yes this surge of naxalite violence is a long term concern to India and we need a multi pronged approach to get it solved. IMHO, macho declarations will not help us.

Comparing with China will not help either, regardless of what's happening in that country.

WE have to fix it, and hopefully we will.

@greyboy2 - good article. Thanks

@chinapakistan - your flags seem to suggest otherwise but I doubt if you are Chinese.

So any time you want to be an internet warrior calling people "no ball Hindus" my advice is for you to go right to the firing line to show some "balls" of your own. But I doubt you will- jo garajte hain, woh baraste nahin.

 

[chinapakistan]

My friend it said CHINI and does not have the K which would no doubt make it a racist comment. Chini means chinese in hindi, with no racist tone what so ever.

I would kindly request you to delete your reply. i'll delete your quoted post after that.

Oh, really. Some for mistaking that, but what about this one?

another chinies pussy cat against open defecat wild animal

 

[gogbot]

It's only because India is a democracy that the Naxal's even exist.

Unlike all other internal conflicts facing the region , ThE Naxal issue stems for a systemic fault in India's government that has built up over many years.

It is a fight for politcal right in the end, even though the Naxals themselves are only a symptom and by no means a solution .

The various aspects surround the issue. Have only come to light because of the democratic process and free media. Public percept of course is solely the individuals choice

India stem's for the deserts to the highest peaks in the world. A fitting cotrast it would seem to the nations people. Billionaires and Poor living side by side in equally jaw dropping numbers.

And a government whose job it is to meet the needs of all these very vast and different people , Balancing the needs of a few Hundred Million people versus those of even more hundreds of less privileged. All the while trying to fight the systemic corruption that exists with in it self.

A tale of two India's is in fact the very reason the Naxal issue now is different from before. On hand You have an India that wants to march into the 21st century with a new attitude , and another that has yet to realise a better tomorrow.

India's most under privileged
The Naxal's issue connects to the poor and their right's and place in today's India. What happens and is being watched and judged by all.

Naxal influence has left many parts of the nation with out any government support for many years.

As the government comes back to a people who have gotten very little form it.
It bring's with a modern India. It's good's and bad's.

the Naxal's are but a tip of the iceberg of what is one of the most important political challenges the nation has yet.

Even when the movement is dead and accounted for , what happens after is the real issue facing many of these political analysts.

The Naxals came about because of a reason they did little to help but very few symptoms help cure an illness .

But in the end , one must take a pragmatic view of these things , will something happen yes. will it be the a good move , honestly nobody can answer that.

One thing i can say is that above all else this is an exercise of democracy,

In a communist , dictatorship or what ever . Do you really expect there to be any objections at all , to what ever happens.

At least for our sakes , we have a populace not afraid to stand up to the government. No democracy can function with out that.

India's government , is only an amalgamation, of its people's will.

And in an issue as wide as the this , and a government as corrupt as ours.
What ever crimes "if they exist" surface.

India's citizens will always be there to hold them to account. That in the end is the very role of democracy.

 

[Kinetic]

Some internal problems were there in India from the beginning. But India is one of the most stable country in Asia. Very few people with foreign supports and ideas creating problem but they will be destroyed as usual!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stick to the topic please, which is India, not Kashmir or Tibet or Xinxiang, nor is it Indian toilets and police brutality outside of the context of the Naxal insurgency.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

My apologies for contributing to the flame wars, even if it was one post.

Now then.

Greyboy 2's original article is absolutely right. India has a huge emerging problem with Naxals and if this trend continues we will rue it.

State violence is not the answer, or at least the only answer. The state apparatus in these places is worse than elsewhere, and like it or not, there is a history of abuse of the poor, by middlemen more often than the state.

The correct response - although these are all cliches - is strengthening the system, making it more equitable and giving people a chance to build their lives (education, economy).

As privileged Indians - all of us who are surfing here are privileged, be in no doubt about that - we cannot afford to be divorced from out own citizens. We have to listen to them.

Because every innocent killed in a state operation will have a multiplier impact on future protesters. And one day they will be large enough to force the state to use 'real' violence. In the end - I pray we never come to that stage - we will have an army operation there and from that point we will be in deep trouble. Forget that India Shining business, this trend has the potential to set us back by decades and neutralize all our real achievements thus far.

 

[johnny boy]

India's Dirty War - Forbes.com

Megha Bahree, 04.23.10, 06:20 AM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated May 10, 2010
A violent struggle over resource-rich land is pitting billionaires against Maoists. Thousands of villagers have been killed and displaced.
Forbes.com Video Network | Business: A Violent Struggle In India

Early one morning last October police forces surrounded the residents of Gompad, a remote village in the state of Chhattisgarh in eastern India, and attacked. Sixteen people were killed, including an older couple and their 25-year-old daughter, who was stabbed in the head with a knife and had her breasts sliced off. Her 2-year-old son survived, but three of his fingers were chopped off. A neighbor who witnessed the massacre was shot in the leg as she tried to escape. What prompted the rampage? The cops suspected the villagers of sympathizing with Maoist insurgents, believing that some were informants. A criminal case has been filed by the survivors against the state.

Business as usual in this part of the world. The Indian government is trying to exterminate Maoists known as Naxalites and since 2004 have killed 1,300 of them; trapped in the crossfire, 2,900 villagers have also died.

The Naxalites have claimed their share of victims, too. A few months before the Gompad attack Vimal Meshram, a village head, was gunned down by Maoists in a market in the same district (Bastar). His crime: He was an outspoken supporter of a plant that Tata Steel, one of India's luminary companies, has been trying to build for the past five years . He is one of 1,650 or more people--villagers, police and police-backed vigilantes--who have been killed by Maoists, just in this district. In the bloodiest attack yet, 80 or more paramilitary troops were killed in early April as they tried to flush out Maoist rebels in the forests of Dantewada in Chhattisgarh.

This is India's dirty war:a brutal struggle over valuable real estate that pits the Naxalites against some of the nation's most powerful commercial interests. What began 43 years ago as a small but violent peasant insurrection in Naxalbari, a West Bengal village, is now a full-fledged conflict led by the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist) across 20 of the country's 28 states (see map below), affecting 223 districts. The fight is over land, much of it in the interior, that has rich deposits of coal and bauxite. On one side of the struggle are the rebels--perhaps 10,000 of them armed and out in the field every day, and a militia of 100,000 who can be called up on short notice. Driven by a violent ideology, the Naxalites claim to be fighting for the land rights of the poor, especially farmers and small indigenous tribes who know only an agrarian way of life. On the other side are the wealthy families behind Tata Steel, Jindal Steel & Power and Vedanta Resources (run by mining mogul Anil Agarwal), who want to develop the untapped resources. (The three companies rank 345, 1,131 and 923 on the Global 2000 list.) Caught in the middle of the conflict between Maoists and billionaires are thousands of villagers. (See: "My Family's Narrow Escape From India's Dirty War")

In principle there ought to be an economic answer to the economic question of whether a steel mill is a better use of land than a farm. If the mill is so valuable, why can't its owner offer the peasants an irresistible sum to leave? But here the market takes a back seat behind politics and thuggery.

It's no mystery why things have gotten worse. "India's boom period has coincided with maximum dissent and dissatisfaction in rural India," says Ajai Sahni, executive director for the Institute for Conflict Management, a New Delhi think tank. Over the last decade the Indian government has been trying by legal and other means to lock up the land for public projects like power plants and, more recently, for private enterprises like Tata. (Under the Indian constitution nontribal people are prohibited from directly acquiring land in certain parts of the country, so the government must obtain it on their behalf and sell it to the companies.) That trend has put the state more and more in conflict with the Maoist rebels, and it has ratcheted up paramilitary operations against them. The government has also squared off more frequently against those who have farmed the land for centuries, using various legal entitlements--and, villagers often claim, resorting to fraud or force--to gain possession of the property. Other times the state simply seizes the land, labeling any resistance rebel-inspired. Hundreds of thousands of people have been dispossessed and displaced. Many now live in what could become permanent refugee camps, where they are prey to both sides of the proxy war and easy converts to radicalism.

Maoists earn more than 1500 crore every year from these lands supporting illegal mining and allied activities. Then use the money to bully villagers and buy arms to fight with state forces. Precisely....

Dantewada in Bastar is the epicenter of Naxal activity, where the New Delhi government launched a "cleansing" operation last fall. It also happens to be 50 miles from the town of Jagdalpur, the site of a planned factory by Tata Steel that will produce 5 million tons a year, and close to iron ore mines that could feed the plant. For the past five years the government has been trying to acquire 5,050 acres across ten villages that will affect 1,750 landowners but has met with resistance even as it is being accused of bullying and pressure tactics. Tata washes its hands of those allegations. "Land acquisition is the government's job," says a spokesperson.

Acres of rice, chickpeas and lentils stretch to the horizon. Standing among rows of chickpeas on his 6 acres, Hidmo Mandavi, the village head, says Tata reps have been telling him and other farmers to sell the land and have offered them jobs in the new steel factory. "We're not engineers," he says. "We'll get jobs--but jobs where we'll be serving water to others or sweeping the floors. Right now we live like owners. Why should we become servants?"

Their defiance doesn't go down well, even in the world's largest democracy. The police have been breaking up gatherings of as few as five people. A couple of winters ago two busloads of villagers were on their way to meet the governor of Chhattisgarh to complain about being bullied into selling their land for the Tata plant when the police stopped their buses and hauled them off to jail. Mashre Mora, 46, a farmer in the nearby Dabpal village who refused to sell out, was arrested a third time after returning from a weekly village gathering where farmers discuss issues like water supply, crop infestation and disputes with their neighbors. Charge: disturbing the peace. That evening about 40 cops came to his house, broke the lock and dragged him out. "I've told them I won't give up my land," he says. "I'm uneducated and can't get a job in an office, so once the money runs out what will I do? I only have the support of my farming, I don't have anything else." (The police say they have no involvement in land acquisition and show up only to hunt Maoists.)
Red Tide
The spread of the Maoist insurgency.


Please read the complete article from the link below;
India's Dirty War - Forbes.com

hmmmm..............1).firstly naxals are not anti indian.
2)they are anti democracy.
3)they are more efficient than our present govt.
4)they are heavily patriotic and beleive me if they really come to power one day they will be your worst nightmare.
4)bcos they dont hav any morality.......and in da business of war what matters is results.....so chill.
5)dreaming that india is weak,and will collapse all that stuff is utter bs.
6)net point is india is very strong fundamentally and da naxal situation is politically motivated......hence when da politicians are done with em...they are dead......
7)lol.
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[below_freezing]

i actually think that the naxal movement is just like china's own communist revolution. if given the right conditions it could overthrow india's government.

what's not clear is even if india's government is overthrown by the maoists, india would be any nicer to china. indeed, they could try to reclaim "greater india". with the modern war machine of india turned against the outside instead of its own citizens, with a motivated army, that'd be very fearsome.

 

[no_name]

^^^ remember that China broke up with the Soviet Union even though both were communists? Or vietnam and china

Plus China is no longer really following communist ideas anyway. The revolutionary ideas were tucked away after Mao died. So I don't think it will be good if India is taken over by maoist. (assuming that is possible)

 

[below_freezing]

^^^ remember that China broke up with the Soviet Union even though both were communists? Or vietnam and china

Plus China is no longer really following communist ideas anyway. The revolutionary ideas were tucked away after Mao died. So I don't think it will be good if India is taken over by maoist. (assuming that is possible)

exactly, nationalism always triumphs, and communists are the greatest nationalists. stalin even said the goal of the soviet union was to build socialism in one country - russia.

maybe the best thing would be for the maoists to be just powerful enough to destabilize india but not powerful enough to overthrow the government.

 

[Iggy]

Well i dont know about the rest of the state but i am wondering what they put parts of Kerala under maoists presence?there is no report of maoist attack in my state for the last two decades..there was significant presence in Kerala in late 60's.but subsequent governments work for the welfare of the people and proper education help them eradicate naxal menace from Kerala society..

 

[indiarocks]

thats a great thing .....remove the threads that disclose you............and ur pathetic behaviour towards the tibet