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ByAir Marshal RK Nehra
IssueBook Excerpt: Hinduism & its Military Ethos| Date : 30 Nov , 2013



The first major test of the Indian armed forces came in 1962 when India was involved in a border conflict with China. In 1914, an Englishman, Sir Arthur Haney McMahon tried to define the border between India and Tibet (China) on the highest watershed principle. The effort was only partially successful, as the central Chinese government of that time did not ratify the agreement. In the late 1950s, the border dispute between India and China (who had incorporated Tibet) started simmering. Some border posts were set up by the Chinese; India considered it as incursions in Indian territory.

Around October 1962, Jawaharlal Nehru gave a public statement that he had asked the armed forces to get the offensive posts vacated. In the event, it appears that China took the initiative. Before the Indians could act, the Chinese attacked over the Eastern border. Skirmishes also occurred in the Western (Ladakh) region, where the Indian troops gave an extremely good account of themselves.

The actual reasons for the 1962 debacle were: Failure of higher direction and control at Army HQs and Ministry of Defense, almost total failure of generalship at the field level, and failure of the troops to do what they are trained and expected to do, i.e. stand up and fight.

But in the East, the Indian army, for some inexplicable reason, failed to offer any credible resistance. There were unconfirmed reports of battalions and even perhaps a brigade, giving up their positions (hard facts are difficult to come by). The Chinese forces advanced with extra-ordinary ease. It was not the defeat, but the manner of defeat which was most humiliating. Matters were made worst by the Chinese declaring a unilateral ceasefire on 21 November 1962; the Chinese withdrew to their original positions.

The Indian nation was staggered beyond belief; no one had imagined that such a situation could develop. The great visionary Nehru himself was forced to declare that they had been living in a dream world of their own making. Nehru could not survive the shock, suffered a stroke and died in 1964.

After the great debacle, the market was awash with books mostly written by (defeated) generals and Intelligence top brass, whose failures in the first instance had resulted in the disastrous situation. Their first (in fact only) priority was to blame everyone else, except themselves. There was a liberal use of words like ‘if’ and ‘but‘. Over the centuries, Indian (read Hindu) commanders never learnt the basic lesson that ‘victory’ speaks for itself and does not have to rely on ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’.

Every type and manner of imaginary and untenable excuses were trotted out for the defeat and the humiliation, e.g.:

  • Lack of Intelligence
  • Lack of acclimatization
  • Shortage of equipment; proper (winter) clothing and boots were stressed
  • Inadequacy of all types and manner of resources
The (trusting) Indian public was led to believe that the troops could not fight due to inadequacy of equipment; till date (2009), most Indians believe that that was the case. That it was not so is proven by the fact that the Indian troops fought well on the Western front, where the winter was much more severe.

At this stage, it would be relevant to record some views of Napoleon Bonaparte, the great French general. Napoleon was made a major-general at the age of 26, and given command of some 40,000 French troops, one of the most ill-equipped army of those days. Napoleon was asked to conquer Northern Italy, which France had been trying to occupy unsuccessfully, for a century or so. There were some two hundred thousand Italian and Austrian troops in Northern Italy at that time. Napoleon addressed his troops with words somewhat on the following lines — ‘I know you have neither food nor clothing, nor boots; but, we are going to win in any case’. (These are not his exact words, but only convey the sense.) Napoleon went on to conquer Northern Italy with that army. The moral of the story is that generals may fight many times with adequate equipment; but sometimes they may have to do that with inadequate equipment. That is the nature of war, which must be won under all circumstances.

Admiral Sureesh Mehta, serving Chief of the Naval Staff made a statement on 10 August 2009. He went on to publicly proclaim that India was no match for China and the gap was so wide that it was unbridgeable. What an admirable self-goal to be achieved by the Admiral?

The actual reasons for the 1962 debacle were:

  • Failure of higher direction and control at Army HQs and Ministry of Defense
  • Almost total failure of generalship at the field level
  • Failure of the troops to do what they are trained and expected to do, i.e. ‘stand up and fight’.
The writer is aware that he would be criticized and pilloried for writing the last factor above, which would be projected as a reflection on our gallant soldiers and an effort to break their morale. The writer, however, believes that there must come a time in the history of nations when they must stand up and face ‘cold and hard’ facts, howsoever unpleasant these may be; that requires courage. The remedial actions can start only after such an acceptance of reality.

Understandably, following the debacle, there was turmoil in India; some generals, including the Chief of the Army Staff, were eased out. The Minister of Defense was asked to go. But care was taken not to touch any bureaucrat at the Ministry of Defense. An inquiry was undertaken; but its report was kept under wraps. Soon everything was forgotten and things fell into the earlier easy groove.

The 1962 fiasco was a failure of fundamental and basic nature. It should have called in question everything connected with the armed forces. There was a requirement for a change in the very mindset of the armed forces and its controlling establishment. Wholesale changes of management structure, procedures and training patterns were called for. That is easier said than done; so, we are where we always were, i.e. nowhere. It would be a monumental error to think that we learnt any lesson from the 1962 debacle.

India’s China Syndrome

Caveat: India and China are neighbors, both aspiring to become global powers. The two can go on their aspirational route without having to step on each other’s toes. Nothing that is stated below may be taken to infer that the conflict between the two is unavoidable, or likely.

Bharat (India) is suffering from a besieged psyche and psychology of victimhood. We are happy to project ourselves as victims.

Presently, India suffers from the China syndrome. In TV debates on China, one sees a galaxy of retired diplomats and generals, and other busy-bodies; they are undoubtedly a set of most prescient men of India. What happens in TV studios is series of tired monologues symptomatic of a nation without any iron in its soul. The primary emphasis is to project China as some sort of a super military power. All sort of dooms-day scenarios are painted for India. That is just a manifestation of the Indian (read Hindu) ‘defeatist mindset’, in this case linked to the 1962 defeat.

The root of the 1962 debacle lay in the failure of the Indian army to put up a fight against the Chinese in the Eastern sector. As that was too shameful to be publicly admitted, a propaganda war was unleashed to project China as a vastly superior military machine, against which we could not have succeeded, even if we had tried. Attributes were assigned to the Chinese army, which it did not posses. The following types of deceptively disguised statements were let out:

  • Chinese came in wave after wave — what could we possibly do?
  • Chinese had vastly superior armaments.
  • Their Generals out-foxed ours.
  • We were shivering with cold.


The media, always hungry for news, picked up the theme and started playing it around, with a degree of vehemence. At the same time, (defeated) generals came out with a series of books, plugging the same line, i.e. projecting the Chinese army as a ‘super human’ one. The Government refused to give the authentic version. Even after about half a century, the official Henderson Brooks Inquiry report is under wraps.
 
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In 1914, an Englishman, Sir Arthur Haney McMahon tried to define the border between India and Tibet (China) on the highest watershed principle. The effort was only partially successful, as the central Chinese government of that time did not ratify the agreement.

What right does an Englishman have to draw lines across Chinese and Indian sovereign territory?
 
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What right does an Englishman have to draw lines across Chinese and Indian sovereign territory?

At that time, both countries (at least, the relevant parts) were ruled by the british. Or at the very least, britain controlled that region militarily.

Most countries in africa and the arab region today exist because britishmen drew the boundaries. Otherwise, most of these regions are not real countries with a historic identity.
 
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Again, what right does an Englishman have to draw lines across Chinese and Indian sovereign territory?

England is on the other side of the planet.

So a white man comes and tells you where your territory is?

Maybe that crap would be enough during the colonial era. But it's not the colonial era anymore.
 
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yup and its not 1962 anymore dude
@Chinese-Dragon
india was also partitioned by the same white ppl.
china must be sensible enough to realize that it cannot fight on all the flanks.
india could be great ally of china if china plays the cards right,but i am afraid its not happening.in the coming years south china sea is gonna be quite volatile and china could do itself great service by not escalating situations on other border when aksai chin area and leh ladakh are just barren pieses with no productivity whatsoever.
 
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Again, what right does an Englishman have to draw lines across Chinese and Indian sovereign territory?

England is on the other side of the planet.

So a white man comes and tells you where your territory is?

Maybe that crap would be enough during the colonial era. But it's not the colonial era anymore.

It happened during the colonial era (in 1914). It did not happen recently.
 
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Air Marshal RK Nehra didn't hold back his view :rofl:

Failure of higher direction and control at Army HQs and Ministry of Defense
  • Almost total failure of generalship at the field level
  • Failure of the troops to do what they are trained and expected to do, i.e. ‘stand up and fight’.

He basically said the Indian general in 1962 were incompetent and the Indian fighting troops were cowards. Instead of taking ownership of their failure( incompetent-cowardice), they decide to place the blame on:

Chinese came in wave after wave — what could we possibly do?
  • Chinese had vastly superior armaments.
  • Their Generals out-foxed ours.
  • We were shivering with cold.
No wonder after 53 years the Henderson book is still classified, if it is open the embarrassment would be on an epic level.
 
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At that time, both countries (at least, the relevant parts) were ruled by the british. Or at the very least, britain controlled that region militarily.

Most countries in africa and the arab region today exist because britishmen drew the boundaries. Otherwise, most of these regions are not real countries with a historic identity.
born to be slave,happy being slave...so, now the dispute is between China and Britain,indians shut up.
 
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born to be slave,happy being slave...so, now the dispute is between China and Britain,indians shut up.

@janon can express his opinions. He has stated his case politely.

The aggressive tone is uncalled for. But Indians will not shut up. Don't you have smaller countries to pick on
 
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yup and its not 1962 anymore dude
@Chinese-Dragon
india was also partitioned by the same white ppl.
china must be sensible enough to realize that it cannot fight on all the flanks.
india could be great ally of china if china plays the cards right,but i am afraid its not happening.in the coming years south china sea is gonna be quite volatile and china could do itself great service by not escalating situations on other border when aksai chin area and leh ladakh are just barren pieses with no productivity whatsoever.




Keep living in your dream world and believe the Propaganda fed to you by your textbooks.

India was Partitioned by Nehru and his egotistical Ambitions.

Nehru had the Power to keep the country UNITED, as Gandhi ji was pleading with him.

But no, he had to split the country in 3 Parts to solve his " Muslim Problem ".

Stop blaming the White Man for all the Indian F ups, Kid...
 
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Again, what right does an Englishman have to draw lines across Chinese and Indian sovereign territory?

England is on the other side of the planet.

So a white man comes and tells you where your territory is?

Maybe that crap would be enough during the colonial era. But it's not the colonial era anymore.

Englishmen came and created a country called India an draw its border. It was an act of colonialism. An act that should be reversed.

Keep living in your dream world and believe the Propaganda fed to you by your textbooks.

India was Partitioned by Nehru and his egotistical Ambitions.

Nehru had the Power to keep the country UNITED, as Gandhi ji was pleading with him.

But no, he had to split the country in 3 Parts to solve his " Muslim Problem ".

Stop blaming the White Man for all the Indian F ups, Kid...

British only created India. I don't think they split up British India.
 
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Englishmen came and created a country called India an draw its border. It was an act of colonialism. An act that should be reversed.



British only created India. I don't think they split up British India.



Mughals created India long before the British.
 
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Mughals created India long before the British.
Indian history did not begin with mughals. Guptas and mauryas created (or rather, ruled over) most of the subcontinent. The name (and idea of ) bharatavarsha for the subcontinent was not formed during mughal years, but millenia before. I'm no proponent of any akhand bharat, let me make that clear before people jump on me for that. Anyway, the idea of India as an entity (though not a nation state) existed long before the mughals. And as a nation state, it did not exist until 1947.

Keep living in your dream world and believe the Propaganda fed to you by your textbooks.

India was Partitioned by Nehru and his egotistical Ambitions.

Nehru had the Power to keep the country UNITED, as Gandhi ji was pleading with him.

But no, he had to split the country in 3 Parts to solve his " Muslim Problem ".

Stop blaming the White Man for all the Indian F ups, Kid...

Well, is that how it is taught in pakistan? In India the popular conception is that it was Jinnah's egoistic ambitions that split the country. I won't take sides, but I must point out that the two nation theory was not propounded by Nehru.

Anyway, both those are simplistic views, nations do not form or split because of one or two persons, there are usually very complex and momentous social events that shape the course and destinies of large nations. And in the case of India and pak, that is definitely true. With or without Nehru, there would have been partition. Movements for the same were shaping up long before the event, despite the picturization in the film 'Gandhi'.
 
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Indian history did not begin with mughals. Guptas and mauryas created (or rather, ruled over) most of the subcontinent. The name (and idea of ) bharatavarsha for the subcontinent was not formed during mughal years, but millenia before. I'm no proponent of any akhand bharat, let me make that clear before people jump on me for that. Anyway, the idea of India as an entity (though not a nation state) existed long before the mughals. And as a nation state, it did not exist until 1947.

So we both agree that as a nation state, India was not created until 1947. And thus, India was created by the British. Though Indian culture have been around for millennium.
 
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So we both agree that as a nation state, India was not created until 1947. And thus, India was created by the British. Though Indian culture have been around for millennium.

Do you know when the idea of nation state itself formed? In the 19th century. Britain, France etc were not nation states before that. But britain, france etc existed long before that. Do you understand the difference? BTW would you apply that logic to china as well, since nation states are a european idea that took shape in the 19th century, that china was created by europe in the 19th century? Or would you say China has had five millenia of history?

born to be slave,happy being slave...so, now the dispute is between China and Britain,indians shut up.

The topic here is India, not your mother. So take your 50 cents and shove it where you came out of.

(It is my last post, so I don't care about infractions. If trolls like you prevent a meaningful discussion from happening anyway, then I might as well reply in kind.)

@Ravi Nair : Thanks for the support, but it is pointless to explain that to him - bots like him get paid to insult and spew venom according to the script their govt gives them. As long as the forum lets them run riot, there is no point in being here, so I'm out.
 
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