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India's caste system goes back 2,000 years, genetic study finds

I didn't see any other posts of yours besides the ones I responded to previously. Both of your previous posts have been nothing but pathetic attempts at trolling. Where did I claim my race is superior? By the way, Pakistan has loads of accomplishments. While we are going through troubled times, we are doing our best to improve our country. I could have started insulting India, but I have not at the moment. I never claimed people get medals because of their race. Point out where I said that previously. Pathetic! If you have trouble reading the English language, then go & ask someone to teach it to you.

You referred to predicting the race of a new born baby within the family so I simply stated that if you were provide us with details regarding your ethnicity or ancestry, we could make some predictions, but they naturally won't be entirely reliable. I do not want to run DNA tests on anybody, definitely not on a troll such as yourself, where the hell would you have got such an idea? Once again, pathetic! What the hell is "fidayeen"? Wikipedia suggests they are a militant group? So are you implying that all of us are terrorists? I noticed that you have removed that worthless comment.
Well sorry but this troll planted saplings all over europe. Fidayeen is what you should be knowing, cos the ARABIAN SPRING IS USING IT MOST and AFghanisthan

Last time i checked India still had more poverty then Pakistan despite us being on hit list of TTP. That tell you about the state India is in.



Seriously? On top of that African American already have white ancestory! Thats why pure african will be more dark then American African. Despite all that even now mixed kids of blacks and whites generally tend to have black appearance.

you Believe that? maybe some pdf members can open yer mind. i guess theey cant. Be there wherever you are my friend maybe after 30 years we will wake you up? ;)
 
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I didn't see any other posts of yours besides the ones I responded to previously. Both of your previous posts have been nothing but pathetic attempts at trolling. Where did I claim my race is superior? By the way, Pakistan has loads of accomplishments. While we are going through troubled times, we are doing our best to improve our country. I could have started insulting India, but I have not at the moment. I never claimed people get medals because of their race. Point out where I said that previously. Pathetic! If you have trouble reading the English language, then go & ask someone to teach it to you.

You referred to predicting the race of a new born baby within the family so I simply stated that if you were provide us with details regarding your ethnicity or ancestry, we could make some predictions, but they naturally won't be entirely reliable. I do not want to run DNA tests on anybody, definitely not on a troll such as yourself, where the hell would you have got such an idea? Once again, pathetic! What the hell is "fidayeen"? Wikipedia suggests they are a militant group? So are you implying that all of us are terrorists? I noticed that you have removed that worthless comment.

LOOK YOU want a serious debate?
how many of your heart patients , liver transplant ,kidney transplant ones come here in india? Forget Cardiac Surgeries. we do dime a dozen.Why Wasn't your country able to do liver transplant, heart, kidney and etc.?
Seriously what were you thinking man were your enemies, when real enemies are within our bodies.
 
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India's caste system goes back 2,000 years, genetic study finds - NBC News.com

The caste system in South Asia — which rigidly separates people into high, middle and lower classes — may have been firmly entrenched by about 2,000 years ago, a new genetic analysis suggests.

Researchers found that people from different genetic populations in India began mixing about 4,200 years ago, but the mingling stopped around 1,900 years ago, according to the analysis published Thursday in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Combining this new genetic information with ancient texts, the results suggest that class distinctions emerged 3,000 to 3,500 years ago, and caste divisions became strict roughly two millennia ago.

Though relationships between people of different social groups was once common, there was a "transformation where most groups now practice endogamy," or marry within their group, said study co-author Priya Moorjani, a geneticist at Harvard University.

Ancestral populations
Hindus in India have historically been born into one of four major castes, with myriad subdivisions within each caste. Even today, in some parts of the country, marriage outside of one's caste is forbidden and those in the outcast, or "untouchable" group are discriminated against and prohibited from participating in religious rituals. (The Indian government has outlawed certain types of discrimination against the lowest classes.)

But when and why this system evolved has always been a bit murky, said Michael Witzel, a South Asian studies researcher at Harvard University, who was not involved in the work.

Moorjani's past research revealed that all people in India trace their heritage to two genetic groups: An ancestral North Indian group originally from the Near East and the Caucasus region, and another South Indian group that was more closely related to people on the Andaman Islands.

Today, everyone in India has DNA from both groups. "It's just the proportion of ancestry that you have that varies across India," Moorjani told LiveScience.

To determine exactly when these ancient groups mixed, the team analyzed DNA from 371 people who were members of 73 groups throughout the subcontinent.

Aside from finding when the mixing started and stopped, the researchers also found the mixing was thorough, with even the most isolated tribes showing ancestry from both groups.

Period of transition
Researchers aren't sure which groups of ancient people lived in India prior to 4,200 years ago, but Moorjani suspects the two groups lived side by side for centuries without intermarrying.

Archaeological evidence indicates that the groups began intermarrying during a time of great upheaval. The Indus Valley civilization, which spanned much of modern-day North India and Pakistan, was waning, and huge migrations were occurring across North India. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]

Ancient texts also reveal clues about the period.

The Rigveda, a nearly 3,500-year-old collection of hymns written in Sanskrit, a North Indian language, mentions chieftains with South Indian names.

"So there is some sort of mixture or intermarriage," Witzel told LiveScience.

Early on, there were distinct classes of people — the priests, the nobility and the common people — but no mention of segregation or occupational restrictions. By about 3,000 years ago, the texts mention a fourth, lowest class: the Sudras. But it wasn't until about 100 B.C. that a holy text called the Manusmruti explicitly forbade intermarriage across castes.

The study doesn't suggest that either the ancestral North or South Indian group formed the bulk of the upper or lower castes, Witzel said.

Rather, when caste divisions hardened, any type of intermarriage was sharply curtailed, leading to much less mixing overall.

Another Bash India Cast system thread... and i thought this is a defense forum... Guess anything goes in the name of India bashing.
 
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That doesn't make sense.

If people could change castes across generations, then we wouldn't see the genetic segregation found by the study. The segregation could only occur if the four genetic pools were kept disjoint at all times.

dunno about genetics but the person you quoted is right.
even in shrimad bhagvad gita it is stated that your karma should be of brahmans to become one.if you are brahman and you are doing the work of demon than you'll be a demon.
 
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I didn't see any other posts of yours besides the ones I responded to previously. Both of your previous posts have been nothing but pathetic attempts at trolling. Where did I claim my race is superior? By the way, Pakistan has loads of accomplishments. While we are going through troubled times, we are doing our best to improve our country. I could have started insulting India, but I have not at the moment. I never claimed people get medals because of their race. Point out where I said that previously. Pathetic! If you have trouble reading the English language, then go & ask someone to teach it to you.

You referred to predicting the race of a new born baby within the family so I simply stated that if you were provide us with details regarding your ethnicity or ancestry, we could make some predictions, but they naturally won't be entirely reliable. I do not want to run DNA tests on anybody, definitely not on a troll such as yourself, where the hell would you have got such an idea? Once again, pathetic! What the hell is "fidayeen"? Wikipedia suggests they are a militant group? So are you implying that all of us are terrorists? I noticed that you have removed that worthless comment.
hahaha, you should know what is fidayeen, (one ready to give up his life for truth)(But is he really giving his life for allah? allah never said kill innocent, and killing one innocent is akin to killing whole of humanity!
 
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Not really, Caucasians have recessive genes in general. Look at Obama, hardly any difference between him and other blacks despite being half white.

have u seen WWE wrestler the rock he may seem like a black still much much fairer than ur average pathan punjabi.
 
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Well sorry but this troll planted saplings all over europe. Fidayeen is what you should be knowing, cos the ARABIAN SPRING IS USING IT MOST and AFghanisthan

LOOK YOU want a serious debate?
how many of your heart patients , liver transplant ,kidney transplant ones come here in india? Forget Cardiac Surgeries. we do dime a dozen.Why Wasn't your country able to do liver transplant, heart, kidney and etc.?
Seriously what were you thinking man were your enemies, when real enemies are within our bodies.

Your comments are proving your own inferiority complex, hypocrisy, and hatred of other races. It's interesting that you seem to be desperate to prove India's racial superiority over Pakistan, but these points that you just made don't mean sh!t. It was reported around 2 years back that a heart transplant was supposed to take place in Pakistan, you may want to check up on that. Kidney & liver transplants already take place in Pakistan. You must be extremely ignorant to believe these medical procedures aren't performed in Pakistan. Some Pakistanis do travel to India for medical reasons, I guess its because of the costs involved & in the case of transplants; the availability of a suitable donor. Organ transplants have never been easy procedures, & a matching donor is considered extremely important & valuable. Most organ transplant patients require immunosuppressive drugs for extensive periods of time even in the case of matching organs. In any case, there are loads of Pakistani doctors in all of Arabia & other countries I have visited, & they have a great reputation overall.

You still haven't answered any of the questions I raised in my previous posts. You have an enemy in your body!? WTF!? That's weird! :omghaha: You fail at formulating your thoughts or even writing a decent response, so how the fuk could you in particular possibly claim racial superiority or even equality for that matter? Aristotle once said that the worst form of inequality was trying to make unequal things equal. However, I don't think I should generalize an entire race because you might simply be suffering from mental retardation. :laughcry:

hahaha, you should know what is fidayeen, (one ready to give up his life for truth)(But is he really giving his life for allah? allah never said kill innocent, and killing one innocent is akin to killing whole of humanity!

I guess the anonymity of the Internet allows you to type weird or offensive posts without any real consequence. The word actually refers to those involved in guerilla warfare as far as I know. Our discussion isn't about religion. If you must know though, Islam is against acts of terrorism, & the murder of innocents. So far, you have no relevant points whatsoever, & are simply posting any thought that comes up in your worthless mind.
 
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dunno about genetics but the person you quoted is right.
even in shrimad bhagvad gita it is stated that your karma should be of brahmans to become one.if you are brahman and you are doing the work of demon than you'll be a demon.

My understanding is that karma applies to one's own reincarnation, not one's children. We are talking here about the caste of children.
 
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Caste system in biggest evil of Indian society.
Positive signal is coming from today's young educated Indians.
It was rare to have an inter caste marriage in past but now it is very common in cities.
You can not eliminate thousand year system in a decade.
 
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My understanding is that karma applies to one's own reincarnation, not one's children. We are talking here about the caste of children.

nups.
reincarnation is a different concept but it is related to one's karma.

there is a part in bhagavada gita in which yama ask some question to dharma raja yudhishthira.
in one question he ask him whether you have to be born in brahaman family to become a brahman?
he replied no.one becomes brahman by his deeds.a brahman doing wrong deeds or the deeds of rakshasa can neverbe called as brahman.
this is the reason ravana despite being a brahman is called rakshasa.

i was really surprised after reading bhagavada gita.it promotes monotheism.

but the one i read was translated by swami prabhupada and i know people have habit of changing things according to there needs.so i'll learn sanskrit to clear my doubts.
 
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Seriously? On top of that African American already have white ancestory! Thats why pure african will be more dark then American African. Despite all that even now mixed kids of blacks and whites generally tend to have black appearance.

You most be blind if you think he doesnt resemble the mother. His whole head shape, etc is from the mother. He gets hair, dark skin, etc. from dad.

And the mixed kids of whites and blacks look like what they are, Mulattos.
 
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Your comments are proving your own inferiority complex, hypocrisy, and hatred of other races. It's interesting that you seem to be desperate to prove India's racial superiority over Pakistan, but these points that you just made don't mean sh!t. It was reported around 2 years back that a heart transplant was supposed to take place in Pakistan, you may want to check up on that. Kidney & liver transplants already take place in Pakistan. You must be extremely ignorant to believe these medical procedures aren't performed in Pakistan. Some Pakistanis do travel to India for medical reasons, I guess its because of the costs involved & in the case of transplants; the availability of a suitable donor. Organ transplants have never been easy procedures, & a matching donor is considered extremely important & valuable. Most organ transplant patients require immunosuppressive drugs for extensive periods of time even in the case of matching organs. In any case, there are loads of Pakistani doctors in all of Arabia & other countries I have visited, & they have a great reputation overall.

You still haven't answered any of the questions I raised in my previous posts. You have an enemy in your body!? WTF!? That's weird! :omghaha: You fail at formulating your thoughts or even writing a decent response, so how the fuk could you in particular possibly claim racial superiority or even equality for that matter? Aristotle once said that the worst form of inequality was trying to make unequal things equal. However, I don't think I should generalize an entire race because you might simply be suffering from mental retardation. :laughcry:



I guess the anonymity of the Internet allows you to type weird or offensive posts without any real consequence. The word actually refers to those involved in guerilla warfare as far as I know. Our discussion isn't about religion. If you must know though, Islam is against acts of terrorism, & the murder of innocents. So far, you have no relevant points whatsoever, & are simply posting any thought that comes up in your worthless mind.

Whatever , you cant wake a person who pretends to sleep.That's for you, i see majority pakistanis in pdf have closed mindset unlike people from other nations.Forget religion here.What is offensive in my posts?
Yeah we know how many transplants take place, btw, stop sending your patients to india, go seek out another country like china,since you hate us so much.When your life is at risk you need india, but when your life is saved you hate india .
 
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Whatever , you cant wake a person who pretends to sleep.That's for you, i see majority pakistanis in pdf have closed mindset unlike people from other nations.Forget religion here.What is offensive in my posts?
Yeah we know how many transplants take place, btw, stop sending your patients to india, go seek out another country like china,since you hate us so much.When your life is at risk you need india, but when your life is saved you hate india .

Pretends to sleep? It is you who lives in the darkness. We aren't close-minded. No one is going to bother trying to comprehend the views of a person that can't write down a logical response. It's you who has shown racism & hatred for other people including Pakistanis. There was absolutely nothing wrong in my original post as every race or ethnic group has the right to preserve its heritage. Go & read your pathetic posts again & note how offensive they were, you would be beaten to a pulp if your dare said that crap in public. I noticed you modified your post, probably to remove some crappy insult. It's none of my business where people choose to travel for treatment, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the hospitals treating those patients. Furthermore; no nation is hated without cause, hatred is earned. So now you have also begun to insult the patients whose lives are at risk? Those patients that you mock probably had no other choice for affordable medical treatments, & in the case of transplants; they would naturally do everything in their power to receive a suitable organ expeditiously.
 
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Pretends to sleep? It is you who lives in the darkness. We aren't close-minded. No one is going to bother trying to comprehend the views of a person that can't write down a logical response. It's you who has shown racism & hatred for other people including Pakistanis. There was absolutely nothing wrong in my original post as every race or ethnic group has the right to preserve its heritage. Go & read your pathetic posts again & note how offensive they were, you would be beaten to a pulp if your dare said that crap in public. I noticed you modified your post, probably to remove some crappy insult. It's none of my business where people choose to travel for treatment, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the hospitals treating those patients. Furthermore; no nation is hated without cause, hatred is earned. So now you have also begun to insult the patients whose lives are at risk? Those patients that you mock probably had no other choice for affordable medical treatments, & in the case of transplants; they would naturally do everything in their power to receive a suitable organ expeditiously.

My point here was to show your double standards, you want patients to be treated in India yet you hate us, wow, hatred earned?what are we doing to earn hatred treating your patients=earning hatred?Then it's better we stop treating aka earning hatred.It is not the hospitals since you hate us so much you should stop travelling to our country for medical treatment.Jab apni health aur jaan pe aayi toh india is best destination,jab nahi toh india hate, waah, waah kya baat hai.:devil:
It's either this or that there are no in betweens , you cannot chose moral high ground when you want and abuse others when you want.beat me to a pulp cos i said the truth and exposed hypocrisy?:).Like you say that your views are not wrong i too hold my views as not wrong.
 
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My understanding is that karma applies to one's own reincarnation, not one's children. We are talking here about the caste of children.

Karma applies to one's current life cycle and the next life cycle ... Its the part rules of the Maya( Scientific Researchers call it Holographic universe) , and the laws of physics are the laws of the Maya including "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" which is not only applicable to physics but also applicable to everything else including our day to day actions and our morals ...
 
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