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India's bullet train is yet to gather speed
Dec 2, 2018, 05:06 AM IST

After ten years, the National High Speed Rail Corporation Limited (NHSRL) completed its first land acquisition in Thane district a day ago. Coincidentally, on Friday itself, even in Gujarat, a NRI octogenarian from Germany handed over her ancestral land in Gujarat for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad bullet train project.

Savita Ben, who runs an Indian restaurant in Germany, is originally from Chansad village and had shifted abroad 33 years ago after getting married.

But that is where the Bullet Train glory ends. It has been almost a decade since the decision to run bullets trains in India was first discussed. It was in December 2009, under the United Progressive Alliance (UPA)-2 government, that the Ministry of Railways had presented a white paper named 'Vision 2020' in the Parliament, which had around six routes (Delhi-Mumbai, Delhi-Kolkata (via Lucknow), Mumbai-Chennai, Delhi-Nagpur part of Delhi-Chennai route, Mumbai-Nagpur part of Mumbai-Kolkata route and Chennai-Bengaluru-Mysuru).

In 2015, talks for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route resurfaced on a serious note. After a feasibility study, talks began with Japan and it was concluded that the Japanese International Cooperation Agency (JICA) would fund about 80 per cent of the project that will come in form of an ODA (official development assistance).

Construction work at few locations, in form of preparing designs for stations and tendering them, started in December 2017 after Prime Minister Narendra Modi conducted Bhoomipujan for the same in September 2017. The project was launched by PM Modi and his Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe in September last year.

The bullet train is supposed to have 12 stations across the 500-km stretch. The target, initially, was 1,400 hectares of land from Gujarat and Maharashtra, out of which 1,120 hectares is privately-owned.

Commencement of work on Mumbai-Ahmedabad high-speed rail corridor has opened up the possibility of many such corridors as India tries to shed the image of its rickety railways that continues to remain substandard on most parameters. Nevertheless, till the time results come, the Railway ministry has started looking at other viable high-speed corridor options. One such option is Chennai-Bengaluru-Mysuru corridor, whose feasibility has already been completed and handed over to the Railways by a German team of engineers.

A key finding of the report claims that the 435-km corridor will be a success and will be advantageous by cutting down the travel time and requiring minimum land acquisition. Pegged at $16 billion or Rs 1.14 lakh crore, it is expected to reduce the travel time to just 2 hours and 25 minutes. To be funded majorly by the German Consortium, the corridor is expected to recover its cost in 25 years, mainly through the fare price.

The other high-speed corridors that can be considered are — New Delhi- Kolkata and Nagpur - Mumbai. However, railway officials say it is too early to say anything because of the cost factor involved and how receptive people are of the first corridor. A major lacuna that can put a question mark on high-speed corridors is that it remains a dedicated corridor and cannot be amalgamated with the existing Indian Railways network for interoperability. This stand-alone aspect makes it a very costly proposition that can force the Railways to have a rethink on it.

  1. While there is no single international standard for high speed rail, new train lines having speeds in excess of 250 kilometers per hour (km/h), or 160 miles per hour (mph), and existing lines in excess of 200 km/h (120 mph) are generally considered to be high speed.
  2. The first high-speed rail system began operations in Japan in 1964, and is known as the Shinkansen, or “bullet train.” Today, Japan has a network of nine high speed rail lines serving 22 of its major cities, stretching across its three main islands, with three more lines in development.
  3. The next country to make high-speed rail available was France in 1981, with service at 200 km/h (124 mph) between Paris and Lyon. Today, the French high-speed rail network comprises over 2,800 km of Lignes à grande vitesse (LGV), which allows speeds of up to 320 km/h or 200 mph
  4. Chinese HSR service began operation in 2008, running at speeds from 250 km/h to 350 km/h and traveling from Beijing to Tianjin (117 km). China’s HSR network is expected to reach over 38,000 km by 2025, and 45,000 km in the longer term, far more rail lines than in the rest of the world combined
LONG-TERM PROSPECTS
  • In China, high-speed rail lines have proven their profitability. Throughout Europe and Asia, the lines are providing travel at a lower cost and for a shorter time. HSR is being touted as an alternative to air travel for many of the shorter routes. Advocates say HSR will be able to provide long-term economic and lifestyle benefits for all citizens.
  • Analysts say that HSR is a mature technology, unlike other rail transport like Maglev and hyperloop systems, and so is a much lower risk investment for governments and urban planners.
  • One more prospect which can be looked at is the reduction of cars on roads and highways due to this technology. This means big energy savings and a reduced demand for oil
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-india-s-bullet-train-is-yet-to-gather-speed-2691431
 
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/it-wi...visitors-a-day-among-indias-top-tourist-spots

Breaking Records For Bullet Train Project: India To Issue Its Highest Valued Tender For High-Speed Rail Corridor
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Shinkansen bullet train in Japan. (Carl Court/Getty Images)


India’s bullet train project, which is being developed with Japan’s assistance, is progressing on schedule and will soon issue a tender in relation to the construction of a 508-kilometre corridor between Mumbai and Ahmedabad, as reported by Financial Express (FE).

“In this case, we are promising that by 15 August 2022, the bullet train will start running, that means people will start travelling in it,” said Mr Achal Khare, Managing Director of National High-Speed Rail Corporation (NHSRCL), the company executing NDA government’s ambitious project.

Mr Khare said that the company would soon issue what is billed to be, India’s highest valued tender, amounting to over Rs 1,000 crore. It will involve the construction of the 237-km viaduct and the four stations namely Vapi, Bilimora, Surat and Bharuch.

The project is also expected to provide a fillip to India’s domestic steel industry as 90 thousand tonnes of locally sourced steel will be used in the project's construction. To provide a boost to ‘Make In India’ programme, India has also proposed to manufacture bullet trains in India, thereby cutting costs.

The Rs 1.1 lakh crores Mumbai–Ahmedabad high-speed rail corridor is India's first high-speed rail project. PM Modi and his Japanese counterpart, Shinzo Abe, laid the foundation stone in September 2017. to manufacture bullet trains in India, thereby making them cheaper and ready to be exported to other countries.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/shink...ects-make-in-india-component-being-worked-out

Shinkansen Bullet Trains To Be Modified For Indian Conditions, Project’s ‘Make In India’ Component Being Worked Out

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Shinkansen bullet trains at Tokyo Train Station (Carl Court/Getty Images)


The Shinkansen bullet trains being imported for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad High-Speed Rail Project will have India-specific modifications, Financial Express hasreported. According to the Managing Director of National High-Speed Rail Corporation Limited (NHSRCL), Achal Khare, 24 rakes of the bullet train will be procured initially under the ‘Make In India’ program.

“We are supposed to procure 24 rakes and the two governments (India and Japan) are working on the ‘Make in India’ aspect of the project. The main modifications will be based on the environmental considerations. Our environmental conditions are different from Japan. It is more cold in Japan compared to India. On the other hand, India is hotter compared to Japan,” Achal Khare told Financial Express.

Further, he added that India specific modifications would include removal of heater and addition of dust filters to the train.

Speaking on local manufacturing of the train, Achal Khare said that there would be three phases of ‘Make In India’ and the third phase would have more local content. Further, new trains would be added every ten years to the fleet. Six of the 24 rakes will be earmarked for production in India under the ‘Make In India’ program.

Complete operation of the Mumbai-Ahmedabad High-Speed Rail is expected to begin from 2023.
 
Achal Khare said that there would be three phases of ‘Make In India’ and the third phase would have more local content. Further, new trains would be added every ten years to the fleet. Six of the 24 rakes will be earmarked for production in India under the ‘Make In India’ program.

Complete operation of the Mumbai-Ahmedabad High-Speed Rail is expected to begin from 2023.

there we go :smitten:
 
There is limited demand of High Speed Trains in developing world. India would be well advised to keep the number of lines limited unlike its neighbor. People travelling in High speed Rails do not deserve to be subsidized by state.
 
There is limited demand of High Speed Trains in developing world. India would be well advised to keep the number of lines limited unlike its neighbor. People travelling in High speed Rails do not deserve to be subsidized by state.

Trains do not run on Crude Oil, Aircraft do.

Better to subsidize vehicles that run on electricity than spend ForeEx on importing OIL from the M.E.
 
There is limited demand of High Speed Trains in developing world. India would be well advised to keep the number of lines limited unlike its neighbor. People travelling in High speed Rails do not deserve to be subsidized by state.
I support you bro, use cars instead and continue subsidizing the petrol. =)
 
In China, high-speed rail lines have proven their profitability. Throughout Europe and Asia, the lines are providing travel at a lower cost and for a shorter time. HSR is being touted as an alternative to air travel for many of the shorter routes. Advocates say HSR will be able to provide long-term economic and lifestyle benefits for all citizens.
Totally false. Only 1 line, the Beijing shanghai line has operational profitability, rest all are subsidised by Chinese government.
To say its 10 years is laughable. A lot of other wrong assertions in the article. DNA seems to have a "special" kind of journalist.
 
Totally false. Only 1 line, the Beijing shanghai line has operational profitability, rest all are subsidised by Chinese government.
To say its 10 years is laughable. A lot of other wrong assertions in the article. DNA seems to have a "special" kind of journalist.

True.

Only 1 line in china is profitable. ALL the rest are bleeding them in the billions

It will be interesting to see how long china can maintain this loss making HSR, especially when their economy is not doing so hot and when their debts are mounting.

https://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/how-chinas-railways-are-leading-to-high-speed-debt/88791
 
True.

Only 1 line in china is profitable. ALL the rest are bleeding them in the billions

It will be interesting to see how long china can maintain this loss making HSR, especially when their economy is not doing so hot and when their debts are mounting.

https://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/how-chinas-railways-are-leading-to-high-speed-debt/88791
Some make money and some lose money, we Chinese never only count the money from the passangers, HSR dramastically boosts the local economies , logistics, very often pushed GDP sharply upward of the region it is connected. That's why all end products made in China are much cheaper and delivered faster even that low wage developing countries.
Beijing's subway also runs at a loss, but without it Beijing's traffic will paralyze, subway in Beijing does a tremendous contribution to the city's economy, helps the city become one of the best place for investment, the benefits coming along with it can never be measured by tickets sales.
Indians never have a long term plan and only care about what they can get before their eyes. That's very different from we Chinese.
 
Some make money and some lose money, we Chinese never only count the money from the passangers, HSR dramastically boosts the local economies , logistics, very often pushed GDP sharply upward of the region it is connected. That's why all end products made in China are much cheaper and delivered faster even that low wage developing countries.
Beijing's subway also runs at a loss, but without it Beijing's traffic will paralyze, subway in Beijing does a tremendous contribution to the city's economy, helps the city become one of the best place for investment, the benefits coming along with it can never be measured by tickets sales.
Indians never have a long term plan and only care about what they can get before their eyes. That's very different from we Chinese.

Do not pretend to be an expert on India.

You are not even an expert on China.

There is an ecosystem around any large project and those are secondary benefits. No project feasibility is calculated purely based on such benefits.

Operational profitability is the only sustainable method of running anything successfully for the long term.

Loss making projects are not sustainable if there is no hope in sight.

Its not as if chinese govt. provides you with transparency regarding budget allocation or spending. All you can do is Guess, Hope and Pray.

So spare me the BS.
 
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Do not pretend to be an expert on India.

You are not even an expert on China.

There is an ecosystem around any large project and those are secondary benefits. No project feasibility is calculated purely based on such benefits.

Operational profitability is the only sustainable method of running anything successfully for the long term.

Lose making projects are not sustainable if there is no hope in sight.

Its not as if chinese govt. provides you with transparency regarding budget allocation or spending. All you can do is Guess, Hope and Pray.

So spare me the BS.
You can try the Chinese subway and HSR and see how they work, they are indispensible part China's success story, why China made so much money in such a short span of time, they are part of the answer.
You can forever say the China can't run those infrastrutures at a loss, ports, railways, highways, suways.. but China makes more money with each passing day, probably you will never know how China works, so you too can stop your BS.
 
You can try the Chinese subway and HSR and see how they work, they are indispensible part China's success story, why China made so much money in such a short span of time, they are part of the answer.
You can forever say the China can't run those infrastrutures at a loss, ports, railways, highways, suways.. but China makes more money with each passing day, probably you will never know how China works, so you too can stop your BS.

I never said they don't work.

I said they are not profitable and not sustainable if they are not profitable.

If china was making money on the HSR, it would be profitable, but fact is , its NOT.

Currently its public funds that is sustaining it, and that is only possible if china continues to grow incredibly fast. \

As the article said, As of March, China Railway's total debts stood at RMB 5 trillion

That is close to a Total Debt of 73 Billion USD.
 

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