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India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed

The Arjun Mk-2 in many ways is what the Arjun Mk-1 should probably have been. Tragically, total orders for the Arjun over the next decade are unlikely to exceed 400 to 500 units including the 240 already ordered, plus other variants like the Armoured Repair and Recovery Vehicle (ARRV), Catapult 130 mm Self Propelled Gun and SP-155 gun chassis.

Arjun came out too late, its a good tank, but not worth the trouble of introducing it in large numbers as long as the T-90 tanks exists in service.

SORRY to say again (and again),Arjun MkII is neighther world beater nor among the bests out there.The army is being presented again with an unfinished product,it seems that the technocrats at CVRDE doesn't understand the design aspects of of a modern MBT.

It looks more like the Mk.1 had a few add on gizmos and jaw augmentation.Rather than working to develop a wedge-shaped add-on amour and a redesigned gun mantle (like in Leopard 2A5/A6) the folks at CVRDE did a naive job by emulating T-90 style ERA on Arjun in the name of commonality.Which inevitability blocked the front sights. And they seem to "solve" it by leaving the right side exposed without ERA. I really hope that they plan on moving the front sight to top and redesign the mantle than just leaving it exposed.

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Comparison of Arjun, T-90 and T-72 in ground pressure.

T-72: 0.90 kg/cm2
T-90: 0.87 kg/cm2
Arjun: 0.84 kg/cm2

Should give a rough idea of how low the ground pressure is. 10 tons heavier than the T-90, yet less likely to sink in the sands of Rajsathan.
Wow thats low !!
 
Arjun came out too late, its a good tank, but not worth the trouble of introducing it in large numbers as long as the T-90 tanks exists in service.

0_0 Not worth the trouble?!! We have 500 T-55s to replace. Our fleet of 1500 or so T-72s is being heavily modernised (far cheaper to have just replace it with a better tank). And even though we have a huge number of tanks we need more to be able to effectively cover Pakistani border, and be sure we have reserves for the second line of defense.
 
whats with the weight here ? weighing heavy does not mean it would be a low performaing tank.
 
Mk1 of both Tejas and Arjun are not only inferior but failed compared to our machines. They just gave you another word "MK2" to do d!ck meausring for next 5 years after this they will give you MK3. :lol:
Oh.... 4 th gen LCA with composite body,all axis FBW is inferior to a dum aluminium body 60 km radar range plane..........:rofl:

MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;3291136 said:
so it's better to load your beast the least 'cause the damage in dollars after your "arjun" gets destroyed remains minimum as possible ... :azn: :pakistan:
1 LCH/rudra armed with HELINA will destroy 2 AK.....
 
I don't think that Weight is problem because look at the performance of abram which is much heavier than arjun but still maintain complete dominance over much lighter t-72 and merkava which is design to fight in desert are heavier than Arjun.
 
i don't know why they have left the right side of front without ERA

is it make room for front sights as beckham says?

or for other reason?
 
0_0 Not worth the trouble?!! We have 500 T-55s to replace. Our fleet of 1500 or so T-72s is being heavily modernised (far cheaper to have just replace it with a better tank). And even though we have a huge number of tanks we need more to be able to effectively cover Pakistani border, and be sure we have reserves for the second line of defense.

Those 500 T-55's will be phased out with Arjun, hence the projected figure of 400-500 units (including 240 already ordered + other variants).When its time to replace the modernised T-72s, Arjun will be outdated in comparison with contemporary tanks of the time. On the bright side all those T-72s will instead be replaced with FMBT in around 2020. And what made you think that replacing 1500 T-72s with more life in them with a ~$5 million tank is in any way cheaper ??
 
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here... We do not know how well the army will receive it if and when DRDO delivers what it has promised..

However good the tank is, it is a little too late for proper numbers to be inducted.. Unless the MoD grant some extra funds just for the Arjuns....
 
@Our Pakistani friends,

Indeed the Arjun tank has got several design flaws which are still present in the MkII prototype.Lets examin them,
1.Partially protected side turret-only the frontal 1/3 portion is protected with composite armor with estimated LOS thickness of 40-45 cm,rest is only 10cm RHA plate with storage boxes.
2.Rifled gun-though powerfull as hell but wears down too rapidly and needs more chamber pressure to attain comparable mussel velocity as their smooth barrel counter parts.
3.Gunner's main sight situated in a window cut into the forward turret armor-makes the sight vulnerable to enemy fire and also reduces the LOS thickness at that place.
4.Bigger gun mantlet-thinner armor than rest of the frontal turret.

These are some of the primary weak points of Arjun tank.

Now lets talk about its strong points.
1.Extremely thick forward hull and turret armor.You guys should contact Kunal Biswas,he has some great pictures of cut away Arjun front turret with scale showing the LOS thickness to be more than 100 cm at 0 degree from turret center line.

2.Can fire very long rod single piece FSAPDS ammo,resulting in greater armor penetration.

3.Ammunition is completely isolated from crew into the turret bustle and armored hull ammo chamber sealed by electrically sliding blast door.

4.It is standard practice that during war time the storage boxes on the side turret can be either filled with compressed rubber-ceramic combo or altogether replaced with add on armor modules,securing the turret side.

Ok,now lets talk about Al Khalid and there is nothing to be too much pleased of either because it shares some drawbacks of Arjun along with others.
1.Complete lack of side turret composite armor-turret side is protected with just 80 mm or so RHA plate.

2.Inability to carry modern long rod ammo-the carousel can't hold them.Even the Russian T 90A with redesigned autoloader can't hold penetrators longer than 680mm.

3.Though the gun mantlet is smaller,but it doesn't have armor mask,typical to Soviet/Chinese designes.

4.Thinner frontal turret armor-you can ertimate the LOS thickness of armor cavity from the weld lines visible from the top view of turret.

5.But the biggest drawback is that ammo is not separated from crew-here,the rounds in the autoloader is patially isolated from crew but there is no blow out panels,so in case of carousell breach,slowly but surely the ammo will be cooked off.
Besides,in some weird belief God knows why,Russians,Chinese,Ukranians store ammo in any free space available in the hull and turret.So let me tell you guys two perfect places to hit to destroy an AK-
1.The forward hull roof.
2.Side turret.
Both places are covered with thin RHA plates only and our FSAPDS rounds should have no difficulty in piercing them.And once either of these two places is pierced,the rnund will hit the unprotected ammo reserves-one can only think about the horrible situation of the crew.
Sadly this is the case for our T 90S and T 72M1s also.But that's a different story.

Now coming to the advantages.Well,
1AK is cheaper,can be mass produced in more numbers and is quite a bang for the buch.

2.Greater range and mobility and power to weight ratio.

3.Lesser weak spots in the turret front,GMS is situated on the turret roof and safer from enemy fire.

4.Smooth barrel gun ensures better longivity and interoperability with Ukranian/Chinese/Russian rounds which increases operational flexibility.
So,as we can see,neither of these two is world beater and there is a lot of room left to be improved.However,after saying so,I would like to say that Arjun excells in protection and fiqepower where as AK is ahead in mobility and operational flexiblity.
I know that after this comparison,I will be termed as biased towards Arjun but I can't do much about that.Because I have tried to be as much technical as possible.

And to both Pakistani and Indian members,PLEASE don't jump imto arguement winning competitions and don't believe in every thing told by reporters or developers blindly.Instead do the research in hard way,start reading some good books on armor development of various countries.There are some famouse authors like Steven Zaloga,Richard P. Hunicutt,Rolf Hilmes etc.I would have happily helped you to find and download these books from net at free of cost but singce the USA has banned megaupload,all those books are now lost.
 

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