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It's interesting.. Its very vast. Did any Chinese get Noble prize?
India's aircraft carrier design may have major defects.
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It's interesting.. Its very vast. Did any Chinese get Noble prize?
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No Indians are not incompetent race, you guys are just consummate fvck ups
https://www.ajaishukla.com/2021/08/the-aircraft-carrier-ins-vikrant-is-12.html
The aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, is 12 years late and 13 times the budgeted cost
INS Vikrant's first sea trials have gone well. There will be a series of trials to validate all its equipment and combat system
By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 14th Aug 21
Amidst media fanfare, India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-1), the 40,000 tonne INS Vikrant, went out to sea last week, for its first sea trial.
“Trials progressed as planned and system parameters proved satisfactory,” stated the navy on INS Vikrant’sreturn to Cochin Shipyard Ltd (CSL), where it was built.
Alongside the jubilation, however, lies a saga of shortfalls and ineptitude – in planning, obtaining sanctions, designing, construction and financing – that has caused a delay of 12 years in building the aircraft carrier and shot up its cost 13 times.
Furthermore, the MiG29K and MiG29KUB, the carrier’s primary fighters, spent more time in the hangar than in the air, with fleet serviceability remaining below 50 per cent.
The details lie in a report of the Comptroller & Auditor General – Report Number 17 of 2016, hereafter “the CAG report” – and in replies given by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to Parliamentary questions last year.
An aircraft carrier navy
An aircraft carrier, which is essential for gaining sea control, is central to the Indian Navy’s operational requirements and fleet doctrine, says the CAG report, underscoring India’s tradition of being “an aircraft carrier navy”.
The Navy’s carrier tradition dates back to March 1961, when it commissioned its first aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant. The 19,500 tonne vessel had earlier served the Royal Navy as HMS Hercules.
During that same period, the Royal Navy commissioned HMS Hermes, in 1959 – a 28,700-tonne aircraft carrier. In 1987, when India’s defence spending was at an all-time high, it joined the Indian navy fleet as INS Viraat.
But two carriers were inadequate, the Indian Navy calculated, for an emerging regional power with a 7,500-kilometre coastline, power projection ambitions, and two distinct sea sectors – the Arabian Sea to the west and the Bay of Bengal to the east.
The CAG report says the Indian Navy Perspective Plan (1985-2000) envisaged a need for three aircraft carriers, of which two would be operational at any given time (one on each coast), with the third in refit. This was reiterated in the Maritime Capability Perspective Plan, 2012-27.
To achieve this force level, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) cleared construction of an IAC in May 1999. The Navy formulated staff requirements (SRs) – listing a warship’s functions, features and performance – in September 1985, envisioning a carrier of about 35,000 tonnes.
In December 1988, a contract was concluded with DCNS, France (now renamed Naval Group) for the concept design of what was termed a Sea Control Ship (SCS).This was to be a mid-sized aircraft carrier that could destroy enemy naval forces, suppress enemy sea commerce, protect vital sea lanes, and establish local military superiority in vital sea areas.
DCNS’s concept design, presented in March 1990, concluded that a carrier of around 37,500 tonnes was required. But, the economic crunch of the early 1990s forced the navy to drastically pare the SRs, limiting the carrier to just 19,500 tons.
In May 1999, with the Kargil conflict imminent, the Navy insisted on getting a more capable carrier. The original INS Vikrant had been decommissioned two years earlier and INS Viraat was due for major refit. The MoD proposed to the CCS the construction of an indigenously designed Air Defence Ship (ADS) – as the IAC/SCS was termed in the MoD’s proposals of May 1999 and October 2002.
The cost of the ADS was projected at Rs 1,725 crore, with delivery in 8-10 years.
In October 2002, with the Indian and Pakistani militaries having spent almost a year in eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation in Operation Parakram, the MoD told the CCS that the importance of sea control and power projection demanded a 37,000 tonne carrier.
Accordingly, the MoD revised the cost of the ADS from Rs 1,725 crore to Rs 3,261 crore – still grossly inadequate. Delivery was to be in eight years, i.e. in December 2010.
“Thereafter, the Ministry again proposed (March 2014) to the CCS a revision in cost of the aircraft carrier to Rs 19,341 crore along with revision in its delivery schedule from December 2010 to December 2018, which was approved (July 2014) by the CCS,” notes the CAG report.
Since then, senior naval sources say that the cost of IAC-1 has risen to 23,000 crore.
With INS Viraat due to retire in 2016-17 and no replacement in sight, a stopgap was clearly essential. Eventually a Russian carrier – the Admiral Gorshkov – was commissioned into the navy in November 2013. “The Indian Navy’s operational readiness and maritime capability will be affected due to the availability of only one aircraft carrier,” notes the CAG report.
Planning and Design
CSL, the shipyard that would build INS Vikrant, had no experience of warship construction. Yet DCNS’ recommendations to augment its capabilities were only partially implemented. “There is continuing disagreement over project timelines between the Indian Navy and CSL, with realistic dates for delivery yet to be worked out,” notes the CAG report.
Furthermore, “Non-availability of steel delayed commencement of hull fabrication whereas late receipts of critical equipment like diesel alternators and gearboxes delayed launching of the ship,” says the report.
The gravest delays afflicted the Aviation Facilities Complex, which handles all flying operations. This has not yet been delivered.
MiG29K/KUB Aircraft
The MiG29K, which Russia designed to operate off INS Vikramaditya, was also chosen for INS Vikrant as “the mainstay of integral fleet air defence.”
Yet the CAG report says the MiG-29K, “is riddled with problems relating to airframe, RD Mark-33 engine and fly-by-wire system…. Serviceability of MiG29K was low, ranging from 15.93 to 37.63 per cent and that of MiG29KUB ranging from 21.30 to 47.14 per cent.”
Furthermore, the MiG-29K’s full mission simulator, on which pilots are trained to operate off aircraft carriers, was found unsuitable, “as the (simulator’s) visuals did not support the (mission) profile.”
The Navy says INS Vikrant will be commissioned in 2022. Even so, the navy would still need to evaluate the Aviation Facilities Complex by carrying out flying trials with the MiG-29 – which will carry on into 2023.
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Please do elaborate on the same. Was there a Naval war happening during Feb/ March 2019?
According to Google Earth Imagery, In between Feb & March 2019, among western fleet's vessels none of IN's Kolkata class DDGs, 1 Delhi class DDG (undergoing refit) & 2 Talwar class FFGs (1 undergoing refit) are seen at Mumbai naval base. INS Vikramaditya was on deployment during April 2019 (no imagery for Feb/March available) & was not to be seen at Karwar. Rest of the ships cannot be located at the anywhere. Please do tell us if you know better about the same.
Pakistan Navy still remains woefully under- equipped to deal with newer addition to Indian surface fleet, let alone a CBG.
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No, another Hallmark moment waiting to happen.
Hope the Chinese Satellites are monitoring in [HD].
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Please... Keep thinking like that
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There were a lot of hostilities between the two countries after India attempted and failed to hit some seminary in Balakot and Pakistan did counter strikes next day against Indian army installations, both countries were on the brink of a war.
Not sure about other IN ships but it sent its carrier into Bay of Bengal out of harms way as India knew if war does breaks out the Carrier would be a prime target for PN.
And PN didn't hide it's intentions either.
Remember it was around this period that what you call underpowered PN also detected and tracked another Indian Sub.
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This is the most foolish satememt ever ..........Regardless of the source being pakistani or a paid propagandist like shukla
Vikrant cost India $3 billion dollars @ 40,000 tonnes its a meduim sized carrier
QE carrier cost uk closer to $8 billion at twice the size
13 times over budget means some idot thinks Vikrant budget was $250 billon .
Well you cant buy or build a frigate for that much weighing 4000 tonnes
Hence I SAY STUPID comment by ALL
No no.. Chinese scientist and world reowned and world class.. Their design and physics helps to land working rover on Mars and Moon.. unlike some who put a flipped turtle on Moon
But the problem is, it don't work. Rock like a bump boat and not fit to be aircraft carrier.
At least Queen Elizabeth works as advertised. This indian aircraft carrier shall rework as a helicopter carrier to prevent more death for indian pilot...
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Doesn’t this also depend on how fast the ship is traveling? If it is going at top speed then choppy waves is to be expected I think.
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When they will add few jets and all their accessories, armament, fuel, foods for all the crews, etc… the weight will go up, and then will the carrier behave same way ?
Sea state is quite calm. That is why he start this thread to comment about it. You can imagine if sea state is worst. This aircraft carrier totally not legible to launch any aircraft.
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to launch fighter the AC has to travel at full speed
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No no.. Chinese scientist and world reowned and world class.. Their design and physics helps to land working rover on Mars and Moon.. unlike some who put a flipped turtle on Moon
But the problem is, it don't work. Rock like a bump boat and not fit to be aircraft carrier.
At least Queen Elizabeth works as advertised. This indian aircraft carrier shall rework as a helicopter carrier to prevent more death for indian pilot...
not just flipped, smashed into pieces shit
a big fucking joke, Indians, their incompetence is beyond my imagination
a calm sea like this?
look first picture, they obviously missed the Bulbous bow, fucking idiots
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