Indians take actual social revolution while common Pakistanis return to the status as VIP footrests

[Donatello]

BBC News - Delhi chief Arvind Kejriwal swears to end 'VIP culture'

Delhi chief Arvind Kejriwal swears to end 'VIP culture'

Anti-corruption activist Arvind Kejriwal has vowed to end Delhi's "VIP culture" as he was sworn in as the Indian capital's chief minister.

The ceremony took place at an open ground, the Ramlila Maidan, in front of thousands of cheering supporters.

Mr Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) won 67 of 70 seats in the state assembly, trouncing both the mainstream parties.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which won a landslide in last year's general election, was reduced to three seats.

It was a major setback for Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Congress, historically the biggest party in Delhi, was wiped out.

"I knew the people of Delhi love me, but I didn't know they love me so much," Mr Kejriwal reportedly quipped at the ceremony.

'Corruption-free Delhi'
During his inauguration speech, Mr Kejriwal said he would end the "VIP culture" that privileges politicians above ordinary citizens - for instance, allowing them to bypass the gridlocked city traffic.

"In developed countries, even PMs wait at bus stands. Why can't the same happen here?" he said.

"We want to end the VIP culture in this country."

As Usual, India is showing signs of actual social change while Pakistanis are busy returning to their usual slave like existence after attending a few concerts. They are happy being cut off in lines by the bigger fish, happy waiting in traffic or at airports, happy to turn up every morning and ask for their daily shoe to the face.

Dear Oscar,

I understand where this is coming from, but let' be honest and realistic, what steps have been enforced in reality in India? Talk is easy and cheap.

 

[nair]

Dear Oscar,

I understand where this is coming from, but let' be honest and realistic, what steps have been enforced in reality in India? Talk is easy and cheap.

Nothing much has changed, and no one expecting a great change either..... Kejriwal's way of politics is totally different from what we have been experiencing...... There are several good things on his way of politics....... But there are several issues with his way of politics also....... One need to admire his ability to attract attention..... He is soo different that he set agenda for everything and others has to follow....

 

[Donatello]

Nothing much has changed, and no one expecting a great change either..... Kejriwal's way of politics is totally different from what we have been experiencing...... There are several good things on his way of politics....... But there are several issues with his way of politics also....... One need to admire his ability to attract attention..... He is soo different that he set agenda for everything and others has to follow....

Vladmir Lenin also had a great ability to attract attention, so did Hitler. Or Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
Change has always come from unconventional ways and thinking.....that is one thing that perhaps we can agree on. But let's be honest, we need to be careful, that just for the 'change' are we going to lose the sight of the bigger picture? Akin to missing the forest for the trees? What if there is underlying danger we cannot see now?
A very fine example is that of the 1917 October Revolution in Russia, where the Bolsheviks seized power after overthrowing the ages old Tsar system. However, at the time Russia was piss poor, having missed out on the industrial and capitalist revolution of the main land Europe due to the authoritarian regime, the Bolsheviks presented their ideology of the 'socialism' and equal human status for all, etc. During those hard times, the general populace was awed at this sort of setup, but we all know what really happened. In contrast, the Mensheviks argued that Russia needed to go through a capitalist form of development before it can support a socialist structure, the Bolshevik disagreed and as the population wanted immediate change (they were sick and tired of the Tsardom) they went with the Bolsheviks. I am sure Russians agree that it was the most failed system they put in place, after Lenin came Stalin, who took the brutality of the Tsardom to a different high ground. In contrast, Europe did go through Industrial development first, and only then did those states (France, Sweden, Germany, Britain, Netherlands, etc) enact socialism and increased government intervention.

So my point being, what seems good today might not actually be best in the long run. I know you and i are tired of the 'system' in place, but albeit it's a predictable one. So anyone who comes up with some challenge to the system today, will seen in a different light, whether it is AK for India or IK for Pakistan.
BTW, 1980s, MQM came into being for the same reason as well, they wanted to protect their Muhajir brethren and setup against the more dominant Punjabis, Pashtuns and Sindhis.

 

[acid rain]

Dear Oscar,

I understand where this is coming from, but let' be honest and realistic, what steps have been enforced in reality in India? Talk is easy and cheap.

There are a number of checks and balances for any drastic change to happen...the system is like the hive run by the umbrella corporation in resident evil..A lot of checks and balances and multiple defense mechanisms. An individual, an organization, a movement whatever it may be will bang it's head against the hive, fail and if smart will adopt the system to stay alive Instead of turning to dust.

No one can beat the system...even if Kejriwal becomes the PM..The basis is so strong.

 

[GORKHALI]

BBC News - Delhi chief Arvind Kejriwal swears to end 'VIP culture'

Delhi chief Arvind Kejriwal swears to end 'VIP culture'

Anti-corruption activist Arvind Kejriwal has vowed to end Delhi's "VIP culture" as he was sworn in as the Indian capital's chief minister.

The ceremony took place at an open ground, the Ramlila Maidan, in front of thousands of cheering supporters.

Mr Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) won 67 of 70 seats in the state assembly, trouncing both the mainstream parties.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which won a landslide in last year's general election, was reduced to three seats.

It was a major setback for Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Congress, historically the biggest party in Delhi, was wiped out.

"I knew the people of Delhi love me, but I didn't know they love me so much," Mr Kejriwal reportedly quipped at the ceremony.

'Corruption-free Delhi'
During his inauguration speech, Mr Kejriwal said he would end the "VIP culture" that privileges politicians above ordinary citizens - for instance, allowing them to bypass the gridlocked city traffic.

"In developed countries, even PMs wait at bus stands. Why can't the same happen here?" he said.

"We want to end the VIP culture in this country."

As Usual, India is showing signs of actual social change while Pakistanis are busy returning to their usual slave like existence after attending a few concerts. They are happy being cut off in lines by the bigger fish, happy waiting in traffic or at airports, happy to turn up every morning and ask for their daily shoe to the face.

U turn CM in his last tenure accepted CM car and CM bungalow.The less we talk about this guy ,the better is for us.

 

[Viper0011.]

Lets talk after a couple of years....he is another Mamata, mayawati, mulayam in the making. He is already supporting khalistani and jamaati scum and has a big fan base in Pakistan...what does that tell you?

See bold part above: It tells me that India and Pakistan can ACTUALLY become peaceful and people from the region can one focus on trade and good relationships. That India, can actually turn into a modern, secular state vs. a 100% Hindu country by 2030 where all minorities will be forced to change their religion or leave India.

It also tells me that India can ACTUALLY become a roll model for a region with a symbol of peace an democracy for others to follow. Even with her military might. Taking BJP, RSS lover back on the back seat would do wonders to the Indian society. These guys will cause wars, religious tensions and will one day pretty much put a black mark on Indian democratic system that, if you read Gandhi and others teachings, was a peaceful place to live for all. You need people in leadership that can make all different fractions of people come together. Not trying to turn the country into a 100% Hindu nation. You can make MORE progress if all your internal differences, people and religions work together for ONE India, not 100% Hindu India.

 

[Donatello]

U turn CM in his last tenure accepted CM car and CM bungalow.The less we talk about this guy ,the better is for us.

There is nothing wrong with accepting 'CM Car and Bungalow', because if the state provides for these things to it's servants, then why not? The idea is, how not to abuse your power. Chief Ministers, Ministers, Judges, Governors are all servants of the nation. They work most effectively when they do their own job and not meddle where they don't have to.

 

[GORKHALI]

There is nothing wrong with accepting 'CM Car and Bungalow', because if the state provides for these things to it's servants, then why not? The idea is, how not to abuse your power. Chief Ministers, Ministers, Judges, Governors are all servants of the nation. They work most effectively when they do their own job and not meddle where they don't have to.

No I don't see its wrong but then you giving lessons about VIP culture to other.You promised people about freebies and suddenly U turned while blaming central for their failures.

 

[metronome]

There is nothing wrong with accepting 'CM Car and Bungalow', because if the state provides for these things to it's servants, then why not? The idea is, how not to abuse your power. Chief Ministers, Ministers, Judges, Governors are all servants of the nation. They work most effectively when they do their own job and not meddle where they don't have to.

but he has a dangerous socialist bent, he could turn out to be anti development and hold us back.. cronyism is intrinsic to capitalism, I don't like it and we need regulation and enforcement to protect everyone from it but if he gets into class politics and sets off on an appeasement agenda we're heading right down a commie hell hole..

BJP wants everyone to have a net connection and tablets, this guy will end up with everyone being handed a broom lol

third world with max percentage of destitute poor here in India, we need capital inflow for infra development etc to uplift our people, dole does not work.

 

[acid rain]

See bold part above: It tells me that India and Pakistan can ACTUALLY become peaceful and people from the region can one focus on trade and good relationships. That India, can actually turn into a modern, secular state vs. a 100% Hindu country by 2030 where all minorities will be forced to change their religion or leave India.

It also tells me that India can ACTUALLY become a roll model for a region with a symbol of peace an democracy for others to follow. Even with her military might. Taking BJP, RSS lover back on the back seat would do wonders to the Indian society. These guys will cause wars, religious tensions and will one day pretty much put a black mark on Indian democratic system that, if you read Gandhi and others teachings, was a peaceful place to live for all. You need people in leadership that can make all different fractions of people come together. Not trying to turn the country into a 100% Hindu nation. You can make MORE progress if all your internal differences, people and religions work together for ONE India, not 100% Hindu India.

That's all fine..About the Hindutva factor...I look at it as a defence mechanism to safeguard the oldest faith from rampant conversion tactics adopted by Abrahamic religions. ..I am a born RC Catholic and I know what kind of practices certain shady fly by night christian churches adopt to convert gullible hindus away from heir faith. ..they even convert muslims. ..muslims adopt various shady methods to convert everyone.

Hindus are extremely tolerant in nature..but when it comes to a question of their own existence because of the practices of Muslims and protestant churches they start thinking twice.

 

[Viper0011.]

That's all fine..About the Hindutva factor...I look at it as a defence mechanism to safeguard the oldest faith from rampant conversion tactics adopted by Abrahamic religions. ..I am a born RC Catholic and I know what kind of practices certain shady fly by night christian churches adopt to convert gullible hindus away from heir faith. ..they even convert muslims. ..muslims adopt various shady methods to convert everyone.

Hindus are extremely tolerant in nature..but when it comes to a question of their own existence because of the practices of Muslims and protestant churches they start thinking twice.

Are you actually a catholic? lol. "gullible Hindus"??? lol. You are going to tell me the hundreds of millions of smart people who have shown their brain power from India to the US ans Canada and in between are "gullible"? I hope you realize that the average IQ in India-Pakistan is above average, which is why, no matter where you go on the planet, you are bound to see Doctors, Scientists, Engineers from the South East Asia more than anyone. Obviously, Indian population is 7 times more so you'd naturally see more Indians than Pakistanis, etc. But there is no "guilelessness" in there.

And how is forcing others to change to Hinduism right? That was the topic. If Christians do it (right now the biggest missionary network, I agree),they don't threaten others to convert or be killed or else. They convert based on Jesus's teachings and those appeals to people as there is the concept of humans, equality, mercy and peace. Same goes for Islam or Judaism. As long as people are trying to spread the natural and original scripture vs. what the idiots like ISIS or Taliban believe in. But no one in this process tells other to be a nation of 100% Christians and be forced to convert by force, supported by the government. So why "save your existence" by forcing others to change through force??

 

[CMYX4BJ]

Voting modiji to power and getting rid of the gandhi mafia/dynasty/monarchy/autocracy was actual social revolution ,not ak49.
Modiji - a tea seller, a man with no family(thus no greed and nothing to gain from corruption) , first in his family to take up politics(started off an a simple RSS worker)

 

[acid rain]

Are you actually a catholic? lol. "gullible Hindus"??? lol. You are going to tell me the hundreds of millions of smart people who have shown their brain power from India to the US ans Canada and in between are "gullible"? I hope you realize that the average IQ in India-Pakistan is above average, which is why, no matter where you go on the planet, you are bound to see Doctors, Scientists, Engineers from the South East Asia more than anyone. Obviously, Indian population is 7 times more so you'd naturally see more Indians than Pakistanis, etc. But there is no "guilelessness" in there.

And how is forcing others to change to Hinduism right? That was the topic. If Christians do it (right now the biggest missionary network, I agree),they don't threaten others to convert or be killed or else. They convert based on Jesus's teachings and those appeals to people as there is the concept of humans, equality, mercy and peace. Same goes for Islam or Judaism. As long as people are trying to spread the natural and original scripture vs. what the idiots like ISIS or Taliban believe in. But no one in this process tells other to be a nation of 100% Christians and be forced to convert by force, supported by the government. So why "save your existence" by forcing others to change through force??

The "gullible" folks are the tribals and the poor that these missionaries and madrasseh mullahs target for conversion, if one thinks logically then their triggering of defense mechanism makes sense because Hindus are trying to bring back those that these Abrahamic conversion tactics converted from their religion..besides India is the only Hindu country in the world against 58 muslim countries and the same number of Christian countries. As a christian I don't approve the tactics that these missionaries employ to convert poor folks

Having said that, Christianity is not a major threat as compared to Islamization because christians in India aren't violent and their women aren't breeding machines but as far as muslims conversions go, that's a real threat. Muslims generally are divisional in nature and basically violent towards non muslims when they are in any form of a majority. If and when there will be a sizeable majority in India is when all hell will break loose. As it is, there are multiple areas that resemble the no go zones of the west but even worser when it comes to India..no one can safely go to these areas..These areas where there are almost no non muslims are the den of crimes and other anti social activities..you never know what you will find there including terrorist cells...we refer to such areas or ghettos as mini Pakistan's.

India is a land of many religions and many cultures, there is a delicate equilibrium in place and trouble starts when this equilibrium gets disturbed for e.g. In Assam where rampant illegal immigration of Muslims from Bangladesh has changed the complete demography of that state and it's on the verge of becoming a failed state filled with terrorist networks and extremists.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Yeah, been assassinated for over 50 years. After which the Indian common man has been put under the shoe till recently when something happened in Pakistan and India woke up. Try not to be an arse when trying to prove credit.



Completely fake analysis. You are mistaking capitalism or socialism as some sort of analogy to VIP Culture when there is NOTHING of that sort. A VIP culture has NOTHING to do with billionaires being forced to travel in buses, it has to do with undue privileges being given to one man at the expense of the other, please understand what is a phenomenon before dragging in tangents to somehow prove your political allegiance elsewhere. Its a typical subcontinent pithy and short-sighted mentality to think that good only comes from their political choice and only bad from the other side. Sadly, its everywhere.

Actually the real Anti-Corruption Party long before AAP came into picture was LOK SATTA PARTY (its leader Jaya Prakash narayana)started long before any such things happened in both countries, it was in 2008 elections i guess,do read about that party you will know what i mean.Even i being a Bjp supporter will vouch and support them(Lok Satta Party) for their clean image.

 

[Viper0011.]

if one thinks logically then their triggering of defense mechanism makes sense because Hindus are trying to bring back those that these Abrahamic conversion tactics converted from their religion..

Having said that, Christianity is not a major threat as compared to Islamization because christians in India aren't violent and their women aren't breeding machines but as far as muslims conversions go, that's a real threat. Muslims generally are divisional in nature and basically violent towards non muslims when they are in any form of a majority.

As it is, there are multiple areas that resemble the no go zones of the west but even worser when it comes to India.

India is a land of many religions and many cultures,.

You are not a Christian. If you are so against your own principles, you should convert to Hinduism. Here, you've given me BJP's propaganda instead of common sense. So just because over a BILLION Hindus have defense mechanism kicking in, that means they continue to kill other religions in the name of Hindutva or whatever you call it? You are justifying the forceful change in your post above, from other religions to Hindusim.....how is it any different than what the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and the ISIS is trying to do? They are trying to create ONE Islamic nation right? And here, you guys are trying to create ONE Hindu nation by force, violent and threats. So...how are "muslims" breeding hate different and Hindu fanatics killing minorities, wanting forceful conversions of everyone in India to Hinduism for decades different???? I'd love to see your logic here. Remember, the ISIS, Al-Qaeda do bomb blasts and all, and fanatic Hindus burn homes, kill minorities and burn down vilages so tactics are different but the goal is the same between both groups, that is, to spread their religion by violent force and threats. So tell me why muslims as you defined are terrorists and Hindus doing the same thing for their religion are God's love to the planet???? To me and to anyone with common sense, both are terrorist machines trying to disturb the peace and threaten innocent lives!