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Indians scale down in Afghanistan

First of all i am against any clamping down of Indian presence in AF...However lets look at things in perspective...

a) After the latest attack on Indian fascility there is a definite security concern. As far as groups that have been adviced(considering the news is true) are people working at grass root level to help Afghan people... Now if they are adviced to stop their mission on security ground how come its running away from AF??? I can uderstand the same notion had we reduced our diplomats or Consulates(which are symbol of GOI presence)...Isn't it????

b) Can't it be that we want to ensure that we have appropriate security before we take on these projects???

c) We all know about GOP issue with Indian presence...and they have a very succesful(as per Mr. Quereshi) US trip, in fact more succeful than expected....Can it be a reponse to increase Pakistan's confidence level on US request????

People here are just jumping on the gun without reading the news in detail... All i can see is our Pakistani friends think that India is running with her tail in legs...I know that mood is upbeat in Pakistan and good luck with that...However simply writing off Chankayan diplomacy might not be a good idea...
 
Ahmad, My point is even Taliban didn't towed PK's line to letter T. What happens if somebody having less favourable view of PK policies comes to power in AF post-US exit. Other than that I don't have view on Durand issue. You (AF) and PK now better abt it.

The so called Northern Alliance is always having negative view of paksitan because paksitan supported and armed their enemies. but if they hold power, they will never ever raise the issue of Durand line. but i can agree with you that pakistan has a problem of finding friends in afghansitan.
 
Why is everyone forgetting one of the major neighbors of Afghanistan here? Tajiks and the Iranians? They wont sit quiet now if the glory days of the Fanatic Taliban is revived.
 
Yes, Indians have been eased out of the equation in Afghanistan as of right now. Im sure Obama's trip to Kabul, Moscow blasts are interlinked !

Last I heard Karzai is not happy with Americans and does not want to play their game for all we know the final roll of dice is still left, if the Govt in Af is quasi friendly to India or the terror tap is hsut down as a result of Taliban coming into power..it wont be the worst result for India



Okay, maybe i wasn't clear in my earlier posts, Pakistan wants control or at least influence over Afghanistan because the only other power that may do that , is India, after the US and NATO forces leave. Pakistan cannot afford to have India on two sides of it's borders. Go ahead and search how many Airforce Squadrons and Army Corps are located on Western front? Not many. They don't intend on doing so either. If India leaves Afghanistan, actually it would be best for everyone.

As for Iranians and Tajiks, well Tajikistan wants peaceful neighbors and with Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan taking strength and the Americans calling is alongside the role of Al-Qaeda and Taliban, i think Tajikistan could be less concerned with Afghanistan. Remember Uzbekistan is also among their neighbors.

Iranians already have a hardlined Islamic rule, i don't see how Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan might affect that, even if Taliban form a government, or some of their leaders do, which is actually whats happening now, it might be safe to assume that Iran is strong and capable enough to nullify any negative effects of such a government.

Maybe when Taliban do come to power and the Afghani people realize that they are the worst form of humans, they might decide to migrate, to Iran or Pakistan.
 
Why India holds true to its Afghan ambitions - The Globe and Mail
Mar. 31, 2010

In the middle of a dry plateau, the main problem for India's mission in Afghanistan was marked with a line in the desert. A ragged edge of pavement marked the spot where Indian road crews stopped after paving most – but not all – of a highway through southeastern Kandahar. The final kilometres of the road sat unfinished for years, after threats against the Indian workers forced them to halt.

Security concerns have dogged everyone who tried to make a difference in Afghanistan, but India faces additional risks. It sends thousands of aid workers, diplomats, and other staff into the war zone without any regular troops to protect them. Despite the risk, India has been reluctant to pull its people back. Its rivalry with Pakistan is ample reason to maintain a presence in the country, no matter how dangerous it gets.

But as the violence steadily increases, that policy is proving difficult to maintain. The killing of nine Indians in Kabul in February sparked speculation about whether the country would leave Afghanistan, and some Indian medical staff did in fact leave Kabul after the attack. It is a trend that has been quietly developing for months. Despite committing $1.2-billion (U.S.) and building some of the most successful projects in Afghanistan, the worsening situation has forced India to scale down its ambitions in Afghanistan.

After the fall of the Taliban in 2001 New Delhi doled out money for major infrastructure in Afghanistan. The biggest projects were highways, which ran into trouble as the insurgency grew. In Nimroz province, one stretch of tarmac cost the lives of 10 Indians and an estimated 50 Afghan security guards.

Since the highway formally opened last year, India has concentrated on smaller, less-visible projects, mostly items that can be completed within six months or a year and costing less than $1-million. “Taliban attacks on Indian nationals have escalated, raising costs, delaying projects and jeopardizing further development,” said a paper published last month by the Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi.

India has strong reasons to tough it out, despite the risks. Plans by Canadians and Dutch to reduce their military presence in the coming 18 months are viewed with concern in India. Even more worrying are plans by the United States to begin drawing down their forces in July, 2011. Indian analysts say their country cannot afford a similar move; insurgent activities in Afghanistan are usually interpreted in New Delhi as the result of conspiracies hatched in Pakistan – an idea occasionally backed by Western intelligence. Any slowdown in the pace of Indian construction projects, any cut in the work force of 3,500 to 4,000 Indians in the country, would be viewed as a victory for Pakistan.

“India cannot afford to move out,” said Vikram Sood, a former head of India's Research and Analysis Wing, the country's leading intelligence agency.

“It's not just for Afghanistan's sake,” Mr. Sood said. “Once we pull out, the Pakistanis will get even bolder. Not just in Afghanistan, but also in Kashmir. It will give them a base to operate. Afghanistan is a piece of real estate to Pakistan, and they will use it against us.”

Of course, Pakistan says the same thing about India's mission. New Delhi likes to portray itself as a purely humanitarian donor in Afghanistan, but it has toughened its contingent with hundreds of paramilitary forces from the Indo-Tibetan Border Police. Those security forces keep a low profile in Afghanistan, and even stay out of the spotlight after returning to India. Nor has India properly explained why it requires consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar, two cities in Afghanistan near the Pakistan border with little demand for Indian consular services.

During a conversation at an empty restaurant in New Delhi, a serving Indian intelligence officer acknowledged the obvious reason. Gesturing at a map of the region, he pointed to Pakistan's eastern border. “We watch them from this side,” he said. Then, indicating the Afghan-Pakistan border, he added: “But we have to keep an eye from this other side, too.”

Such activities raise hackles in Pakistan, which gets nervous about Indian agents operating so close to its western flank. Some Pakistani officials even accuse India of using its outposts in Afghanistan to foment rebellion in its border provinces. Those concerns would only get worse if, as some commentators are now suggesting, India were to increase its paramilitary forces or even deploy regular troops.

“The question now is, how do we keep momentum?” said Vishal Chandra, an associate fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi. “Some say we should send in troops, but I personally feel that's not possible. You have the supply and logistics problems, but also sending troops to a neighbouring country would create a whole new dynamic.”

So if India cannot pull back from the dangerous parts of Afghanistan, but also feels understandably reluctant to escalate the situation by sending in troops, what options remain? Mr. Sood suggested that India needs to talk with the de facto rulers of Afghanistan's rural areas, maintaining relations with the northern warlords who received Indian support in previous decades but also forging new connections with the southern Taliban groups. A Taliban spokesman was quoted in recent days saying the insurgents want “normal” relations with India, and newspaper reports in New Delhi this week described senior government officials opening dialogue with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the leader of an insurgent militia and major ally of the Taliban.

For his part, Mr. Chandra said he's young enough to remain optimistic that Pakistan and India might some day sit together and assist with peace talks in Afghanistan. But like many observers in India, he remains skeptical that negotiations will end the war.

“If you leave,” he said, gesturing with his tea cup at his Canadian visitor, “you will have to come back eventually.”
 
I am looking at the afgan story entirely from a different angle

Let assume that americans leave afgan,then what

americans required pakistan all these time for just the sake of american lives in afgan

i am really looking towards the u.s pak relation once they leave afgan

do they continue to give mass military and economic aid to pakistan in the name of WOT

americans have got a real appreciation in pak as back stabbers and r known to cut down sale of military equipments to pak even after reaching an agreement.

even if indians have to leave afgan i am not that concerned as any turmoil there do not affect us directly,though we loose an imp strategic base

once again as far as northern alliance and karzai remains in afgan,an indian presence will b always there,nobody can take out that
 
Obama's ****** policy may be the reason for Indias current decision,I dont think its because of recent terror strikes.

Agree, i think probably the recent developments over the past few months regarding Indias role in Afghanistan!
 

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