Indians being brainwashed into believing Pakistan is the enemy: Naseeruddin Shah

[takeiteasy]

Naseerudhin Shah may be talking on his own personal perspective. The enemity between India and Pakistan is a religious one. Muslims vs Hindus. It is a very old thing and will stand until both of them mellows down on religiousness considerably. A North Indian Hindu may be as devoted and aggressive as a Pashtun Muslim in religiousness PLUS they have $$$ and RSS(BJP). That's why we see BJP in the power. Hindus collectively have great hate for Muslims for what the invaders did to Indian subcontinent. So does Muslims too.

Rightwing Hindu organizations like RSS carries this hate and multiplies it with their brainwashing. In ancient India, Badla was a common system. People remember the enemy and vows to destroy him and his clan and this enemity goes for centuries. When Islamic invaders wreck havoc in the India region, Hindus were confused and were in-fighting and divided. British united subcontinent and formed Indian union and now they want revenge and will possibly have more hatred for Pakistan, Arabia and any Muslims. Christians, Yazidis, Ahmedis, Boudhs all surrenders for the Islamic aggression. But, it seems RSS powered Hindus will not spare Islam and Muslims until they feel they find the ancient revenge fulfilled.

they just might feel closer to Srilankan Muslims

Mappila Muslims are different sect (Shafi) and they're closer to Arabs and similar people like bearys, coorgi mapple etc.

 

[livingdead]

LOL....so you mean we have "terrorist camps" in Kashmir ?

We have 1000 terrorists in India waiting to cross over into Pakistan ?

I believe we support separatists in pak, may be even other type of violence(not sure, but VK Singh did say some mysterious things which can be interpreted that way)

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

I believe we support separatists in pak, may be even other type of violence(not sure, but VK Singh did say some mysterious things which can be interpreted that way)

You are free to believe that Aliens kidnap people and does anal probe too........ that is not of my concern.

Provide Facts or evidence or qualified reports or STFU.

 

[Sky lord]

that is true unfortunately.. the 24/7 media needs to show some balance ... it always shows India as victim of pak sponsored terror..

So what should they do? Assume that the tunnels under the international border dug itself ? Assume that the well trained and well equipped killers that appear in Kashmir just apparate? Assume that 26/11 never happened? Assume that Dawood Ibrahim really lives in Switzerland ? India unfortunately IS a victim of Pak sponsored terror, and it is not just the Indian media that says so, every briefing to the US congress has said the same thing, UK says it,even Sri Lanka recently sent back some Pakistanis for spying. Every book and report by Brookings, think tanks every where says the same thing... What special information do you have not to believe all these people?

 

[livingdead]

So what should they do? Assume that the tunnels under the international border dug itself ? Assume that the well trained and well equipped killers that appear in Kashmir just apparate? Assume that 26/11 never happened? Assume that Dawood Ibrahim really lives in Switzerland ? India unfortunately IS a victim of Pak sponsored terror, and it is not just the Indian media that says so, every briefing to the US congress has said the same thing, UK says it,even Sri Lanka recently sent back some Pakistanis for spying. Every book and report by Brookings, think tanks every where says the same thing... What special information do you have not to believe all these people?

I am not saying they dont do it, i am saying we do too..currently we think pakistanis are ruled by some immoral evil people( like a bollywood villian, with zero positive trait), and we are the victim. I dont accept that. We are people of similar mindset and heritage, there is no way we can remain innocent.

 

[Sky lord]

I am not saying they dont do it, i am saying we do too..currently we think pakistanis are ruled by some immoral evil people( like a bollywood villian, with zero positive trait), and we are the victim. I dont accept that. We are people of similar mindset and heritage, there is no way we can remain innocent.

What did we do to Pakistan like 26/11 ? ... You seem to know a lot of "hidden" things, when did we ever send terrorist to Karachi to mow down innocents ? How many people who bombed 100s in Pakistan do we give shelter to in Mumbai? Do we push drugs and counterfeit money hidden under bags of cement? If we are in fact doing all these things how come nobody find any evidence for it. Pakistan is crawling with CIA operatives , yet the CIA does not accuse India of fomenting terror.

You can't fix a problem if you refuse to see it .

Pakistan is fomenting terror in India, you have to face that

 

[livingdead]

What did we do to Pakistan like 26/11 ? ... You seem to know a lot of "hidden" things, when did we ever send terrorist to Karachi to mow down innocents ? How many people who bombed 100s in Pakistan do we give shelter to in Mumbai? Do we push drugs and counterfeit money hidden under bags of cement? If we are in fact doing all these things how come nobody find any evidence for it. Pakistan is crawling with CIA operatives , yet the CIA does not accuse India of fomenting terror.

Well, did not a top US general said we are being naughty in afganistan? You seriously believe our presence in afganistan is benign only?
why do you think our operations will be replica of ISI op?

 

[Sky lord]

Well, did not a top US general said we are being naughty in afganistan? You seriously believe our presence in afganistan is benign only?
why do you think our operations will be replica of ISI op?

So being "naughty" in Af ( whatever that means ) is the same as training and equipping terrorists to come intro a city and mow down people going about there ordinary lives?

Seriously, you need to grow a pair !!!!

 

[IceCold]

MMS was spine less ; he thought that being nice ; talking endlessly ; meeting your leaders
inviting them for cricket matches ; TYING the hands of Indian Army
will make Pakistan change its attitude toward India

In fact there is a total consensus in India that his Pakistan policy was his BIGGEST failure

As far as what Modi has done ; ask your establishment ; what he has done

How much they OBSESS about Modi

You must be having some contacts in Pakistan Army

Public statements mean nothing

What makes Pakistan SO desperate for Talks with Modi being in power

Why you have to request Obama to put pressure on India to talk to Pakistan

You are as delusional as your leader Modi was when he came to power. The Hawks in Modi's sarkar thought they could escalate on the border and LOC and that will bring Pakistan to its knees specially when we are engaged in a full fledge conflict and supposedly force Pakistan to change its attitude towards India. They could increase the covert activities inside Pakistan which though resulted in large number of deaths of Pakistanis including our children, but the only thing that came out of all of this was a more determined Pakistan.

Also you are misinformed about us requesting Obama to put pressure on India to resume talk because we never backed out from talks to begin with but the thing we did ask of Obama was to put a leash around Modi ji otherwise all bets are off, Americans understood and the same was conveyed to your leader. Now you can confirm this if you want from your contacts f you have any.

As for asking my military contacts about what Modi has done, one word "Nothing" that your previous leaders havent done or tried. The only difference is Modi is more proactive in his approach and does not like to mask his true ambitions towards us. This approach is actually beneficial for us. Now even leaders like Nawaz dont sing the mantra of Improving relationships.

 

[livingdead]

So being "naughty" in Af ( whatever that means ) is the same as training and equipping terrorists to come intro a city and mow down people going about there ordinary lives?

Seriously, you need to grow a pair !!!!

pair of what? does accepting the likelihood(I am fairly certain though) that we were involved in troubles inside pakistan makes me look..weak?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Well, did not a top US general said we are being naughty in afganistan? You seriously believe our presence in afganistan is benign only?
why do you think our operations will be replica of ISI op?

Again I will say the same thing
Who started it ; first in Punjab then in Kashmir

OK let us even go further 1947 ; 1965 ( 1971 was revenge for 1965 )

What about Kargil ; As our PM was going to Lahore they made use of the peace process
to launch Kargil attacks

What about the training to terrorists like Dawood ; Bhatkals ;
bomb blasts all over India ; then finally 26 / 11

If we had NOT started giving back ; would they have ceased their actions

 

[livingdead]

Again I will say the same thing
Who started it ; first in Punjab then in Kashmir

OK let us even go further 1947 ; 1965 ( 1971 was revenge for 1965 )

What about Kargil ; As our PM was going to Lahore they made use of the peace process
to launch Kargil attacks

What about the training to terrorists like Dawood ; Bhatkals ;
bomb blasts all over India ; then finally 26 / 11

If we had NOT started giving back ; would they have ceased their actions

I never said we should not retaliate..just dont take moral high ground.. dont say they are baddies and we are innocent.. trying to fend off their attack..
am sure a pakistani will go back and point how we started it all,but then at this point after 65 years, it does not matter who started it anymore.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

You are as delusional as your leader Modi was when he came to power. The Hawks in Modi's sarkar thought they could escalate on the border and LOC and that will bring Pakistan to its knees specially when we are engaged in a full fledge conflict and supposedly force Pakistan to change its attitude towards India. They could increase the covert activities inside Pakistan which though resulted in large number of deaths of Pakistanis including our children, but the only thing that came out of all of this was a more determined Pakistan.

Also you are misinformed about us requesting Obama to put pressure on India to resume talk because we never backed out from talks to begin with but the thing we did ask of Obama was to put a leash around Modi ji otherwise all bets are off, Americans understood and the same was conveyed to your leader. Now you can confirm this if you want from your contacts f you have any.

As for asking my military contacts about what Modi has done, one word "Nothing" that your previous leaders havent done or tried. The only difference is Modi is more proactive in his approach and does not like to mask his true ambitions towards us. This approach is actually beneficial for us. Now even leaders like Nawaz dont sing the mantra of Improving relationships.

You are fully entitled to your opinions
Let me remind you ; you started this discussion by bringing Modi
into it

That just shows how much Pakistan is OBSESSED with Modi

why it is so ; you know better

 

[Sky lord]

pair of what? does accepting the likelihood(I am fairly certain though) that we were involved in troubles inside pakistan makes me look..weak?

Balls

It does not make you look weak...it makes you look a little ..... Well, Like my aunt who thinks she can talk to dead people.....you don't know what you don't know.....so far no believable authority has accused India of supporting anything hungama in Pakistan ...and it is not like the US is shy of saying whatever they think ....

 

[Stephen Cohen]

but the thing we did ask of Obama was to put a leash around Modi ji otherwise all bets are off,

Delusion at its best ; all you got was a measly foreign secretary visit
with no promise to talk in future ; no outcomes nothing just a photo op

I never said we should not retaliate..just dont take moral high ground.. dont say they are baddies and we are innocent.. trying to fend off their attack..
am sure a pakistani will go back and point how we started it all,but then at this point after 65 years, it does not matter who started it anymore.

It does matter ; If you dont know how it all started ; then you are in the wrong place