Indians and Russians have same origin

[xyxmt]

India should throw are the south Indians in the ocean and ask Russians to migrate to India

 

[Joe Shearer]

Can you please let us know the large number of loan words found in Tamil ? Thank you

Please do your own homework; I understand your anxiety, given the dreadful source you quoted for Sanskrit, rather than Prakrit, being the stem language for modern Indian Aryan languages.

Before the advent of Dravidian politicians, the pure Tamil movement was started in early 1900s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanittamil_Iyakkam

Do you understand that the face that there was a 'pure Tamil' movement needed in the first place gives us all a clue as to the state of the language at the time? Or did that skip past?

Using Karunanidhi , a Sanskritised name of Tamilnadu politician as an example is rather a weak example, as most Tamil Hindus have adopted Sanskrit names. By your logic a Tamil Muslims with the name Abdul Kalam is an e.g of Arabic loan words in Tamil ?

As it happens, there are Arabic loan words in Tamil. You might like to add it to your homework.

There are many Tamil politicians with pure Tamil names , e.g Kanimozhi (Karunanidhi's daughter), Tamilisai (BJP Tamilnádu leader) Vel Murugan (founder Tamilar Valvurimai Katchi ) Thirumanavalan (Viduthai Chitruthagai Katchi ) ThiruMurugan (May 17 Movement) Anbumani (Pattali Makkal Katchi) Elangovan (INC Tamilnadu) Moppannar (INC) Pannirselvam ( Ex Tamilnadu CM) Annadurai (founder DMK party)

And? Your point being?

Old Tamil words seen in Sanskrit
https://aruniyan.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/words-claimed-to-be-sanskrit-origin/

You seem to think that there is a contest going on between Tamil and Sanskrit. There is none, except among underdeveloped mentalities who seize on the most unlikely and unpromising subjects to make a personal point.

Nowhere was it implied that there was no reverse loan of Tamil words into Sanskrit. It would be more accurate, of course, to re-state that to say that there was a reverse loan of Dravidian words into Sanskrit; the point of separation of the various Dravidian languages is not yet beyond controversy.

TAMIL/TAMIZH IS THE OLDEST DRAVIDIAN LANGUAGE
https://elscitech.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/tamiltamizh-is-the-oldest-dravidian-language/

I am disappointed by your quest-for-Olympic-gold approach. It might well be that Tamil is the oldest Dravidian language. But whether that is or not is not established by silly little blogs. Please respect yourself and your own position, since you seem to have none for others.

Sanskrit - The Mother of All Languages

Considered to be the oldest language in human history, Sanskrit is the progenitor and inspiration for virtually every language spoken in India. This article traces the origins and history of this venerable language.

http://bhashaindia.com/Patrons/LanguageTech/Pages/Sanskrit.aspx

I suggest that you use academic resources for your scrabbling around for quick information on the subject. Not this bizarre array of blogs and self-promoting and totally baseless sites. It is depressing to see the shallow approach brought to this issue. Please do us all the favour of reading up on these issues before posting next.

 

[manlion]

Please do your own homework; I understand your anxiety, given the dreadful source you quoted for Sanskrit, rather than Prakrit, being the stem language for modern Indian Aryan languages.

Its you who made the dubious claim on many loan words in Tamil, so obviously the onus rest upon your to show the academic evidence. The same applies with your claim on Arabic loan words in Tamil.

you understand that the face that there was a 'pure Tamil' movement needed in the first place gives us all a clue as to the state of the language at the time? Or did that skip past?

Tamil is not dependent on Sanskrit loan words, what you seem to miss is , theres no need for Tamil to loan words from Sanskrit, Tamil has its equivalent pure words e.g Sri (S) Thiru (T) Surya (S) Gnayiru (T)

As it happens, there are Arabic loan words in Tamil. You might like to add it to your homework.

provide academic evidence

You seem to think that there is a contest going on between Tamil and Sanskrit. There is none, except among underdeveloped mentalities who seize on the most unlikely and unpromising subjects to make a personal point.

Nowhere was it implied that there was no reverse loan of Tamil words into Sanskrit. It would be more accurate, of course, to re-state that to say that there was a reverse loan of Dravidian words into Sanskrit; the point of separation of the various Dravidian languages is not yet beyond controversy.

I am disappointed by your quest-for-Olympic-gold approach. It might well be that Tamil is the oldest Dravidian language. But whether that is or not is not established by silly little blogs. Please respect yourself and your own position, since you seem to have none for others

I suggest that you use academic resources for your scrabbling around for quick information on the subject. Not this bizarre array of blogs and self-promoting and totally baseless sites. It is depressing to see the shallow approach brought to this issue. Please do us all the favour of reading up on these issues before posting next.

Its you who started this contest between Sanskrit and Tamil, dont expect me to do your homework, i.e to counter your stupid examples based on Tamil politicians Sanskrit names,

Some people had a wrong notion that Tamil cannot exist without the help of Sanskrit. Caldwell’s researches helped to dismiss this wrong notion and declared that Tamil could exist / survive independently without the help of any other language. His magnum opus served as a base to change the status of Tamil which was humiliated for centuries by the dominance of Sanskrit. 33

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am busy, @manlion; come back next year.

 

[manlion]

 

[艹艹艹]

I want to know what the Russians think

 

[manlion]

Sanskrit is not the mother of Dravidian languages. Family tree of Dravidian languages, the mere presence of Sanskrit vocabulary to some Dravidian languages doesnt mean they originated from Sanskrit. Tamil belongs to Proto South Dravidian I ,Kannada was the first languages to break away from Tamil , while Malayalam was the last.

 

[shootingstar]

Who are Tamil gods?

 

[manlion]

Who are Tamil gods?

what an idiotic question, they are all the gods that the present Hindus worship - the Aryan Sky gods have ceased to exist . No more stupid questions , please !!!

Lynn Ate, a Doctorate in Classical Tamil Literature, from the US, who has been researching on religious reference in Sangam literary works for the past four decades, notes, “Early Tamils defined God as immanent, existing within a space. They demarcated sacred space with a flag post and worshipped it. That’s why we still find Kodi Maram only in the temples of the south.”

She adds, “In contrast to the Vedic gods which were sky-dwelling, the Dravidian deities were positioned on earth. The concept of God was not placed upon a pedestal and was more accessible.”

http://www.thehindu.com/features/me...the-roots-of-the-tamil-god/article6808508.ece

 

[shootingstar]

what an idiotic question, they are all the gods that the present Hindus worship - the Aryan Sky gods have ceased to exist . No more stupid questions , please !!!





http://www.thehindu.com/features/me...the-roots-of-the-tamil-god/article6808508.ece

I just asked a simple question. Why are you so defensive?

So do Tamils worship Alexander?

One of Muruga’s names is Skanda, which is actually derived from the word ‘Sikandar’, denoting Alexander the Great. “Alexander rode a horse and carried a lance in hand. The similar kind of imagery was attributed to Lord Muruga and hence he got the name Skanda,”

 

[shootingstar]

It needs to be clarified that only Non-Tamils in India have same origin as Russians. Tamils originated from the blacks of Africa.

 

[manlion]

I just asked a simple question. Why are you so defensive?

So do Tamils worship Alexander?

One of Muruga’s names is Skanda, which is actually derived from the word ‘Sikandar’, denoting Alexander the Great. “Alexander rode a horse and carried a lance in hand. The similar kind of imagery was attributed to Lord Muruga and hence he got the name Skanda,”

Murugan has nothing to do with Skanda or Karthikey etc of North Indian Hinduism. Murugan is the mountain (kurunji) God of ancient Tamils (refer Sangam literature).

Archaeological findings of pottery and relics in several places in Tamil Nadu, particularly in Adichanallur had ideographic inscriptions of this name and show signs that Murugan worship was prevalent at least as early as 10th century B.C, if not earlier.[5]

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Murugan

His closest counterpart is Sumerian supreme God - Marduk

Sumerian seal (neo Babylonian period) , Marduk priest worshiping the lance/spear, symbol of Marduk with the Tree of Life behind him (Tamil - kodi maram/flag tree). The lance/spear worship was prevalent in ancient Tamil society before the advent of Idols.

Murugan Vs. Skanda: The Aryan Appropriation of a Tribal Dravidian God
http://www.academia.edu/14375699/Mu...Aryan_Appropriation_of_a_Tribal_Dravidian_God

Murugan's symbols - Star of David, Peacock, Rooster, snake, are associated with Yezidism. Plus they share a same new year

Similar to the Peacock Angel, his sacred animals include not only the peacock but also the snake and the rooster, the herald of the dawn and the awakening (Skt. bodhi) of the slumbering mind into full ecstatic awareness or gnosis.

Yezidi with sanjak

Tamils with sanjaks

does these similarities mean Tamils and Yezidis worship the same personality or share a similar culture ?

Morrigan Celtic War Goddess
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/celtic-mythology.php?deity=MORRIGAN

the links, e.gs and pictures proves Murugan is not Hinduism's Skanda and should dispel the confusion over Murugan and Skanda