Indian universities trail Chinese in research

[lem34]

Sadly for Indians India is not in the same league as China in this department :

India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

About 40 million primary school-age children in India are not in school. More than 92 % children cannot progress beyond secondary school. According to reports, 35 per cent schools don’t have infrastructure such as blackboards and furniture. And close to 90 per cent have no functional toilets. Half of India’s schools still have leaking roofs or no water supply.

Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people. In the prestigious Academic Ranking of World Universities by Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong, only two Indian Universities are included. Even those two IITs in India found only a lower slot (203-304) in 2007 report. Although Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.

 

[Shinigami]

Sadly for Indians India is not in the same league as China in this department :

India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

About 40 million primary school-age children in India are not in school. More than 92 % children cannot progress beyond secondary school. According to reports, 35 per cent schools don’t have infrastructure such as blackboards and furniture. And close to 90 per cent have no functional toilets. Half of India’s schools still have leaking roofs or no water supply.

Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people. In the prestigious Academic Ranking of World Universities by Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong, only two Indian Universities are included. Even those two IITs in India found only a lower slot (203-304) in 2007 report. Although Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.

spewing crap about india safely tucked away in a far away country,

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do u want me to bring pakistan into this?

 

[India defense]

whoa man, sometimes some fact-checking can be useful.

China must win Copy Paste Nobel prize....

 

[punjabimunda]

Sadly for Indians India is not in the same league as China in this department :

India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

About 40 million primary school-age children in India are not in school. More than 92 % children cannot progress beyond secondary school. According to reports, 35 per cent schools don’t have infrastructure such as blackboards and furniture. And close to 90 per cent have no functional toilets. Half of India’s schools still have leaking roofs or no water supply.

Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people. In the prestigious Academic Ranking of World Universities by Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong, only two Indian Universities are included. Even those two IITs in India found only a lower slot (203-304) in 2007 report. Although Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.

ill give u an easy answer, which i think u can understand.
1. we r a country of 1.2 billion people vs 180 million still be have 80% literacy rate as compared to pakistan which has 50%.
2. we face huge problems in all fields but since independence we have benn struggling hard to feed our massive polulation and simulataneously develop a nation which today the world calls a potential superpower(pakistanis have right to reject it )
3. we r the 10th in scientific production and with 15% growth we r posied to be at no 3 after china and us in 2017.
4. we r increasing science expenditire from 0.9% to over 2% this year that will make it over 100 billion per year. so watch out india is getting even ahead.

 

[harpoon]

nobel prize is a political prize.

it gives peace prizes to obama, who has murdered thousands of lives in wars.

only indians think the opinion of the white man is important.

Nobel prize for peace was always a political choice..I thought you were clever enough to understand that..My Bad.

 

[Gnimgnay]

Please...now are you saying that China is not getting any Nobels bcs there is no Hans in the Nobel Committee.

Otherthan Nobel (Peace), all other categories are strictly selected on merit. If China produces something of value, you will not be overlooked by the Nobel Committee.

In nowadays, it takes a huge number of money to build labotary facilities where a physics/chem/med noble-price result can come out. China doesn't have this scale of funding.
However, China (and India) did pretty well on Math and Computer. Chinese scientists did receive fields medals and turing awards. In those field, not funding but people's intelligence is the determined matter.

Well, another thing to complain is a lot of talented Chinese reseachers went to US and Europe for better research environment. Same thing happened to India, imo.

ill give u an easy answer, which i think u can understand.
3. we r the 10th in scientific production and with 15% growth we r posied to be at no 3 after china and us in 2017.
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If India and China get all of their researchers in US back. They can immidiately rank No. 2 and 3 and be very close to US

 

[Yeti]

China has a better education system to India when it comes to primary and further education it is ahead of India.

 

[punjabimunda]

In nowadays, it takes a huge number of money to build labotary facilities where a physics/chem/med noble-price result can come out. China doesn't have this scale of funding.
However, China (and India) did pretty well on Math and Computer. Chinese scientists did receive fields medals and turing awards. In those field, not funding but people's intelligence is the determined matter.

Well, another thing to complain is a lot of talented Chinese reseachers went to US and Europe for better research environment. Same thing happened to India, imo.


If India and China get all of their researchers in US back. They can immidiately rank No. 2 and 3 and be very close to US

100% true building a lab like chalk river labs of canada is no problem for india and china. but the results they have produced wont be produced for many yrs.

in most american unis professorship is dominated by chinese, indians and russians. they were a big asset we lost. even today the trend continuous. china and india are top 2 immigrat countries to us. we loose a big chunk of our assets.

 

[MilSpec]

Most of Indian universities are graduate factories, very few have the funding needed for research... that the model it has long followed

 

[Gnimgnay]

100% true building a lab like chalk river labs of canada is no problem for india and china. but the results they have produced wont be produced for many yrs.

Things are moving fast. I don't think either India or China was capable to build CRL back in 1950s. And now even you have reactors like that, most of relating exps have already been done.
Now, you need things like ITER, CERN, Sudbury Neutrino Observatory to do cutting edge experiments, which I don't think India or China are building...

 

[IndoUS]

The thing is both India and China have great human capital, its just we lack in utilizing it. In this case India is the worst, China has done great deal of work and has created better base for its scientist and well educated class off people. India can learn from China and invest more in keeping these young minds and opening up the field where more people can find jobs in India rather than moving to other countries.

 

[ephone]

There is no need to compare China with India unless one is the No. 1 on earth. However, none of them are.

For academic research, most No. 1 are either in U.S. institutions or Europe institutions.

So drop this type of useless comparisons.

Indian universities trail Chinese in research
NEW DELHI, Mar 24, 2012, DHNS:
Deep chasm separates centres of higher learning in two Asian giants

 

[punjabimunda]

Things are moving fast. I don't think either India or China was capable to build CRL back in 1950s. And now even you have reactors like that, most of relating exps have already been done.
Now, you need things like ITER, CERN, Sudbury Neutrino Observatory to do cutting edge experiments, which I don't think India or China are building...

they are international efforts. we r partners of cern and iter. thats the way to go for now. building something like cern from scratch or even previous knowledge could take half a century. currently both countries are repeating achievements of west whch they did decades ago. all these nuclear subs, space programs, nuclear programs are a result of that. china is ahead of india no doubt. i would say that due to massive sizes of classes in china quality of research is being compromised. otherwise it is impossible that a country which will soon produce most research papers wins 1 nobel prize in a decade and citation one of the lowest. we gotaa work on quality. ppl prefer to read papers from a country like norway over india and china. my engineering prof is japanese and he said a class of engineering in china is = 5 classes of our uni. an easy way to produce more papers.

 

[Gnimgnay]

they are international efforts. we r partners of cern and iter. thats the way to go for now. building something like cern from scratch or even previous knowledge could take half a century. currently both countries are repeating achievements of west whch they did decades ago. all these nuclear subs, space programs, nuclear programs are a result of that. china is ahead of india no doubt. i would say that due to massive sizes of classes in china quality of research is being compromised. otherwise it is impossible that a country which will soon produce most research papers wins 1 nobel prize in a decade and citation one of the lowest. we gotaa work on quality. ppl prefer to read papers from a country like norway over india and china. my engineering prof is japanese and he said a class of engineering in china is = 5 classes of our uni. an easy way to produce more papers.

Hmm, I am not quite sure by which the "class" you mean, the number of students in one class? Well, for fundamental class, it's 100-300, for advanced specified classes, it's 20-100. It's similar to US. At least in top tier schools.
The paper quantity is a more and more emphasized factor to evaluate the research strength. But how accurate it is? Almost all of the good journals are in English. This is a huge disadvantage for Japanese and Chinese researchers. As I know, many top Chinese/ Japanese groups in engineering don't publish articales a lot, since many students and professors don't feel comfortable to write in English. That's also why I think people underestimate Japanese Sci/tech. There are a lot of excellent results in Japenese-based journals.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

In nowadays, it takes a huge number of money to build labotary facilities where a physics/chem/med noble-price result can come out. China doesn't have this scale of funding.
However, China (and India) did pretty well on Math and Computer. Chinese scientists did receive fields medals and turing awards. In those field, not funding but people's intelligence is the determined matter.

Well, another thing to complain is a lot of talented Chinese reseachers went to US and Europe for better research environment. Same thing happened to India, imo.


If India and China get all of their researchers in US back. They can immidiately rank No. 2 and 3 and be very close to US

no excuse; lots of chemistry/condensed matter physics/materials science can be done with self built (!!!) equipment that fits on a tabletop. also, there's theoretical/computational chemistry and physics.

brain drain is far more serious.