Indian universities trail Chinese in research

[beijingwalker]

Indian universities trail Chinese in research
NEW DELHI, Mar 24, 2012, DHNS:
Deep chasm separates centres of higher learning in two Asian giants

Chinese higher education institutions are three times ahead of their Indian counterparts in research performance, a new comparative study has shown, exposing the deep chasm between the centres of higher learning in two Asian giants.

The top 20 Indian institutes producing doctoral students are way off behind Chinese universities and institutes producing PhDs, according to an analysis by CSIR National Institute of Science Communication and Information Resources, here.

The comparison is made on the basis of three quality parameters and quantity of research output. Peaking University, which tops the list from the Chinese side, is almost three times ahead of India's best performing institute—Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore.

“As China is three times ahead of us, we will have to spend three times more in higher education to catch up,” Gangan Prathap, NISCAIR director who did the analysis, told Deccan Herald. The study has been published in the March 25 issue of the journal Current Science.

The Indian institutions whose performances were studied include seven Indian Institutes of Technologies, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, eight leading universities, two medical schools—All India Institutes of Medical Sciences in Delhi and Post Graduate Institute of Medical Sciences, Education and Research in Chandigarh — and Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advance Scientific Research.

The eight universities are: Delhi University, Punjab University, Pune University, Banaras Hindu University, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Jadavpur University, Hyderabad University and Madras University. All of them are beaten hands down by their Chinese counterparts.
However, the comparison does not include research councils like CSIR, ICAR and ICMR as well as institutes directly under government’s scientific departments.

“If you throw peanuts, you will only get monkeys. It is not possible to do any credible research in the universities with the kind of budgetary support we receive,” commented N Raghuram, associate professor at Guru Govind Singh Indraprastha University in Delhi, who is not involved with the NISCAIR analysis.

Despite substantial jump in higher education allotment in the 11th plan, the lion's share went to 15 new central universities, staff salary and setting up of infrastructure leaving little money available with the scientists to buy consumables for research.

In most universities, almost half of the departmental budget for consumable is spent for practical examination further draining the research budget. “On the contrary, China spent a lot on research in universities and there is a tight monitoring system to ensure that the money is not wasted,” said Raghuram. The new performance comparison comes three months after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said China had overtaken India in scientific research.

Addressing the Indian Science Congress in Bhubaneswar in January, Singh laid stress on strengthening the supply chain of the science sector. “The problem is that the government focuses on top of the line, neglecting the bottom,” said Raghuram.

 

[punjabimunda]

ohh but how many nobel prize china has won?

well great job china. we r trippling our research expenditure this fiscal so, its all good.

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

Nothing new or shocking

Even our Prime minister said that India is trailing behind China in Science. Also one can easily judge it by number of papers and patents published by China is much higher than India.

So well done, China.

 

[beijingwalker]

money and fund mean everything in this field,you can't expect much with very strained funds.only rich countries can throw in big money in this field.

 

[punjabimunda]

money and fund mean everything in this field,you can't expect much with very strained funds.only rich countries can throw in big money in this field.

truu, we got money dude. we will let our ppl die on roads, but keep building rockets, printing more papers. anyways even with current rate of growth 14% india is all set to be 3rd largest science producer by 2018 beating all europe and japan, now our pm has asked to 3x the expenditire, so it will happen even faster.

but neither indian nor chinese quality will reach ther anytime soon. america on avg wins 7 nobel prizes a year. this is equal to what india(9) and china(8) have won since independence.

 

[kingkobra]

it is because our government does not give research grants to universities...
but i guess from this year we have started to give such grants...

 

[protest]

Money is the key. If GOI is bent on subsidizing the education, no amount of research could be done. Even corporate India is lagard in this regard.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

truu, we got money dude. we will let our ppl die on roads, but keep building rockets, printing more papers. anyways even with current rate of growth 14% india is all set to be 3rd largest science producer by 2018 beating all europe and japan, now our pm has asked to 3x the expenditire, so it will happen even faster.

but neither indian nor chinese quality will reach ther anytime soon. america on avg wins 7 nobel prizes a year. this is equal to what india(9) and china(8) have won since independence.

That's because the nomination committee for the Nobel (different from the judging committee) is American.

 

[Roybot]

http://cs-test.ias.ac.in/cs/Volumes/102/06/0827.pdf

The third, and probably the best of the three quality proxies, is ER (or excellence rate). This indicates the percentage of an institution’s scientific output that is included into the set formed by 10% of the most cited papers in their respective scientific fields, and serves as a measure of the high-quality output of research institutions. Again, the ratio ER/10 allows one to normalize this proxy so that the world average becomes 1.

The 239 Chinese HE institutions have a exergy total of 560,500, for an average X/institution that is 2345.2. Correspondingly, the 85 Indian HE institutions have 184,709 and 2173 respectively. This implies that at this level, the ratio of exergies is 3.03, giving a rough estimate for the ratio of research done by the HE sectors of the two systems. In policy terms, this can be interpreted to mean that to match the Chinese effort in research contributions of the HE sector, India needs to scale up its own HE system by a factor of 3.

 

[saiyan0321]

in developing countries science is one of the last departments that gets funding but without a doubt congrats china but would get a whole hearted congrats when they surpass america

 

[harpoon]

That's because the nomination committee for the Nobel (different from the judging committee) is American.

Please...now are you saying that China is not getting any Nobels bcs there is no Hans in the Nobel Committee.

Otherthan Nobel (Peace), all other categories are strictly selected on merit. If China produces something of value, you will not be overlooked by the Nobel Committee.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Please...now are you saying that China is not getting any Nobels bcs there is no Hans in the Nobel Committee.

Otherthan Nobel (Peace), all other categories are strictly selected on merit. If China produces something of value, you will not be overlooked by the Nobel Committee.

The Nobel Prize is a private prize. Its methodologies have been called into question by numerous PhD holding scientists. Most of all, Nobel Prize does not correlate very strongly to scientific strength. India, Nigeria, Pakistan, all hold more Nobel Prizes than Korea (zero). Yet Korea is widely known, rightly or wrongly, as a country with some high tech.

 

[Rig Vedic]

anyways even with current rate of growth 14% india is all set to be 3rd largest science producer by 2018 beating all europe and japan

whoa man, sometimes some fact-checking can be useful.

 

[WS-10 Engine]

nobel prize is a political prize.

it gives peace prizes to obama, who has murdered thousands of lives in wars.

only indians think the opinion of the white man is important.

 

[punjabimunda]

The Nobel Prize is a private prize. Its methodologies have been called into question by numerous PhD holding scientists. Most of all, Nobel Prize does not correlate very strongly to scientific strength. India, Nigeria, Pakistan, all hold more Nobel Prizes than Korea (zero). Yet Korea is widely known, rightly or wrongly, as a country with some high tech.

tru but south korea only has stregth in a few fields mainly electronics. they have not produced huge amount of scientists in physics, chemistry or medical. electronics is their main source of economic development and 90% of their engineers join this field. even scientists from the most poorest and unknown countries in the world have won nobel prizes, but china only wins once a decade. when pakistan's abdus salam won the nobel prize he was called upon by south korean science committe to give a lecture that how he was able to make it to the top of science world from a poor country and they failed to do so. make some respectable contribution u will succeed.