Indian troops attacked Chinese officers who went for negotiations: Diplomat

[Reashot Xigwin]

Since China may not has any fatalities, so it is impossible for the dead to be remembered for them, unless they are to remember the dead indians?

Besides, there will be many tapes and pictures about this events, they usually show this to the PLA soldiers internally, whilst since PLA released all the captives back to india, despite of whatever indian novelists' stories, these soldiers with first-hand experience will tell their stories internally among the frontline indians.

So morale for both sides are the least thing China needs to worry about, all of the retired PLA soldiers or even high-rank officers talking about this event in a mocking tune nowadays in China's social networks.

Besides, if you believe war is fight by morale, then you are sadly mistaken, war is mostly fight by strategies, technologies, organizations and disciplines, these are the essence of a military power, without these morale can quickly collapse when the tide is not on your side.

Besides all others, the lack of organization and disciplines are the primary weakness of indian military force, thats the impression the old-gen PLA officers/soldiers had with indians, and this impression has been reinforced among the PLA military cycles in this recent encounter.

Thats why the one thing that the PLA or even the outside, like the americans, observed that the morales of indians can collapse overnight (According to the americans, during the 1962 war the US witnessed how a huge country like india lost its entire confidence and morale just overnight and at an epic scale).

Because without organization and disciplines, morale is just a mirage, especially morale built upon internet rumors without any proof.

This is mostly about accountability. If China can't even be bothered to list their dead how can they even be trusted with anything? Barrack rumor is a nasty thing to those who have served or so I have been told. What do you think the soldiers would feel if one of their own have died but not even listed as K.I.A? The family & public will no doubt are going to start asking questions.

This is face-saving political move pure & simple. What odd is that the real numbers would be revealed anyway so it's essentially a pointless move on the CCP part.

 

[faithfulguy]

This is mostly about accountability. If China can't even be bothered to list their dead how can they even be trusted with anything? Barrack rumor is a nasty thing to those who have served or so I have been told. What do you think the soldiers would feel if one of their own have died but not even listed as K.I.A? The family & public will no doubt are going to start asking questions.

This is face-saving political move pure & simple. What odd is that the real numbers would be revealed anyway so it's essentially a pointless move on the CCP part.

If there are any Chinese death, than failure to recognize this fact would hurt the morale. So the likely scenario is that Chinese side suffered injuries but no death. Zero death. In this case, not saying anything is the correct thing to do as it would tone down loss of face for the Indians. Given that India loss territories and was clobbered.

Bragging and kicking others while they are down might be an Indian practice. But definitely not for others.

 

[Beast]

This is mostly about accountability. If China can't even be bothered to list their dead how can they even be trusted with anything? Barrack rumor is a nasty thing to those who have served or so I have been told. What do you think the soldiers would feel if one of their own have died but not even listed as K.I.A? The family & public will no doubt are going to start asking questions.

This is face-saving political move pure & simple. What odd is that the real numbers would be revealed anyway so it's essentially a pointless move on the CCP part.

If u did bother to dig deeper. All Chinese soldiers are standard equip with kelvar bullet proof vest, kneel and elbow guard with oxygen supply tank. Plus war helmet. While Indian soldiers lack such luxury. It's not surprising when comes to one to one combat who will come out victories.

 

[SuperStar20]

According to India script, India killed hundreds of PLA soldiers. So why are u complaining so much?

If there are any Chinese death, than failure to recognize this fact would hurt the morale. So the likely scenario is that Chinese side suffered injuries but no death. Zero death. In this case, not saying anything is the correct thing to do as it would tone down loss of face for the Indians. Given that India loss territories and was clobbered.

Bragging and kicking others while they are down might be an Indian practice. But definitely not for others.

Everyday new story from CCP and so called social media. Some members here claim that they have pic and video.
So many twists to the CCP story/script to keep up.

 

[Beast]

The weapon PLA soldier bring with them for the Galwan valley confrontation.

 

[52051]

This is mostly about accountability. If China can't even be bothered to list their dead how can they even be trusted with anything? Barrack rumor is a nasty thing to those who have served or so I have been told. What do you think the soldiers would feel if one of their own have died but not even listed as K.I.A? The family & public will no doubt are going to start asking questions.

This is face-saving political move pure & simple. What odd is that the real numbers would be revealed anyway so it's essentially a pointless move on the CCP part.

China has never disclosed casualities in official channel in the past to general public in a timely manner, that doesn't affect their morale much, since morale is the byproduct of past military history together with current military ongoing outcomes, whilst the outcomes play a larger part.

And it seems to be this time they don't have any dead to be listed or to be remembered anyway.​

So you don't need to worry about Chinese morale, they are pretty good if the social media accounts from ex-PLA officers/persons are of any indication.

As for face-saving, resort to a series of inconsistent and illogical rumors is the perfect example of a very embarrassing way of face-saving and India is at an epic level.

So all-in-all, don't worry about Chinese morale, worrying about Indian's one instead, especially considering the fact at the moment the entire Indians' face, morale and confidence is built-upon a series of inconsistent, illogical and some even outrightly ridiculous rumors, they can be gone and collapse very quickly if things went south.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What the Chinese say is true because PM Surrender Modi stated in his televised address to the nation that no Chinese soldier crossed in to India.

Pakistan fully backs China's right to defend it sovereignty against unprovoked and hegemonic invasion and violations of its sovereignty.

It is becoming very obvious that Chinese did not suffer any fatality. India on the other hand is hiding their true losses ...

 

[SuperStar20]

China has never disclosed casualities in official channel in the past to general public in a timely manner, that doesn't affect their morale much, since morale is the byproduct of past military history together with current military ongoing outcomes, whilst the outcomes play a larger part.

And it seems to be this time they don't have any dead to be listed or to be remembered anyway.​

So you don't need to worry about Chinese morale, they are pretty good if the social media accounts from ex-PLA officers/persons are of any indication.

As for face-saving, resort to a series of inconsistent and illogical rumors is the perfect example of a very embarrassing way of face-saving and India is at an epic level.

So all-in-all, don't worry about Chinese morale, worrying about Indian's one instead, especially considering the fact at the moment the entire Indians' face, morale and confidence is built-upon a series of inconsistent, illogical and some even outrightly ridiculous rumors, they can be gone and collapse very quickly if things went south.

Chinese people have no voice forget about looking for moral. Nobody gives damn about them. They are modern days slavery and concentration camp for CCP.

 

[52051]

Chinese people have no voice forget about looking for moral. Nobody gives damn about them. They are modern days slavery and concentration camp for CCP.

In contrast, Indians enjoy their stone-age freedom life very much.

 

[baconlover]

Chinese people have no voice forget about looking for moral. Nobody gives damn about them. They are modern days slavery and concentration camp for CCP.

ok sure

In contrast, Indians enjoy their stone-age freedom life very much.

oh no they're all english-speaking doing IT support, fancy programming.
They create all the software like how the Chinese factory slaves crank out things

 

[grey boy 2]

Chinese people have no voice forget about looking for moral. Nobody gives damn about them. They are modern days slavery and concentration camp for CCP.

Looks who's talking about modern days slavery LOL
Congratulation to the undisputed "Champion of Modern Slavery"=India

 

[baconlover]

Internalizing it means the dead also don't get recognized.

what "also " ?
How do ***YOU*** know they don't have ceremony/compensation/recognition ?????
You should be able to answer that because you flat on said "also". so please answer.

Does getting your freaking portrait copy/paste all over the media and have the mobs pounding their chest going crazy really cherish the memory of a soldier ?
Well Indians seem to think so, but that's Indian brain at work hehe. (smh)

As soldier - one knows what one signed up for. And that the well-being of the COUNTRY far far far outweighs their individual life/interest. - that's called honor and discipline. A country's honor > your honor.

This is just china saving face again like they did in Wuhan.

or perhaps more calculated than the old "saving face" trope like preventing mass panic , which at China's SCALE - can be utter pandemonium like...well what happened in India.

 

[Beast]

Chinese people have no voice forget about looking for moral. Nobody gives damn about them. They are modern days slavery and concentration camp for CCP.

Yes, India has high moral. The freedom to rape, killed, lied ,steal are part of Indian freedom and democracy.

Chinese are forced not to rape, plunder, murder and steal. They are forced not to do these evil from young. These evil acts are not part of the freedom in their package.

 

[tower9]

It seems like not only Chinese soldiers were better equipped with weapons but also better protective gear. Indian soldiers on the other had neither. Also I do think Chinese military has better training for hand to hand combat. Indian soldiers had no chance in this case. Even if India did get 1-2 casualties on Chinese side it doesn't matter. India got its a** handed to it.

China has always outnumbered and outclassed India both equipment and Number wise. India cannot match them period. Its better for India to maintain status quo and have aggressive policy.

India was probably thinking it would just be another stupid shoving match like in the WWE but the Chinese showed up with their death squad. Fucked up man.

 

[DrasticMeasure]

India was probably thinking it would just be another stupid shoving match like in the WWE but the Chinese showed up with their death squad. Fucked up man.

Seems like thats what happened. Its sad.