Indian surgical strikes: PAF strategy prevented India

[s6demon]

i think its ability and testicular fortitude that prevented those indian "surgical strikes"


its laughable to think indians think they have the ability to strike let along surgically.

 

[Kompromat]

PAF ready to thwart Indian designs: air chief




Sunday, March 28, 2010
Air force to get 14 more sophisticated F-16s

By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has made it emphatically clear that it is fully capable of responding to the so-called Indian ‘Cold Start Doctrine’ befittingly.

If the Indians opt to drop a few bombs close to the areas with the borders, the response would be even harsher and forthcoming in no time. The Indian doctrine is ridiculous. “Pakistan has put all the required preparations in place to meet any eventuality. The aggressor could not even think of what the reply would be from Pakistan. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has kept its assets for thwarting conventional threats from the force devoted to deal with the terrorists.”

The announcement came from Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman at the Air Headquarters here on Saturday while replying to queries of newsmen during his briefing pertaining to the ongoing air exercise, High Mark-2010.

The air chief, in his about two-hour-long formal and informal briefing, told the media that preparedness and maintaining potential to frustrate any aggression was the right of every country that wished to live with dignity and honour.

The air chief, who was in high spirits and replied a volley of questions about the external threats from air, said any surgical strike by India would not go unanswered as the reaction time for both the countries in an air action was so short that in peace times, such activities could not be checked in a definite manner.

The air chief, who took part in the exercise by flying a French-made Mirage plane, would be flying the multi-role most sophisticated US-made F-16 in a day or two while taking part in ‘operation’.

He told the media that the US had agreed to provide another 14 F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan. These block-52 planes would be apart from the other 18 planes of the same calibre that would start reaching Pakistan from July this year and supply of the batch would be completed in December next. The planes will be equipped with the video and voice recorder (VVR) system rarely provided by the US to other countries, which is a high-resolution cockpit system that places a record of the HUD video, head-down displays, pilot voice and digital data bus information on a TEAC recorder.

With this, the number of the F-16 planes, being received from the US till the end of the year, would reach 30, besides the upgrading of the existing planes, acquired in the 1980s. He said the PAF was capable of thwarting both the conventional and unconventional threats from the enemy. He said Pakistan’s missile system was in the best shape and “our all the systems are well tested.”

The air chief said the PAF was focusing on its preparedness and taking stock of its preparations according to the modern trends. The area of the ongoing exercise is covering the entire country, from Skardu in the north to the Arabian Sea in the south. It included joint cooperation, with an extensive participation from the Army and the Navy, which would further enhance the joint operations, integration and cooperation amongst the three services.

The High Mark-2010 is aimed at conducting an operation in the near-realistic tactical environment while integrating the new inductions and providing a role-oriented training to combat and support elements of the PAF. The exercise is designed to achieve stipulated objectives, with a special emphasis on exposing the PAF combat crew to stimulated air battles, based on contemporary concepts. The air chief said all the main operating bases and forward operating bases were participating in the exercise.

New inductions like the JF-17 Thunder aircraft, jointly manufactured by Pakistan and China, force multipliers such as Saab-2000 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft and air-to-air refueler aircraft are participating in the exercise for the first time. The exercise in question is the PAF’s biggest operational event, which is being conducted after five years.

The air chief said the ever-changing geo-political environment in the region demanded a change in the employment concepts and doctrine in the application of air power, with an emphasis on joint operations. The exercise High Mark-2010 would provide the PAF an opportunity to validate these concepts, which are vital for the overall defence of the motherland, he said.

Answering a question, Rao Qamar Suleman said Pakistan was cognisant of the Indian designs and war preparedness, as it was acquiring the weapon system from all over the world. The air chief said the PAF had developed its own drones and they were being manufactured in the Kamra facility.

Pakistan is not interested in buying the US drones, but it is keen to purchase sensors for its own drones. The US has not provided its drone technology to any country of the world, except Italy, where they are also operated by the US technicians.

The air chief parried a query about the flight base of the US drones, targeting the tribal areas, and said the Americans returned the control of Shahbaz and Pasni bases back in 2002. No PAF base is in the control of the US forces, he maintained.

He expressed his ignorance over the control of the Shamsi base and said it was neither being used by the PAF, nor the Pakistan Army. The base does not belong to the PAF. “I don’t know about the control of the Shamsi base,” he said while replying to a question about its control and its use by the Americans for the flight of drones.

The newsmen were also shown the most modern central security system in place, linked to all the facilities. It is controlled and monitored at a central base on a round-the-clock basis. The PAF has also acquired the US-made road scanners, which could easily detect any bypassing vehicle with weapons or ammunition. The system is working well and efficiently, as the security threat perception has increased for the PAF installations in the wake of use of air power against the militants in the areas adjoined to the border with Afghanistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=28030

14 More Block 52 coming !

 

[Bang Galore]

Main problem is not PakArmy or ISI. Real problem is USA who is using PakArmy/ISI against India.

Same was true with Khalistan movement whose leaders got help from USA,UK.

Wow ! A conspiracy theory to beat all conspiracy theories ! We have enough real enemies without having to go around the world trying to add to it.

Ok, but what is with you, Manish123 and USA?

Maybe a visa refusal.
(btw guys, just a dash of humour. Have already seen how touchy at least one of you gets.)

 

[Bang Galore]

PAF ready to thwart Indian designs: air chief

Sunday, March 28, 2010
Air force to get 14 more sophisticated F-16s

By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has made it emphatically clear that it is fully capable of responding to the so-called Indian ‘Cold Start Doctrine’ befittingly.

How could they possibly not make it emphatically clear? You just need to decide to whom? The domestic constituency or to the IAF?

If the Indians opt to drop a few bombs close to the areas with the borders, the response would be even harsher and forthcoming in no time. The Indian doctrine is ridiculous.

Yup ! All Indian doctrines are completely ridiculous. Only Pakistani doctrines meet the test of credibility. After all, Pakistan has proved time and time again that it is the sole repository of all intelligence.

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Pakistan has put all the required preparations in place to meet any eventuality.

Any eventuality? I thought there was just one about how Pakistan is going to thrash those ridiculous Indians in their pajamas .

The aggressor could not even think of what the reply would be from Pakistan.

Obviously not ! Indians can't think now, can they? After all the IAF's job description does not include planning or strategising , does it, nothing at all that involves any thinking.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has kept its assets for thwarting conventional threats from the force devoted to deal with the terrorists.”

India really needs to be scared. Such a large potent force ! What use a 100-150 or so Su30mki's against such overwhelming fire power?


I'm just a bit surprised however that the last time PAF was asked to try and stop the IAF which was in the Kargil war, they were worried about the IAF retaliating against the bases of the Pakistani aircraft. That was when IAF had just a couple of dozen or so Su30mki's in their inventory. Here's what a PAF officer had to say:

"There was no doubt in the minds of PAF Air Staff that the first cross-border attack (whether across LOC or the international border) would invite an immediate response from the IAF in the shape of a retaliatory strike against the home base of the intruding fighters, thus starting the first round. PAF’s intervention meant all-out war: this unmistakable conclusion was conveyed to the Prime Minister, Mr Nawaz Sharif by PAF’s Chief of Air Staff in no equivocal terms. "

PAF in Kargil : A PAF warrior speaks out Pak Tea House

Don't see much jingoism there, do you? Not much of "we are going to thrash them", is there?

It's one thing to be proud of your military, it another thing completely to belittle a trained, larger, better equipped force. It's even worse if you start believing in your own propaganda.

I have little doubt that the well trained officers of the PAF are aware of the capabilities and threats posed by the IAF. What surprises me is how many intelligent people here in this forum fall prey to their own propaganda.

 

[Kompromat]

How could they possibly not make it emphatically clear? You just need to decide to whom? The domestic constituency or to the IAF?

I think you are firing bullets in the dark .

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Yup ! All Indian doctrines are completely ridiculous. Only Pakistani doctrines meet the test of credibility. After all, Pakistan has proved time and time again that it is the sole repository of all intelligence..

PAF is a Defensive Force and its Policy is different to that of IAF's which holds an Aggressive Doctrine so what is the Fuss ?

Any eventuality? I thought there was just one about how Pakistan is going to thrash those ridiculous Indians in their pajamas .

"off topic/Troll"

Obviously not ! Indians can't think now, can they? After all the IAF's job description does not include planning or strategising , does it, nothing at all that involves any thinking.

Well its a smart way of describing it.

India really needs to be scared. Such a large potent force ! What use a 100-150 or so Su30mki's against such overwhelming fire power?

It has been proven over the years , whenever IAF did an advanture they got their As$es whipped in Pakistan's Skies tough always supirior in numbers and advance in technology.

I'm just a bit surprised however that the last time PAF was asked to try and stop the IAF which was in the Kargil war, they were worried about the IAF retaliating against the bases of the Pakistani aircraft. That was when IAF had just a couple of dozen or so Su30mki's in their inventory. Here's what a PAF officer had to say:

Excuse me mate:

"There was no doubt in the minds of PAF Air Staff that the first cross-border attack (whether across LOC or the international border) would invite an immediate response from the IAF in the shape of a retaliatory strike against the home base of the intruding fighters, thus starting the first round. PAF’s intervention meant all-out war: this unmistakable conclusion was conveyed to the Prime Minister, Mr Nawaz Sharif by PAF’s Chief of Air Staff in no equivocal terms. "

PAF in Kargil : A PAF warrior speaks out Pak Tea House[/QUOTE]

The Pilot you are quoting is Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail whom you have just copy pasted and i know him personally.

His picture is on my AVATAR and BTW i know more about this than you do.

PAF is always ready for an encounter , if We can Fight for someone else why can't we fight for ourselves ?

That is stupid what conclusion you have drawn out of AC Kaiser Tufail's Article .

The Reason not Engaging PAF in Kargil was to Prevent a Full scale war which could turn out to be a Nuclear war too.

Don't see much jingoism there, do you? Not much of "we are going to thrash them", is there?

It's one thing to be proud of your military, it another thing completely to belittle a trained, larger, better equipped force. It's even worse if you start believing in your own propaganda.

I have little doubt that the well trained officers of the PAF are aware of the capabilities and threats posed by the IAF. What surprises me is how many intelligent people here in this forum fall prey to their own propaganda.

This Part is also a sandwitch troll , does not worth replying.

Thanks

 

[ice_man]

The biggest problem for INDIA & PAKISTAN is:

India THINKS it CAN carry out surgical strikes & get away!

Pakistan thinks the enemy wouldn't dare to in the first place if it does we will retaliate!


the problem is india is over confident of its own lies & its own propaganda! the story has been told so many times by india that it has started believing its own propaganda!



india is still teething in terms of being a big power yet they are over confident & under estimate pakistan while we also our under estimating the enemy!! both sides are seriously ill informed of the others capabilities!


the truth of the matter is if india dares open the Pandora's box no one will be able to close it!!!!

india will start the war & both nations won't stop until both destroy each other & drag each other back into 1947!!!

 

[Arik]

U make it sound like its a walk in the park? I hope you haven't forgotten that Pakistan also has an Air force which is very capable with whatever gadgets it has!

Obviously it is not a walk in the park.India may end up losing a few jets ,but if it can destroy atleast 20 of the 45 terror camps it says are operational across the Loc it will be a major blow to the terror organisations.
In kargil India lost two jets and a helicopter ,but they kicked out the intruders .

 

[Spring Onion]

Obviously it is not a walk in the park.India may end up losing a few jets ,but if it can destroy atleast 20 of the 45 terror camps it says are operational across the Loc it will be a major blow to the terror organisations.
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Oh bhenssssssssssss . Bharatiya junta is more imaginative than bharatiya sarkar

 

[Arik]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100317/812/tnl-42-terror-camps-in-pakistan-antony.html

Oh bhenssssssssssss . Bharatiya junta is more imaginative than bharatiya sarkar

I thought u were a journalist.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100317/812/tnl-42-terror-camps-in-pakistan-antony.html

 

[gubbi]

PAF ready to thwart Indian designs: air chief

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has made it emphatically clear that it is fully capable of responding to the so-called Indian ‘Cold Start Doctrine’ befittingly.

What exactly is this 'cold start doctrine' that you all speak of?

If the Indians opt to drop a few bombs close to the areas with the borders, the response would be even harsher and forthcoming in no time. The Indian doctrine is ridiculous. “Pakistan has put all the required preparations in place to meet any eventuality. The aggressor could not even think of what the reply would be from Pakistan. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has kept its assets for thwarting conventional threats from the force devoted to deal with the terrorists.”

Really? And how many air assets can PAF bring to the table if and when
1. there would be 8 - 9 strike units thrusting into Pakistan along the IB in addition to a massive sea assault, all covered by IAF assets.
2. oh, remember, no one, not even the IA commanders would know where to strike, only the higher ups would know and such information would be given to strike corps commanders only a few hours before the strike.
3. With your given economic condition, CAPs are very difficult, let alone taking on an advanced airforce of an economically strong country.
4. IA has also developed/is developing contingency plans in case China decides to throw in the towel and join the games on Pakistan's behalf.

The air chief, who took part in the exercise by flying a French-made Mirage plane, would be flying the multi-role most sophisticated US-made F-16 in a day or two while taking part in ‘operation’.

I didnt know that Block-52 are the most advanced F-16s out there. He does know his aircraft now, does he not? Damn those sniveling Americans, having the gall to try to sell us block-60/70 F-16IN with AESA radars as the most advanced falcons!

He told the media that the US had agreed to provide another 14 F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan. These block-52 planes would be apart from the other 18 planes of the same calibre that would start reaching Pakistan from July this year and supply of the batch would be completed in December next. The planes will be equipped with the video and voice recorder (VVR) system rarely provided by the US to other countries, which is a high-resolution cockpit system that places a record of the HUD video, head-down displays, pilot voice and digital data bus information on a TEAC recorder.

And what exactly are its uses in an air-air combat, except for 'electronic paperwork' for record maintenance? Really a big deal?

“our all the systems are well tested.”

Oh yes! Excellent!

Answering a question, Rao Qamar Suleman said Pakistan was cognisant of the Indian designs and war preparedness, as it was acquiring the weapon system from all over the world. The air chief said the PAF had developed its own drones and they were being manufactured in the Kamra facility.
Pakistan is not interested in buying the US drones, but it is keen to purchase sensors for its own drones.

What exactly are those Indian designs, care to elaborate?
India got the dough, India will spend on toys. Clear message is - stop meddling or else we use our toys.
If you got own drones, why ask for US made drones? Like they would give you all that sophisticated tech!

He expressed his ignorance over the control of the Shamsi base and said it was neither being used by the PAF, nor the Pakistan Army. The base does not belong to the PAF. “I don’t know about the control of the Shamsi base,” he said while replying to a question about its control and its use by the Americans for the flight of drones.

What? He doesnt even know who is using his own country's military assets?
Ignorance? Should we be surprised or amused? And the media just lapped it up? No one pulled him up for that 'ignorance'?

14 More Block 52 coming !

Nice, just in case - target practice boys!

 

[Cynic Waheed]

Obviously it is not a walk in the park.India may end up losing a few jets ,but if it can destroy atleast 20 of the 45 terror camps it says are operational across the Loc it will be a major blow to the terror organisations.
In kargil India lost two jets and a helicopter ,but they kicked out the intruders .

In Kargil Pakistan Air force was not involved. Anyhow if Mighty India can do that then what is stopping it now? And while Indians have such 'HIGH LEVEL' Intelligence then I hope Indians also has effective intelligence on and takes out Naxalite and Moaists camps too. I think India shouldn't wait and get on with what they have to do. But I hope u have read the news lately where India claimed that there can be no surgical strikes on Pakistan. Try to goggle it and read it impartially!

But this is how I see it. What started favourably for India after 9/11, Invasion of US of Afghanistan, Opening up of embassies there, Friendly govet in Kabul. US$1.5 billion investment, contacts with Baloch leaders, getting them to destablize balochistan, funding terrorist for bombing of different cities, mosques, and scholl children in Pakistan, and then last card India played was Mumbai attack. But the resilience of Pakistani Nation, the sacrifices they put up facing these bombs, and our Pride, Our Pakistani Army. We together stood like a rock in front of these onslaughts. The world has seen this and wants to work with Pakistan. There is nothing left for India to do further other than got to full war with Pakistan. If forced upon us, we will have no other choice take on India. Therefore, the sane mind would advise to be friends and live peacefully.

Later.

 

[Cynic Waheed]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100317/812/tnl-42-terror-camps-in-pakistan-antony.html

I thought u were a journalist.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100317/812/tnl-42-terror-camps-in-pakistan-antony.html

I dunno abt Jana bein a Journalist or not but I am certain that you are an INDIAN! Why hide behind the German flag, are you ashamed of your true Identity. Or if you are from where your flag claims to be then are you forgetting where does ur troops reinforcements come from. Precisely Pakistan. You should be thankful for our support and not be a discriminatory figure. Without Pak ur troops will die miserably in Afghanistan!

The link you provided was a comment made by and INDIAN to an INDIAN press. I can provide you thousands of links claiming the opposite, i.e. India is supporting terrorists to destabilize Pakistan. But I take it that you are the informed one so Im not going to for now! U should check your attitude dude, Hating Pakistan is one thing. Claiming that our enemies will just run over us is quite another and I hope the Mods here will not keep up with such bullshit for longer!

Adios.

 

[nwmalik]

Obviously it is not a walk in the park.India may end up losing a few jets ,but if it can destroy atleast 20 of the 45 terror camps it says are operational across the Loc it will be a major blow to the terror organisations.
In kargil India lost two jets and a helicopter ,but they kicked out the intruders .

They did not dare to cross the LOC even during Kargil . When they did they paid the price.
But they are welcome anytime.

 

[Arik]

I dunno abt Jana bein a Journalist or not but I am certain that you are an INDIAN! Why hide behind the German flag, are you ashamed of your true Identity. Or if you are from where your flag claims to be then are you forgetting where does ur troops reinforcements come from. Precisely Pakistan. You should be thankful for our support and not be a discriminatory figure. Without Pak ur troops will die miserably in Afghanistan!

The link you provided was a comment made by and INDIAN to an INDIAN press. I can provide you thousands of links claiming the opposite, i.e. India is supporting terrorists to destabilize Pakistan. But I take it that you are the informed one so Im not going to for now! U should check your attitude dude, Hating Pakistan is one thing. Claiming that our enemies will just run over us is quite another and I hope the Mods here will not keep up with such bullshit for longer!

Adios.

I am not an Indian but have visited the country a lot of times.
India trying to destabalize Pakistan ia a theory that exists only in Pakistan .No foreign government has subscribed to the theory.Remember that it was the Pakistani government that allowed the taliban to govern the SWAT valley .only when they were asked to get out the bombings in cities started.

 

[Arik]

They did not dare to cross the LOC even during Kargil . When they did they paid the price.
But they are welcome anytime.

They did not cross because a kind human being named vajpayee asked them not to.otherwise the military was more than willing to cross.