Indian state of Tamil Nadu withdraws bill that could've entailed 12hr working shift over current 8hr ones, this bill was lobbied by Apple and Foxconn

[Sam6536]

Tamil Nadu withdraws bill that allows 12-hour shift in factories; Stalin says it is a 'bold move'

Addressing May Day celebrations at the May Day Park, the Chief Minister said the Factories (Amendment) Act 2023, which allowed flexible working hours for industries up to 12 a day, from 8 hours, has been withdrawn in the interest of workers.

www.firstpost.com

Good decision
industrializing quickly at expense of workers will be bad in the long run imo.

 

[Acharya Chanakya]

Tamil Nadu withdraws bill that allows 12-hour shift in factories; Stalin says it is a 'bold move'

Addressing May Day celebrations at the May Day Park, the Chief Minister said the Factories (Amendment) Act 2023, which allowed flexible working hours for industries up to 12 a day, from 8 hours, has been withdrawn in the interest of workers.

www.firstpost.com

Good decision
industrializing quickly at expense of workers will be bad in the long run imo.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Sam6536]

Can you elaborate?

Apple and Foxconn were lobbying for 12hr work shifts in Tamil Nadu like what China has. Currently TN has 8hr shifts.
The trade unions protested so the bill was withdrawn by state govt.
Recently Karnataka increased their working hours from 8 to 10 after lobbying by similar groups.
It's on the discretion of the state.

 

[Acharya Chanakya]

Apple and Foxconn were lobbying for 12hr work shifts in Tamil Nadu like what China has. Currently TN has 8hr shifts.
The trade unions protested so the bill was withdrawn by state govt.
Recently Karnataka increased their working hours from 8 to 10 after lobbying by similar groups.
It's on the discretion of the state.

It's a shame that tamil nadu withdrawed the 12 hour shift work law. In my opinion, it was very much needed to boost the production.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

See this bill as a population reduction method.

 

[Sam6536]

It's a shame that tamil nadu withdrawed the 12 hour shift work law. In my opinion, it was very much needed to boost the production.

Depends imo
There are both pros and cons but Chinese workers were exploited a lot so we need to learn something from that.
Higher productivity > working hours.
Also you need to consider worker union demands imo.

One more thing I'd like to add is that we aren't one monolith as in China, what i mean is that the population is very heterogeneous and we need to consider the needs and demands of the workers (socialism) even if it hurts productivity that's what being the worlds largest democracy having a lot of religions and cultures entails. India has always and in the future too follow a different growth curve compared to China, it's just that our geography, history, forms of govt and cultures are different.

 

[renhai]

Depends imo
There are both pros and cons but Chinese workers were exploited a lot so we need to learn something from that.
Higher productivity > working hours.
Also you need to consider worker union demands imo.

India does not lack workers who work 15 hours a day. A lot. But the problem is that they lack professional skills.

 

[Acharya Chanakya]

Depends imo
There are both pros and cons but Chinese workers were exploited a lot so we need to learn something from that.
Higher productivity > working hours.
Also you need to consider worker union demands imo.

One more thing I'd like to add is that we aren't one monolith as in China, what i mean is that the population is very heterogeneous and we need to consider the needs and demands of the workers (socialism) even if it hurts productivity that's what being the worlds largest democracy having a lot of religions and cultures entails. India has always and in the future too follow a different growth curve compared to China, it's just that our geography, history, forms of govt and cultures are different.

Truth is, Indian workers can't compete with Chinese not because of cultural reasons but because of the 5 decades of nehruvian socialism in India. Due to socialistic policies, Indians became lazy.

 

[Sam6536]

India does not lack workers who work 15 hours a day. A lot. But the problem is that they lack professional skills.

I don't deny that in informal sector we have many workers working in abysmal conditions for pennies. But in organized sector the govt and it's policies tries to make a balance between demands, working conditions and efficiency of the workers.

But the problem is that they lack professional skills.

we have quite a bit of professional workers with the required skill set, my hometown has SERUM institute which manufactured the Astra Zeneca vaccine in India and also a lot of big foreign and Indian IT companies. In the past 5yrs I've seen a lot of improvement both infrastructurally and socially.
Also for the unorganized and unprofessional section of population you can always train them and by trial and error you'll have a competent work force.

Truth is, Indian workers can't compete with Chinese not because of cultural reasons but because of the 5 decades of nehruvian socialism in India. Due to socialistic policies, Indians became lazy.

There are two sides of one coin that's what i think imo.
Capitalism with a flavour of socialism for our downtrodden is the way to go.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Much respect to CM Tamil Nadu, difficult and ballsy decision

 

[renhai]

I don't deny that in informal sector we have many workers working in abysmal conditions for pennies. But in organized sector the govt and it's policies tries to make a balance between demands, working conditions and efficiency of the workers.


we have quite a bit of professional workers with the required skill set, my hometown has SERUM institute which manufactured the Astra Zeneca vaccine in India and also a lot of big foreign and Indian IT companies. In the past 5yrs I've seen a lot of improvement both infrastructurally and socially.
Also for the unorganized and unprofessional section of population you can always train them and by trial and error you'll have a competent work force.


There are two sides of one coin that's what i think imo.
Capitalism with a flavour of socialism for our downtrodden is the way to go.

So how many technical schools have India built? You know. Technicians are more important to a country than speakers.

Do workers receive free technical training?

 

[Sam6536]

So how many technical schools have India built? You know. Technicians are more important to a country than speakers.

We have a lot but we need a lot more that's what I'll say. But India spends a lot of money on education too and will continue increasing it in the future that's what we do better than countries like Pakistan imo.
Also a lot of Indians work in foreign nations in IT fields or in specialized positions, i hope we can retain more of them in the future but geopolitically such Indians send huge renumerations and support India on the international stage by integrating with the host nation, so that's a plus imo.

India will have a slower growth spurt. India won't get the same opportunity as China did where all western countries shifted their factories to China for cheap manufacturing in the 90s. What we'll do get is a slice of the countries leaving China due to geopolitical factors. Our growth curve will be entirely different compared to the manufacturing boom that China witnessed.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I would rather do fewer 12 hour work days than more 8 hour work days.

 

[indushek]

We have a lot but we need a lot more that's what I'll say. But India spends a lot of money on education too and will continue increasing it in the future that's what we do better than countries like Pakistan imo.
Also a lot of Indians work in foreign nations in IT fields or in specialized positions, i hope we can retain more of them in the future but geopolitically such Indians send huge renumerations and support India on the international stage by integrating with the host nation, so that's a plus imo.

India will have a slower growth spurt. India won't get the same opportunity as China did where all western countries shifted their factories to China for cheap manufacturing in the 90s. What we'll do get is a slice of the countries leaving China due to geopolitical factors. Our growth curve will be entirely different compared to the manufacturing boom that China witnessed.

Skill development has for long been neglected, it's high time our local and Central govts focused on this. So much potential talent being wasted.

So how many technical schools have India built? You know. Technicians are more important to a country than speakers.

Do workers receive free technical training?

Sadly no Technical development has been very much neglected, very few technical development institutions have been created. IIT's produce top of the line talent, the middle and lower skill development has been painfully ignored.

 

[RealDeal]

It's a shame that tamil nadu withdrawed the 12 hour shift work law. In my opinion, it was very much needed to boost the production.

And yet you probably work 8 hours a day, take 30 mins long chai biskut breaks every hour at your sarkari job and watch IPL and KumKum bhagya during your "productive time". If you are so fond of these 12 hour shifts, leave your job, move to China/Japan and work 12 hour days at a factory, they need lots of workers there, you will have no problem.

Its one thing giving a person an option to work 4 hours extra (with overtime) and its totally another thing forcing someone to work 12 hours a day. GDP growth can phuck itself, this was a right decision.