Indian Special Forces

[Abingdonboy]

proposed induction of equipment

Cost of setting up one unit

Seen the newest pics of NSG? Got all of the above!


Anyway, plans are in motion to put these silly sketches drawn up by sensationalist journos, to shame:


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nsg+super+commando+2015&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nsg+super+commando+2015&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/135077-new-age-commandos-high-end-weapons-nsg.html

 

[bigzgvr4]

Seen the newest pics of NSG? Got all of the above!


Anyway, plans are in motion to put these silly sketches drawn up by sensationalist journos, to shame:


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nsg+super+commando+2015&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nsg+super+commando+2015&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/135077-new-age-commandos-high-end-weapons-nsg.html

ya i know thats why i posted these pics Black cats are modernized with the same equipment as other tier one response units of the world

their success rate is high in many operations they carry out all most all of them

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

WHy dont you not watch what i post for a change and be in a peacefull state of mind and you seriously have comprehension problem what part of dont qoute me now, never or ever again you did not get and plz dont metion me either now,ever or never

thank you come again _________________NOT

Black cats kill house helo reppeling or chopper reppeling

Bcoz you are spoiling the fcking thread with your bull$hit.

Do you mind visitng old pages in the same thread.

 

[Abingdonboy]

ya i know thats why i posted these pics Black cats are modernized with the same equipment as other tier one response units of the world

their success rate is high in many operations they carry out all most all of them

The NSG is currently on a 5 year plan (started in 2010/11) known as "FUTURE BLACK CAT COMMANDO" so the process will not be over for another 2-3 years. Many more upgrades are yet to come!

 

[bigzgvr4]

Bcoz you are spoiling the fcking thread with your bull$hit.

Do you mind visitng old pages in the same thread.

ya sure buddy @coldheartaviator

The NSG is currently on a 5 year plan (started in 2010/11) known as "FUTURE BLACK CAT COMMANDO" so the process will not be over for another 2-3 years. Many more upgrades are yet to come!

well the links you provided it said "SUPER BLACK CAT COMMANDO 2015"

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

ya sure buddy @coldheartaviator

Thank you very much and the second pic you posted is of Force 1 Mumbai Police not NSG which has been posted a 100 times.

 

[bigzgvr4]

Thank you very much.

no problem

from russian site

ladies black cats

i think mp-7 be better

 

[jiki]

Ok so i am back and the following question and answer session lasted for 4-5 days.(whenever i got a chance to ask him questions about the Army)

*Me-So you have been a part of Special Operations?How is it different to Special Forces as for me Special Ops are related to Special Forces?

*Spec Ops Operator--No thats not true.Ghatakas and CAT have also done Spec Ops.

*Me-CAT??What is that?

*Spec Ops Operator--Company Assault Team.A small bunch of soldiers who were to be trained as Para SF....as in a specialist in a 6 man squad but it didnt last long.

*Me-Wow...but why didnt it last long.I think it was a brilliant idea.

*Spec Ops Operator--Thats what we were wondering.

*Me-Okay..Comming back to Spec ops..What was the team like and what did you guys do..any behind the line ops?

*Spec Ops Operator--No..we never crossed the LOC but our task was to collect intel by infiltrating inside the group and carrying out our tasks.

*Me--What group are you talking about?

*Spec Ops Operator--I cant tell you that.

*Me-Cool..no problem.So you told me that you liked the gear western armies have for their Spec ops guys and i believe our operators are not given enough despite having a pretty good budget .I mean our Generals have money to buy golf carts but not blood clotting band aids.

*Spec Ops Operator--The thing is that things are slowly changing.A lot has changed in the last 5 years and i expect much more in the comming years.

*Me--Come on...We dont have proper night fighting abilities for a foot soldier.

*Spec Ops Operator--Are you talking about Spec ops or regulars?

*Me--I know SF has NVGs but i dont think adequate equipment is present in infantry battalions.Like for eg there are HHTI but no NVGs.

*Spec Ops Operator--No thats not true.We have NVGs and sights which combined with HHTI,LORES and TOUTI(i dont remember what he said so forgive me for that) gives us an advantage.

*Me--HHTI is Hand hekd Thermal Imager right?..But what the fck is Lores and touti(or whatever)

*Spec Ops Operator--They are long range camera kind of thing having day/night ability which we use for monitoring the LOC.Their range is 15kms and are present in most of the posts so that when there is an infiltration we have extra pair of eyes.

*Me-Nice..What kind of sights do you guys use?

*Spec Ops Operator--We have 3 sights in use..Red *** sights which do not use battery.Second is the quadrantal line sights.I dont know what they were called but they also dont use battery.Third one was what we called day/night sight which used battery.

*Me-But i havent seen regulars use any kind of sights except a few with INSAS.

*Spec Ops Operator--These are not for regulars but SF and Spec Ops only as of now due to low stock.Moreoever the problem is their battery life which is 2 hours bcoz of which many guys dont use it.

*Me-So you are telling me that you are satisfied with the stuff you have got?

*Spec Ops Operator--Absolutely and let me tell you in the comming years we are gonna be comparable to any SF unit in terms of equipments.Like for example when we go for Spec ops we are given the best equipments by the Army.Like in one operation we went we were given everything from NVGs to Drones.

*Me--WTF..My friend(abingdonboy) told me about this but i dint know it has become so common.

*Spec Ops Operator--We were given HHTI,NVGs,Dogs and drones for one particular operation in my career and the best part was the surprise package which happened to be an attack hopter(I dont knw why but he kept saying hopter again and again).

*Me--So what kind of NVGs did you use?

*Spec Ops Operator--Single tube and double tube worn without the helmet.But i would prefer HHTI and Day/Night sight over it anyday.

*Me--And what about the BPJ?

*Spec Ops Operator--We use 3 kinds of BPJs.The 1st one has 400gms plate.In this plate the BPJ is seperate and the Jacket is different.This is the one you would have seen mostly with Army SF.Second one has 4 kg plates with a rubber like outer core and the last type is the older type which has 8 kg plates.

Spec ops and SF use 400 gms one only.We spec ops guys wear 4 plates weighing 1.6 kgs and its pretty comfortable but the SF mostly wear 2 plates.

*Me--Yeah i know..they are the blue eyed boys of the IA.

*Spec Ops Operator--(Smiles)...yeah they are..They deserve it too.

*Me--Ya i know...What kind of helmets do you use?

*Spec Ops Operator--Patka is common but we use new helmets(Israeli type ones)

*Me-So you were talking about the Para SF..Can you please share something about them as i am their big fan.

*Spec Ops Operator--Yeah..They and Marcos are India's elite SF.

*Me-I know this..Talking of Marcos..have you ever worked with them?

*Spec Ops Operator-I have never seen them.

*Me--How would you compare them?

*Spec Ops Operator--I wont compare them but i know this for a fact that in CIJWS various teams take part including the PARA SF,MARCOS,GARUDA,ITBP etc and the Para SF have won most of the events and have stood first.

*Me--Can you share your sources please?

*Spec Ops Operator--No i cant..Just know that i am heading towards CIJWS next.

*Me-All the best...But why dont you join Para SF?

*Spec Ops Operator--I didnt get the chance as i was in RR when the opeinings came.Next time it comes i am going.

*Me-How does this opening system work?

*Spec Ops Operator--Interested canidates are tested in their Command and then only sent for further probation.

*Me--Its looks like you respect the SF a lot..since you told me that you didnt know about SF in your childhood then how did they earn respect in your eyes?

*Spec Ops Operator--It was this operator that we had solid intel that 3 terrorists including the area commander are present in the forests.We laid down the the cordon and ambush for 7 days but no result.As we were about to end this operation thinking that there is no one out there we saw the CO of the Para SF come and tell our commander that he has permission from Higher authorities to carry out this operation on their own without any support.

They laid ambush at strange positions(He was technically explaining but i was not getting it) and we felt like they are not gonna get them but in the next 12 hours they killed 3 terrorists with 0 casualties.

Their CO was straight out of a Hollywood Special Forces movie in his SUV(not a Gypsy and i am not naming the model here).He is the most bad *** officer i had ever seen.

*Me-Wow,thanks for sharing and what about that operation you said in which dogs and drones were used.

*Spec Ops Operator--We planned and practised for 7 days to take out a hideout in the forests.We(team of 12) were dropped in the snow by the hopters and when we threw our rucksacks it went 10 feet inside the snow.It was a very tough operation for us as well as the dogs.We had everything we wanted from NVGs to drones.The drones were hovering over our position and we had the choice of calling air strike when we wanted.

The commander decided to blow the hideout using attack hopters but it was of no use as it was well hidden inside the tunnel..."the attack hopters firing its machine gun over us and empty shells falling on us were awesome"(thats his line word to word)

So we moved in after 7 days of no meals and only chewing toffies as we couldnt afford to prepare MREs.As we moved in we saw trails which the drone had earlier confirmed as enough evidence of carrying out a special op..so we hit the tunnel with the RL and threw grenades and carried out an intervention while the snipers were covering us from far away.We killed 4 terrorists that day.

*Me--Woow...Thats cool..My respect to you and your friends in the Spec ops who are doing so much for the country.

*Spec Ops Operator--Its not for the country alone..We enjoy doing it.I always wanted to be different from the beginning and this is how i wanted my life to be.

*Me-Any other incident which you can pleease share?

*Spec Ops Operator--Hmm..okay last one.When we were on covert ops we got this info that Hizb-ul-Mujahiden were recruiting young college going kashmiris to carryout their propoganda campaing and these guys were teasing the sister of a BSF soldier from the same village.

We came to know about them and since we lived away from the Army no one knew about us.There was only one route where they used to tease her so we went on that route picked up these guys.Took them to the jungle and tied them to the trees.Then we thrashed them for the next 2 hours without saying a single word.

The result we got info out of them and these guys never went on that route again and hence the BSF soldiers sister was never teased again.(they didnt come to know that the Army had thrashed them)

*Me--These bastards should be thrashed like this only.

*Spec Ops Operator-The thing is that some are brainwashed and others do it for money.We knew of a house where 2 beautiful girls lived who used to go to the forests to give the terrorists food and were basically into prostitution and got money in return.

*Me-Thats really sad.

*Spec Ops Operator--And we are not authorised to even question them these days so we stick to what we are best at(covert ops)

*Me--So what about the good Kashmiris..do they support you or are they quite?

*Spec Ops Operator--I was once sitting behind a house in an ambush.It was 2 am and it was very cold.It was soo cold that i couldnt hold my gun properly.Suddenly we saw a old man and his daughter comming towards us with a hot bucket of water and tea.

We in the Army are not allowed to take anything from the civilians but we hardly had any choice so half of the team took tea(just incase the tea is poisoned).I was the among the ones who didnt take tea but i dipped my feet in the hot water...and it felt soo good that i felt like kissing the old man.

There are other incidents also where school children used to wave at us and people came to us for photographs.Not every one is against us there.

*Me--Hmmm..thanks for sharing soo much with me and i hope you get to wear the maroon beret soon.

OMG gr8 buddy gr8,,,,,,excellent work u jus made my day. Just saw it after came from ofc and biliv me all my boss's doses vanished away at the moment
u provided a lot of ammunition for dreaming and imagining so dat i can imagine it while working,sleeping ,eating and...most importantly while sh@#ing.............
Hats off to u dude really nice piece of info especially regarding BPJ, DRONES and Spl OPs
even well reputed jurno wud havn't been able to get these kindda info out and that thrashing incident is just mind blowing.

Here some of the guys remark u as a fanboy for ur "WOW" gesture then its from my side it's really a "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" "WOW" thing..i want to tell every one here dat we all r here gr8 gr8 fanboys and jingos of indian armed forces and of our motherland and proud to like this till the last breath of ours , may others are som internal agency funded agent but certainly we r not,...............JAI HIND

 

[Koovie]

no problem

ladies black cats

i think mp-7 be better

Interesting .... are these the NSG orders for the MP 5 series ????
@Abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR


BTW: The title is not appropriate: The MP 5 is still the most widely used SF SMG and the NSG has operators with Sig AR in every team to have some punch against armoured targets.

 

[Star Wars]

Thank you very much and the second pic you posted is of Force 1 Mumbai Police not NSG which has been posted a 100 times.

Relax..... why are you getting so worked up over some odd pictures

 

[bigzgvr4]

Interesting .... are these the NSG orders for the MP 5 series ????
@<u><a href="http://www.defence.pk/forums/member.php?u=28303" target="_blank">Abingdonboy</a></u> @<u><a href="http://www.defence.pk/forums/member.php?u=30442" target="_blank">COLDHEARTED AVIATOR</a></u>


BTW: The title is not appropriate: The MP 5 is still the most widely used SF SMG and the NSG has operators with Sig AR in every team to have some punch against armoured targets.

KOovie they should ditch the mp-5 in favour for mp-7 watch this video the penetration test of mp-7 vs mp-5 watch the whole video

 

[saumyasupratik]

wow DUDE CLearly you dont know In mumbai attack and parliment Attack Nag commandos were the ones that responded first to the incident

heres another pic of one

like Nag commandos aka Black cats....... Pakistan has a tier one Response unit too But its under armys command it is know as al-zarrar battalion

NSG is similar to the GSG9, GIGN, HRT, GOE, Alpha and EKO Cobra etc.None of them including the NSG come under the military or the MoD, but are Paramilitary/Gendarmerie and come under the home ministry/interior ministry or in the case of Alpha and HRT under the FSB and FBI respectively which are the internal intelligence agencies of Russia and USA.
Under most circumstances the countries use the above mentioned units when dealing with a terrorist situation on their home soil instead of military SF/CT units.For example Russia had MVD Spetsnaz and FSB Alpha and Vympel units deployed during Moscow Theatre Siege and Beslan School Siege not the Ground Forces GRU Spetsnaz.

Military CT units like the CAG, DEVGRU and SAS CRW come under their respective armed forces branches which is the similar case with Al-Zarrar Battalion of the PA.For the most part they are deployed outside of the country they belong to, but due to their versatility and training their CT role may overlap with other roles like Covert Operations, Hostage Rescue in Foreign Soil and Direct Action etc.

During Mumbai Attacks the first Responders were the Mumbai Police ATS after that the Navy MARCOS which was the only unit capable of taking the terrorists down and containing the situation when the NSG wasn't available.When the NSG arrived the MARCOS stepped down and provided support instead with snipers and perimeter defence of the Taj hotel.During the Parliament attack the attackers were killed by the CRPF retinue present there before the NSG could arrive.

 

[bigzgvr4]

NSG is similar to the GSG9, GIGN, HRT, GOE, Alpha and EKO Cobra etc.None of them including the NSG come under the military or the MoD, but are Paramilitary/Gendarmerie and come under the home ministry/interior ministry or in the case of Alpha and HRT under the FSB and FBI respectively which are the internal intelligence agencies of Russia and USA.
Under most circumstances the countries use the above mentioned units when dealing with a terrorist situation on their home soil instead of military SF/CT units.For example Russia had MVD Spetsnaz and FSB Alpha and Vympel units deployed during Moscow Theatre Siege and Beslan School Siege not the Ground Forces GRU Spetsnaz.

Military CT units like the CAG, DEVGRU and SAS CRW come under their respective armed forces branches which is the similar case with Al-Zarrar Battalion of the PA.For the most part they are deployed outside of the country they belong to, but due to their versatility and training their CT role may overlap with other roles like Covert Operations, Hostage Rescue in Foreign Soil and Direct Action etc.

I agree with only this part of what you posted and its was Black Cats and Nag Commandos that responded and Marcos came in after wards

heres to all the D BAGS that said their is no such thing as Nag commandos

@Trolls happy now i gave the link/source

 

[Abingdonboy]

Interesting .... are these the NSG orders for the MP 5 series ????
@Abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR


BTW: The title is not appropriate: The MP 5 is still the most widely used SF SMG and the NSG has operators with Sig AR in every team to have some punch against armoured targets.

The figures are for all MP-5 orders made by the MHA in 2010-11 AFAIK. And no this is not all for NSG- this is for some ~20,000 units but the NSG is only ~8,000 strong and doesn't need a new batch of MP5s every year. Some of these are for NSG- the more advanced variants with pictanny rails and RDS. Most are for CAPFs like CISF and CRPF.


As far as the Mp-7 goes- the NSG has moulded itself around the MP-5 and every operator is incredibly skilled with this weapon, when an extra punch is needed they use the SIG-552/3 with 2-3 operators carrying this weapon in every fire team along with 1 breached who carries an automatic shotgun.

In the future the NSG will likely go for the MSMC as it is effectively the Indian MP-7.

I agree with only this part of what you posted and its was Black Cats and Nag Commandos that responded and Marcos came in after wards

heres to all the D BAGS that said their is no such thing as Nag commandos

@Trolls happy now i gave the link/source

Not true- the MARCOs were the first specialised unit on the scene in Mumbai but there numbers never exceeded 15 operators. The NSG arrived later via an IAF transport from Delhi. MARCOs are stationed in Mumbai as the city is home to one of the largest IN bases around.


Nowhere in the image does the term NAG appear. And now youare sayingnthere are black cats and NAG- are you high? This image is purely relating to CRPF COBRAs. Seriously- give it a rest now. You've had your laugh.

 

[bigzgvr4]

The figures are for all MP-5 orders made by the MHA in 2010-11 AFAIK. And no this is not all for NSG- this is for some ~20,000 units but the NSG is only ~8,000 strong and doesn't need a new batch of MP5s every year. Some of these are for NSG- the more advanced variants with pictanny rails and RDS. Most are for CAPFs like CISF and CRPF.


As far as the Mp-7 goes- the NSG has moulded itself around the MP-5 and every operator is incredibly skilled with this weapon, when an extra punch is needed they use the SIG-552/3 with 2-3 operators carrying this weapon in every fire team along with 1 breached who carries an automatic shotgun.

In the future the NSG will likely go for the MSMC as it is effectively the Indian MP-7.


Not true- the MARCOs were the first specialised unit on the scene in Mumbai but there numbers never exceeded 15 operators. The NSG arrived later via an IAF transport from Delhi. MARCOs are stationed in Mumbai as the city is home to one of the largest IN bases around.


Nowhere in the image does the term NAG appear. And now youare sayingnthere are black cats and NAG- are you high? This image is purely relating to CRPF COBRAs. Seriously- give it a rest now. You've had your laugh.

what does that means in hindi let me guess wait for it wait for it its "NAG"

and the mumbai attack was spread out their is now way that 15 marcos nuetrilezed all the terrorists may be they were their but it was the black cats and nag commandos or as you call it in UNGRAZI Cobra commandos