Indian Secularism is Colour Blind

[jarves]

Ranjeet thanks for posting this article indeed dainik Bhaskar is the only newspaper which is trutstable and neutral.

 

[HariPrasad]

Yes,

Indian secularism has never find anything wrong in Religious clenching of Kashmiri Hindu Pundits and their slaughter and rape. Our parliament has never discussed this issue nor our media has covered kashmiri pundits who livd in refugee camps for years. It is not seen from the spectacles of secularism. Our secular never cried for the 60 hindus who were burnt alive in trains.

 

[ranjeet]

When did I belittle Kataria's or anyone's death?

You cannot go to someone fighting poverty and call him a hypocrite because he is not fighting against AIDS. People have advocacy choices.

The point is Akqhlak's death matters and the reasons behind his killing matter. Argue against this without dragging some other issue.

I wasn't pointing towards you but the self proclaimed flag bearer of Secularism in main stream media, intellectuals and political parties.

 

[raktaka]

please,debate without tagging ''Jesus'' name unnecessary here and there...I haven't seen him mentioning any hindu gods in that post..This is not a platform to potray your bigotry and Christian hatred..

I see no reason why his belief must be respected when he can mock Hindu beliefs.

Expect more of the same if this continues.

 

[Hindustani78]

Yes,

Indian secularism has never find anything wrong in Religious clenching of Kashmiri Hindu Pundits and their slaughter and rape. Our parliament has never discussed this issue nor our media has covered kashmiri pundits who livd in refugee camps for years. It is not seen from the spectacles of secularism. Our secular never cried for the 60 hindus who were burnt alive in trains.

In 1947 , there were official reports that Kashmiri females were raped irrespective of thier religion.

Government is doing arrangements for the re settlement of the Kashmiri Pandits. There has been numerous debates on Kashmiri Pandits in the Parliament.

 

[Hindustani78]

Dr. Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, chiefly responsible for drafting of The Constitution of India and a champion of human rights was a great Vedic scholar and historian.

The Constitution of India embodies the modern concept of rule of law with the establishment of a judicial system, which should be able to work impartially and free from all influences.

Its section on Fundamental Rights elucidates this in some detail. These include, inter alia:

• Article 14 guarantees equality before law and equal protection of laws;
• Article 15 prevents discrimination on ground of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth and provides for affirmative action for socially and educationally backward classes of citizens and for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes;
• Article 16 provides for equality of opportunity in matters of public employment;
• Article 19 guarantees certain freedoms, including those of speech and expression;
• Article 21 guarantees that no person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except according to the procedure established by law.
• Article 22 provides protection against arrest and detention;
• Article 25 guarantees the right to freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion;
• Article 29 protects the cultural and educational rights of minorities;
• Article 32 guarantees the right to move the Supreme Court of India to ensure the enforcement of fundamental rights conferred on citizens under Part III of the Constitution.

 

[IndoCarib]

 

[HariPrasad]

In 1947 , there were official reports that Kashmiri females were raped irrespective of thier religion.

Government is doing arrangements for the re settlement of the Kashmiri Pandits. There has been numerous debates on Kashmiri Pandits in the Parliament.

hindu wome were the first target. In Bangladesh in 1971, Numbers of Hindus killed were more than half of total people killed in BD inspite of Hindus being in Minority.

Parliament has never discussed the killing and religious clenching of Hindus. manmohan , Vajpayee and Modi government has tried to settle pundits in Kashmir but no one is successful. Local people oppose that.

 

[Infinity]

Sugar??? gelatin is a fribillar protein so you can get from any mammals and aves.

The white color of sugar is after cleaning it with activated Charcoal................Bones of dead animals are use to extract Gelatin................

After we all have been dipped it in holy water and sanctified by jesus.

Does that work for you ?

This shows that you have nothing to substantial contribution on this debate...........a typical stand by right wingers...........

What these libtards and presstitutes are doing is strengthening modi..the more these morons try to malign him, the more sympathy and popularity he will gain.

Is not RSS too doing the same thing......................

 

[raktaka]

The white color of sugar is after cleaning it with activated Charcoal................Bones of dead animals are use to extract Gelatin................

Activated carbon can come from ANYTHING ranging from nutshells, coconut husk, peat, wood, coir, lignite, coal, and petroleum pitch

But this shows the perversity in your thinking. No doubt effects of your christian heritage

This shows that you have nothing to substantial contribution on this debate...........a typical stand by right wingers...........

You have certainly got that right. I don't wish to contribute except highlight and shame bigots for their bigotry.

 

[Infinity]

Activated carbon can come from ANYTHING ranging from nutshells, coconut husk, peat, wood, coir, lignite, coal, and petroleum pitch

But this shows the perversity in your thinking. No doubt effects of your christian heritage




You have certainly got that right. I don't wish to contribute except highlight and shame bigots for their bigotry.

Sorry that's not activated Charcoal but Bone Char................This i have learned in my Science classes in Hindu India..................any mood to change this in coming years...............

I see no reason why his belief must be respected when he can mock Hindu beliefs.

Expect more of the same if this continues.

I never mocked any religious beliefs...............Thats not my cup of tea............

 

[raktaka]

Sorry that's not activated Charcoal but Bone Char................This i have learned in my Science classes in Hindu India..................any mood to change this in coming years...............

LOL.... you are truly a pervert.

In the past 'bone char' was used to remove colour from raw cane sugar in the refining process. That is no longer used today. Modern technology has largely replaced bone char decolourisation.

Any kind of activated charcoal can be used to bleach sugar. .......... you learn a new thing everyday in Hindu India. Lucky you.

We OTOH have to continue to bear the burden of your bigotry and ignorance. Unlucky us.

I never mocked any religious beliefs...............Thats not my cup of tea............

You do not get to play judge in your own trial.

 

[Infinity]

LOL.... you are truly a pervert.

In the past 'bone char' was used to remove colour from raw cane sugar in the refining process. That is no longer used today. Modern technology has largely replaced bone char decolourisation.

Any kind of activated charcoal can be used to bleach sugar. .......... you learn a new thing everyday in Hindu India. Lucky you.

We OTOH have to continue to bear the burden of your bigotry and ignorance. Unlucky us.



You do not get to play judge in your own trial.

Read this....................
ubmitted by Madhavendu das SSM (Vrindavan – IN)
Introduction: By now it is common knowledge that for the production of sugar some animal bone is used for the filtration or discoloration of sugar. However the use of sugar is so widely prevalent that many have been given to understand that there is no additive in the form of animal product and also some how given the impression that the final product sugar does not directly come in contact with the animal matter and hence no cause for concern. We were asked to carry out tests to check if sugar contains any animal residue in it . When checking the testing procedures we were shocked to find that no such full proof tests exists and the normal testing procedure which does test for calcium cannot distinguish between calcium in bone and calcium of cane. Hence a detailed study of the process was decided to be studied and we present the brief of our study.

Brief Report: During the study it has been seen that almost all the sugar mills are using Bone Meal, that is bone carbon of animals mostly Cow for the cane sugar process to make the sugar white. It is so widely prevalent that we were shocked to find out that huge quantities of Cow bone is being imported from Pakistan mostly and some quantity from Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It surprising that the though vegetable carbon can be used for this purpose, all mills almost uniformly use animal bones/cow bones for the purpose as this is cheaper. There may be a few sugar mills which may not be using bone carbon, but it is very rare and we are yet to trace such a mill. We are still continuing this study to find any kind of tests and further study the mills process and recommend better process. At the moment our concentration is on finding mills that do not use bone carbon for their process.

Preview:
1. The question given to us was does sugar contain animal product and to test for the same in any standard laboratory.
2. We contacted M/s. Anatech of Bangalore which earlier conducted a very intensified study and testing in establishing the contamination of so called pure ghee in the market with several adulterants, varying from vegetable oil, hydrogenated fat , chicken and cow fat, in several leading and established brands. The results were shocking to say the least and we conducted further tests and study and the results repeated . We also studied several other products incidentally and concluded that in a country where adulteration is a fine science, and Government agencies look the other way and do not even implement adulteration act passed by the Supreme court over two years back almost anything is possible . For example it is not un-common to mix over 30% red mud in chilly powder and a further 10 to 15% rice husk powder and banned dye to camouflage the same. In at least a couple mills this was being done so openly even when the government food inspector visited. Of course no action was taken.
3. With reference to sugar we just assumed that such a test existed and tried to test the sugar for the same. To our surprise no such tests existed. One way of testing was to spectrogram of a known sugar which does not use animal product in any way and compare the other sugar spectrogram with this . But we could not get any sugar in the market so far which can be conclusively said not to use animal bone.
4. In the absence of such procedures it was decided to study the mills process of sugar making to get some idea of the animal bone being used.

The Study: We are enclosing herewith the detailed report by M/sAnatech which gives some results of sugar tests and the brief process of sugar making.

1. The problem we knew from the beginning is that of definition. This animal bone is not added to the sugar and hence qualifies for a definition of being vegetarian. But the sugar syrup is passed through the bone carbon for removing the dark coloration of the cane sugar. The debate commonly has been does the residue animal bone get into the sugar crystals and the answer from the sugar mills is no. But several independent opinion is that some overlay would get onto the sugar crystals though they may not get into the sugar itself.
2. It is strange that in a country that worships cow, we have got into the debate of weather cow bone residue gets left over in the sugar , rather than why cow bone would be used at all Or for that matter why animal bone or products need to be used at all. (, specially when an alternative is so easily available , albeit at a higher cost.)
3. The dark coloration is unique to cane sugar and this dark color can be removed by passing through active carbon filter. The active carbon filter can be vegetable carbon like some wood and coconut shell and also bone carbon(specifically cow as this is cheaper and available in larger quantity. )
4. Incidentally in places like USA the sugar is made from Beet and beet sugar process does not need the discoloration process and there fore animal or any other carbon is not used for discoloration. This is also one of the reason that such testing procedure has not evolved as this is not needed in USA or Europe.
4. About 20 years ago we had been to Sri Lanka for some projects and we got involved with the Coconut promotion council in promoting the use of coconut products. One of the products under discussion was active carbon derived from coconut shell. Sri Lanka had huge quantities of coconut shell and they were making active carbon from them for use in several industries including sugar mills. Even at that time they had reported poor response from the sugar mills in India as they were reluctant to substitute the bone product in use due to the cost factor. Incidentally Sri Lankan Coconut carbon is very high in active carbon content and is considered best in the world for quality and also processing and promoting this product.
5. We further decided to engage some persons in literature survey to get details of the sugar process.

The Process in the Mills:
1. The study conducted gave us very shocking results.
2. Animal Bone mostly cow bone is used in the discoloration process in almost all the mills. This is basically due to the cost factor. Now with the sugar price control by the government the sugar mills are running under loss and there is very little chance of any mill trying to use vegetable carbon. We estimate that the price of sugar would go up by Rs. 2.00 per Kg if vegetable carbon is used instead of animal carbon.
3. There may be exception to this . It is understood that some years back a Birla group M/s. Rajashree Sugar in Madhya Pradesh was manufacturing sugar without the use of Animal bone char, to ensure pure vegetarian sugar. They need to be contacted to check if the same process is being followed up even now.
4. The other exception is that very small sugar plants cannot have the economies of scale of using bone char and these also use vegetable char. We are unable to collect data on this so far and still pursuing the same.
5. Cow bones are imported from Pakistan mostly and other neighboring countries as they are cheaper . The bones are normally cleaned of all extra flesh and blood before converting into active carbon for use in the industry. However the cleaning is not conducted properly and there is left over of bone marrow which may get into the product as overlay. As the crystallization process does not allow the animal matter to get into and inside the product. However the chances of animal residue getting into the process is very strong , though it may get removed as residue later on during the crystallisation process. There is no doubt of the contact of the sugar with the animal product.

6. M/s. Anatech was completely shocked at the revelation of the study. He said he was surprised to know that such large quantity of bones were being imported from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. . With economy being the main motive cleanliness is the last thought in their mind. It is just plain rotten stuff being imported as the bones are not completely cleaned and dried prior to import or during the conversion to carbon.

5. M/s. Anatech states that the use of animal bone in the sugar process as filter is dangerous in the long run as any virus that may be in the bones would not be killed by the sugar process and would have every chance of getting into the sugar products. This is a danger of all animal products. He says that the use of such old bones, rotting and badly handled would have great chance of any deadly virus or its strain entering the final product. He says this is a silent ticking bomb, waiting to explode at any time.

( Incidentally we knew of two of our business acquaintances who use to deal in Bones of Cow. One was Mr. Mushtaque of Bangalore who use to boil cow bones to extract fat for supply to manufactures to make soap used in industries. The other was an NRI from Singapore who started M/s. Vijay bone meals at Chennai , to supply bones to various industries including sugar mills. We know from their rendition of their industry process, that hygiene and completion of the process, was the last thing in their mind. They used to tell us that the bones are so difficult to clean that most of the times the bones are not well cleaned for the next process and bone marrow, sinews etc would get left behind. It took us some time but we finally by the Lords mercy persuaded both of them to discontinue this industry and look for a better alternative to earn money)

Test Procedure:

We are still looking for any test procedure to conclusively test for any animal residue. This is difficult but we are pursuing and contacting other research and labs round the world through M/s. Anatech.

What is the alternative:
1. Use jaggery instead.
2. We understand that small mills may not use bone sugar. We need to identify such mills and under certification use such sugar.
3. During our childhood for festivals for making bhoga a sugar by name ‘Bhoosa-sugar ‘ used to be available. This was direct cyrstalised sugar from the village jaggery making process. We are unable to trace such product now in the market. With the supply chain changing the direct contact of some jaggery makers with the small trader has been lost.
4. We know that in some countries abroad due to health reasons they use sugar which has not passed through the filtration process and is brown ununiform crystals called brown sugar. However such similar sugars available in India are actually caramel that is white sugar burnt partially for use in cakes and cookies . We should be careful of such so called vegetarian sugars in the market.
5. We should contact such mills run by the Birla group and find out if they have a animal bone free process.
6. Beet sugar invariable does not use animal bone and can be totally vegetarian.
7. We should try to enforce the government to label all sugar as either “animal-bone-used” or “animal-bone- not-used” in the interest of the public.

Dandavats | Testing of cane sugar for animal product residue

 

[raktaka]

Read this....................
ubmitted by Madhavendu das SSM (Vrindavan – IN)
Introduction: By now it is common knowledge that for the production of sugar some animal bone is used for the filtration or discoloration of sugar. However the use of sugar is so widely prevalent that many have been given to understand that there is no additive in the form of animal product and also some how given the impression that the final product sugar does not directly come in contact with the animal matter and hence no cause for concern. We were asked to carry out tests to check if sugar contains any animal residue in it . When checking the testing procedures we were shocked to find that no such full proof tests exists and the normal testing procedure which does test for calcium cannot distinguish between calcium in bone and calcium of cane. Hence a detailed study of the process was decided to be studied and we present the brief of our study.

Brief Report: During the study it has been seen that almost all the sugar mills are using Bone Meal, that is bone carbon of animals mostly Cow for the cane sugar process to make the sugar white. It is so widely prevalent that we were shocked to find out that huge quantities of Cow bone is being imported from Pakistan mostly and some quantity from Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It surprising that the though vegetable carbon can be used for this purpose, all mills almost uniformly use animal bones/cow bones for the purpose as this is cheaper. There may be a few sugar mills which may not be using bone carbon, but it is very rare and we are yet to trace such a mill. We are still continuing this study to find any kind of tests and further study the mills process and recommend better process. At the moment our concentration is on finding mills that do not use bone carbon for their process.

Preview:
1. The question given to us was does sugar contain animal product and to test for the same in any standard laboratory.
2. We contacted M/s. Anatech of Bangalore which earlier conducted a very intensified study and testing in establishing the contamination of so called pure ghee in the market with several adulterants, varying from vegetable oil, hydrogenated fat , chicken and cow fat, in several leading and established brands. The results were shocking to say the least and we conducted further tests and study and the results repeated . We also studied several other products incidentally and concluded that in a country where adulteration is a fine science, and Government agencies look the other way and do not even implement adulteration act passed by the Supreme court over two years back almost anything is possible . For example it is not un-common to mix over 30% red mud in chilly powder and a further 10 to 15% rice husk powder and banned dye to camouflage the same. In at least a couple mills this was being done so openly even when the government food inspector visited. Of course no action was taken.
3. With reference to sugar we just assumed that such a test existed and tried to test the sugar for the same. To our surprise no such tests existed. One way of testing was to spectrogram of a known sugar which does not use animal product in any way and compare the other sugar spectrogram with this . But we could not get any sugar in the market so far which can be conclusively said not to use animal bone.
4. In the absence of such procedures it was decided to study the mills process of sugar making to get some idea of the animal bone being used.

The Study: We are enclosing herewith the detailed report by M/sAnatech which gives some results of sugar tests and the brief process of sugar making.

1. The problem we knew from the beginning is that of definition. This animal bone is not added to the sugar and hence qualifies for a definition of being vegetarian. But the sugar syrup is passed through the bone carbon for removing the dark coloration of the cane sugar. The debate commonly has been does the residue animal bone get into the sugar crystals and the answer from the sugar mills is no. But several independent opinion is that some overlay would get onto the sugar crystals though they may not get into the sugar itself.
2. It is strange that in a country that worships cow, we have got into the debate of weather cow bone residue gets left over in the sugar , rather than why cow bone would be used at all Or for that matter why animal bone or products need to be used at all. (, specially when an alternative is so easily available , albeit at a higher cost.)
3. The dark coloration is unique to cane sugar and this dark color can be removed by passing through active carbon filter. The active carbon filter can be vegetable carbon like some wood and coconut shell and also bone carbon(specifically cow as this is cheaper and available in larger quantity. )
4. Incidentally in places like USA the sugar is made from Beet and beet sugar process does not need the discoloration process and there fore animal or any other carbon is not used for discoloration. This is also one of the reason that such testing procedure has not evolved as this is not needed in USA or Europe.
4. About 20 years ago we had been to Sri Lanka for some projects and we got involved with the Coconut promotion council in promoting the use of coconut products. One of the products under discussion was active carbon derived from coconut shell. Sri Lanka had huge quantities of coconut shell and they were making active carbon from them for use in several industries including sugar mills. Even at that time they had reported poor response from the sugar mills in India as they were reluctant to substitute the bone product in use due to the cost factor. Incidentally Sri Lankan Coconut carbon is very high in active carbon content and is considered best in the world for quality and also processing and promoting this product.
5. We further decided to engage some persons in literature survey to get details of the sugar process.

The Process in the Mills:
1. The study conducted gave us very shocking results.
2. Animal Bone mostly cow bone is used in the discoloration process in almost all the mills. This is basically due to the cost factor. Now with the sugar price control by the government the sugar mills are running under loss and there is very little chance of any mill trying to use vegetable carbon. We estimate that the price of sugar would go up by Rs. 2.00 per Kg if vegetable carbon is used instead of animal carbon.
3. There may be exception to this . It is understood that some years back a Birla group M/s. Rajashree Sugar in Madhya Pradesh was manufacturing sugar without the use of Animal bone char, to ensure pure vegetarian sugar. They need to be contacted to check if the same process is being followed up even now.
4. The other exception is that very small sugar plants cannot have the economies of scale of using bone char and these also use vegetable char. We are unable to collect data on this so far and still pursuing the same.
5. Cow bones are imported from Pakistan mostly and other neighboring countries as they are cheaper . The bones are normally cleaned of all extra flesh and blood before converting into active carbon for use in the industry. However the cleaning is not conducted properly and there is left over of bone marrow which may get into the product as overlay. As the crystallization process does not allow the animal matter to get into and inside the product. However the chances of animal residue getting into the process is very strong , though it may get removed as residue later on during the crystallisation process. There is no doubt of the contact of the sugar with the animal product.

6. M/s. Anatech was completely shocked at the revelation of the study. He said he was surprised to know that such large quantity of bones were being imported from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. . With economy being the main motive cleanliness is the last thought in their mind. It is just plain rotten stuff being imported as the bones are not completely cleaned and dried prior to import or during the conversion to carbon.

5. M/s. Anatech states that the use of animal bone in the sugar process as filter is dangerous in the long run as any virus that may be in the bones would not be killed by the sugar process and would have every chance of getting into the sugar products. This is a danger of all animal products. He says that the use of such old bones, rotting and badly handled would have great chance of any deadly virus or its strain entering the final product. He says this is a silent ticking bomb, waiting to explode at any time.

( Incidentally we knew of two of our business acquaintances who use to deal in Bones of Cow. One was Mr. Mushtaque of Bangalore who use to boil cow bones to extract fat for supply to manufactures to make soap used in industries. The other was an NRI from Singapore who started M/s. Vijay bone meals at Chennai , to supply bones to various industries including sugar mills. We know from their rendition of their industry process, that hygiene and completion of the process, was the last thing in their mind. They used to tell us that the bones are so difficult to clean that most of the times the bones are not well cleaned for the next process and bone marrow, sinews etc would get left behind. It took us some time but we finally by the Lords mercy persuaded both of them to discontinue this industry and look for a better alternative to earn money)

Test Procedure:

We are still looking for any test procedure to conclusively test for any animal residue. This is difficult but we are pursuing and contacting other research and labs round the world through M/s. Anatech.

What is the alternative:
1. Use jaggery instead.
2. We understand that small mills may not use bone sugar. We need to identify such mills and under certification use such sugar.
3. During our childhood for festivals for making bhoga a sugar by name ‘Bhoosa-sugar ‘ used to be available. This was direct cyrstalised sugar from the village jaggery making process. We are unable to trace such product now in the market. With the supply chain changing the direct contact of some jaggery makers with the small trader has been lost.
4. We know that in some countries abroad due to health reasons they use sugar which has not passed through the filtration process and is brown ununiform crystals called brown sugar. However such similar sugars available in India are actually caramel that is white sugar burnt partially for use in cakes and cookies . We should be careful of such so called vegetarian sugars in the market.
5. We should contact such mills run by the Birla group and find out if they have a animal bone free process.
6. Beet sugar invariable does not use animal bone and can be totally vegetarian.
7. We should try to enforce the government to label all sugar as either “animal-bone-used” or “animal-bone- not-used” in the interest of the public.

Dandavats | Testing of cane sugar for animal product residue

Burnt bone-free 'halal sugar' heads to Middle East

Muslims in the Middle East will soon be able to sweeten their coffee and cakes with halal sugar guaranteed to be free from burnt animal bone powder.

Keen to tap a booming market dominated by meat slaughtered in accordance with Islamic rituals, one of India's largest sugar sellers is bagging up halal-branded sweetener made without any powdered cow bones used by some sugar refiners.

"How can sugar be halal you might ask? It is because there is no use of animal bones in the refining or bleaching or colouring process while other companies use it," Rajesh Vangani, the head of Warana Sugar's Gulf operations, said.

"The idea just came when a client from Iraq contacted us six months ago asking about halal sugar."

Some refineries filter sugar through burnt and powdered cattle bones, known as bone char, in a process that also puts some vegans off refined sugar products.

Authorities in India, a country of over a 100 million Muslims, have now issued Warana with a two year-certificate that its sugar conforms to Islamic dietary guidelines.

The Middle East arm of India's second-largest sugar company hopes the cow bone free brand will help it bag a 25-percent share of the United Arab Emirates market by the end of 2012.

It has imported 45,000 tonnes of white sugar over the past four months into the UAE and is waiting for government approval to market it across the country.

Warana is launching the product in the UAE but plans to sweeten the rest of the Middle East over the next year.

"Our next big target is Saudi Arabia and Oman," Vangani said. "We hope to be in that market before next Ramadan."

Food consumption usually rises during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan as families gather to break their fast from dawn to sunset over festive meals.